SOUTHERN family Forest of Dean (General)

by Victor Southern @, Kent, Saturday, March 05, 2005, 18:55 (5752 days ago)

I am descended from a Bertha Jenkins born about 1870, daughter of Enos Jenkins, a collier, born East Dean. She married a Tom or Thomas Southern, a collier but later a railway servant, who was born in English Bicknor about 1876. It is the ancestors of Tom that I am trying to verify but I welcome any information about Bertha's family - she had brothers Enos and Isaac and a sister Rhoda. There was also an 11 year old Arthur Jenkins on the 1901 census who was a visitor to the same FoD household [the Birts] as Bertha and her husband Tom Southern. Can one establish a relationship between Bertha and Arthur?

Southern / Jenkins Forest of Dean

by slowhands @, Saturday, March 05, 2005, 22:06 (5752 days ago) @ Victor Southern

1881 Bicknor St, Eng. Bicknor
Florence Harriet Southern abt 1877 Colwell, Hereford, England Daughter English Bicknor
Gertrude Southern abt 1879 Colwell, Hereford, England Daughter English Bicknor
Mary Ann Southern abt 1851 Abergavenny, Monmouth, Wales Wife English Bicknor
Thomas Southern abt 1846 Colwell, Hereford, England Head English Bicknor
Tom Southern abt 1874 Colwell, Hereford, England Son English Bicknor
William Albert Southern abt 1869 Colwell, Hereford, England Son English Bicknor

In 1871 Reddinhorn ( near Symonds Yat)

Mary M Southern 21 Lanarth, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Southern 25 Goodrich, Herefordshire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
William A Southern 1 Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales Son West Dean Gloucestershire


Here is the Jenkins connection :-

1901 Ruspidge

Alvin G Birt 6 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Emily Birt 44 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Harriett Birt 17 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Mildred E Birt 11 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Stanley H Birt 9 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Arthur Jenkins 11 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Visitor East Dean Gloucestershire
Bertha Southern 32 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Visitor East Dean Gloucestershire
Tom Southern 26 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Visitor East Dean Gloucestershire


In 1891 Neighbours in Ruspidge
Jenkins, Alfred 6 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Jenkins, Arthur 1 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Jenkins, Eliza 49 Glos, Blakeney Hill Head Widow East Dean Gloucestershire
Jenkins, Elizath 16 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire


Birt, Emily 34 East Dean, Gloucestershire Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Birt, Emily E 4 East Dean, Gloucestershire Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Birt, Harriet 7 East Dean, Gloucestershire Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Birt, Isaac 38 East Dean, Gloucestershire Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Birt, Mildred E 1 Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Birt, Minnie E 9 East Dean, Gloucestershire Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire


In 1881 Ruspidge
Bertha Jenkins abt 1869 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Eliza Jenkins abt 1837 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Elizabeth Jenkins abt 1875 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Enos Jenkins abt 1838 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Enos Jenkins abt 1865 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Isaac Jenkins abt 1866 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Rhoda Jenkins abt 1871 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean

In 1871 Ruspidge

Bertha Jenkins 2 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Jenkins 32 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Enos Jenkins 33 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Enos Jenkins 6 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Isaac Jenkins 5 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Rhoda Jenkins 9 months East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire

1851 East Dean
JENKINS Henry 47 Iron Miner East Dean
Mary Ann 39 East Dean
Job 15 Iron Miner East Dean
Enos 13 East Dean
Selina 7 East Dean
Julia 1 East Dean


So Arthur is the "youngest" a son of Eliza and Enos Jenkins, i.e. brother to Bertha !

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by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, November 11, 2007, 23:29 (4771 days ago) @ slowhands

1851
Henry Jenkins abt 1804 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Jenkins abt 1812 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Enos Jenkins abt 1838 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Job Jenkins abt 1836 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Julia Jenkins abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Selina Jenkins abt 1844 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire

1841

Henry Jenkins abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Mary Anne Jenkins abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Amos Jenkins abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Job Jenkins abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire


Year 1837
Month Jul
Day 2
Parents Surname JENKINS
Child Forename(s) Enos
Father's Forename(s) Henry
Mother's Forename(s) Mary Ann
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Ruspidge
Occupation Miner
Officiating Minister H. Berkin
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P109 IN 1/1
Page No 169
Parish/Chapel Drybrook

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by tuffers64, Cinderford, Wednesday, June 22, 2016, 12:41 (1625 days ago) @ slowhands

I have been contacted by a friend called Carol Dawson from Yorkshire who asked me to some research on her distant relative Enos Jenkins born around 1837 and have made this link. Carol has told me that Enos and his wife Eliza(beth) moved to Yorkshire where he worked in the local coal mines and later died and was buried somewhere up t'north. She will be very pleased by this link

SOUTHERN / JENKINS Forest of Dean

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Wednesday, June 22, 2016, 17:24 (1625 days ago) @ tuffers64

Glad to hear that tuffers.

From this site's PRs we can find;

Record_ID: 37303
Entry_Number: 284
Year: 1859
Month: Feb
Day: 13
Grooms_Surname: JENKINS
Grooms_Forenames: Enos
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: Ruspidge
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Jenkins
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Brides_Surname: BRYANT
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age: 18
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Redden Lane
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Bryant
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Shoemaker
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of George Meredith
Witness_2: Selina Jenkins
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: T. G. Smythies
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 142
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex_Groom: J525
Soundex_Bride: B653

Record_ID: 74470
Entry_Number: 89
Year: 1860
Month: Feb
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: JENKINS
Child_Forenames: Mary Ann
Fathers_Forenames: Enos
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruspidge
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: T G Smythies
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 12
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex: J525

I cannot find a burial for Mary Anne, so wonder why she's not at home with Enos on the 1871 Census in Slowhands' earlier post ?.
GlosBMD suggests this was their only child.

But sadly, perhaps linked to the birth;

Record_ID: 4948
Entry_Number: 353
Year: 1860
Month: Mar
Day: 27
Surname: JENKINS
Forenames: Elizabeth
Residence: Ruspidge
Age_at_death: 19 years
Officiating_Minister: J.G.Smythies
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 in 1/12
Page_No: 45
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex: J525


Record_ID: 4391
Entry_Number: 356
Year: 1864
Month: Apl
Day: 23
Grooms_Surname: JENKINS
Grooms_Forenames: Enos
Grooms_Age: 25
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Cinderford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Jenkins
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Mason
Brides_Surname: WAIT
Brides_Forenames: Eliza
Brides_Age: 24
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Woodside
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Wait
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Mason
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Mark
Witness_1: William Hall
Witness_2: Selina Jenkins
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry G. Nicholls
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 178
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex_Groom: J525
Soundex_Bride: W300

Using this site's Advanced Search suggests these MAY be their children's Baptisms, although needs further proof as not rare names;

Year Parents_Surname Child_Forenames Fathers_Forenames Mothers_Forenames Mothers_Surname Residence Occupation Parish_Chapel
Details
1864 JENKINS Enos Enos Eliza Cinderford Collier Cinderford St John
Details
1866 JENKINS Isaac Enos Eliza Cinderford Tump Collier Cinderford St John
Details
1869 JENKINS Bertha Enos Eliza Cinderford Collier Cinderford St John
Details
1871 JENKINS Rhoda Enos Eliza Ruspidge Collier Cinderford St John
Details
1872 JENKINS Damaris Enos Eliza Ruspidge Collier Cinderford St John
Details
1874 JENKINS Elizabeth Enos Eliza Lightmoore Collier Cinderford St John

Simiarly, searching GlosBMD for births to Jenkins/Wait(e) gives possibly too many hits for one family, need to tie in with Census' etc.
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/BirthSearch.aspx


As posted earlier, here are Enos' Census returns while in Ruspidge nr Cinderford;

1861 Ruspidge, St Johns Parish, East Dean, Glos.
Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country
Henry Jenkins Head 57 1804 Male Coal miner West Dean Gloucestershire England
Mary A Jenkins Wife 48 1813 Female Littledean Gloucestershire England
Salina Jenkins Daughter 17 1844 Female Scholar East Dean Gloucestershire England
Julia Jenkins Daughter 11 1850 Female Scholar East Dean Gloucestershire England
Dahians Jenkins Daughter 9 1852 Female Scholar East Dean Gloucestershire England
Enos Jenkins Lodger 23 1838 Male Lodger Widow Coalminer East Dean Gloucestershire England
Mary A Jenkins Daughter 1 1860 Female East Dean Gloucestershire England
Stephen Stephens Lodger 28 1833 Male Coal miner Hay Herefordshire England


1871 Ruspidge, St Johns, East Dean, Glos.
Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country
Enos Jenkins Head 33 1838 Male Coal miner East Dean Gloucestershire England
Eliza Jenkins Wife 32 1839 Female East Dean Gloucestershire England
Enos Jenkins Son 6 1865 Male Scholar East Dean Gloucestershire England
Isaac Jenkins Son 5 1866 Male Scholar East Dean Gloucestershire England
Bertha Jenkins Daughter 2 1869 Female East Dean Gloucestershire England
Rhoda Jenkins Daughter 9 Months 1870 Female East Dean Gloucestershire England


1881 Ruspidge Road, St Johns, East Dean, Glos
Given Name Surname Relationship to Head Marital Status Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Occupation Birth City Birth County Birth Country
Enos Jenkins Head Married 43 1838 Male Coal Miner Ruspidge Gloucestershire England
Eliza Jenkins Wife Married 44 1837 Female Ruspidge Gloucestershire England
Enos Jenkins Son 16 1865 Male Coal Miner Ruspidge Gloucestershire England
Isaac Jenkins Son 15 1866 Male Coal Miner Ruspidge Gloucestershire England
Bertha Jenkins Daughter 12 1869 Female Scholar Ruspidge Gloucestershire England
Rhoda Jenkins Daughter 10 1871 Female Scholar Ruspidge Gloucestershire England
Elizabeth Jenkins Daughter 6 1875 Female Scholar Ruspidge

SOUTHERN / JENKINS Forest of Dean

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Wednesday, June 22, 2016, 17:59 (1625 days ago) @ Jefff

Continued from previous post;


After 1881 I'm unable to find Enos and Eliza in later Census', presumably because they're now in Yorkshire as suggested by your post, tuffers ?.

I can easily find their son's Enos and Isaac in 1891, both married miners and still in Ruspidge. By 1901 young Enos is still in Ruspidge, but Isaac & family are in Featherstone, and in 1911 are in nearby Hemsworth, both Yorkshire mining towns.
However no sign of their father Enos in Yorkshire or anywhere else.
??


Could this be him, still in Ruspidge ? Enos is quite a popular name in the area, but this seems a reasonable fit ?

Record_ID: 56139
Entry_Number: 1501
Year: 1890
Month: Feb
Day: 9
Surname: JENKINS
Forenames: Enos
Residence: Ruspidge Cinderford
Age_at_death: 57 y[ea]rs
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Lynes
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/13
Page_No: 188
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex: J525


Now there are several ! Eliza Jenkins in the Forest, but is this ours ?
(Altho I cannot find her in the 1891 Census !)

Record_ID: 6162
Entry_Number: 747
Year: 1901
Month: Feb
Day: 10
Surname: JENKINS
Forenames: Eliza
Residence: Ruspidge Cinderford
Age_at_death: 60 years
Officiating_Minister: A. C. Denman Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/14
Page_No: 95
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex: J525

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by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Wednesday, June 22, 2016, 20:04 (1625 days ago) @ Jefff

This might explain Mary Ann’s absence in 1871,

GR 1871 Census, Ruspidge

Two doors away from Enos JENKINS

Mary Ann JENKINS, Head, Wid, 58, Needle woman, b. Glos. Cinderford : Cripple
Julia, Daur, Un, 21, Glos. East Dean
Damaris?, Daur, Un, 19. Glos, East Dean
Mary Ann, Granddaur, 11, Glos, East Dean
Thomas COLLINS, Boarder, Un, 21, Coal Miner, Bristol

From the 2007 post Enos' mother was a Mary Ann.

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by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Wednesday, June 22, 2016, 20:43 (1625 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin

Thanks Mike, nice to see it wasn't all bad news for Enos, as I was beginning to fear when I started my post.

Re Enos' mother being widowed by 1871;

Record_ID: 5334
Entry_Number: 739
Year: 1867
Month: Jun
Day: 23
Surname: JENKINS
Forenames: Henry
Residence: Ruspidge
Age_at_death: 64 years
Officiating_Minister: J.G.Smythies
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 in 1/12
Page_No: 93
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex: J525


Looks like yet another example of the coal mine supporting but then prematurely destroying a family group.


Record_ID: 55863
Entry_Number: 1226
Year: 1886
Month: May
Day: 30
Surname: JENKINS
Forenames: Mary Ann
Residence: Ruspidge Cinderford
Age_at_death: 74 y[ea]rs
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Lynes
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/13
Page_No: 154
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex: J525

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by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Wednesday, June 22, 2016, 22:39 (1625 days ago) @ Jefff

Looks like this Mary Ann Jenkins (c1860) was the one who married the Edmund Tingle in one of your previous posts.

http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=46750

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