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I realise from previous posts that I am a bit late in the day with this one.

However this couple were my 2g-grandparents via Mary Ann TRIGG (b 24th November 1849, m John HARRINGTON 29th August 1880 in Oldham). Their first child, Harriet Lucy HARRINGTON (b 20th June 1881 in Oldham) was my paternal grandmother. I have full details of this line plus details of Mary Ann TRIGG's elder sister Lucy TRIGG who married John CLALFORD or CLELFORD in 1870. Both Mary Ann and Lucy left the Forest and moved to the industrial north and have connections in Halifax and Oldham. I have also researched the descendants of John and Ann's other children and would welcome contact from anyone else who has researched in this area.

Dave Greenwood

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I don't know why you say you are late in the day. I have Mary Ann Trigg 1849's father John Trigg 1817 in my Family Tree 1st cousin 4 times removed, so we will be related. He was the son of George Trigg 1796 & Lucy Marfell. I have the marriage certificate for John Trigg 1817 & Ann Matthews 1817, daughter of William Matthews 1792 & Esther Dubberley 1789, also the birth certificate for Mary Ann & Lucy Trigg, which I would be happy to email you if you wish, just click on the envelope icon next to my name and this will enable you to email me. I imagine that as you have the exact date of birth for Mary Ann Trigg that you already have hers.

I have Mary Ann Trigg as married to James Reynolds in 1868, with 5 children between 1871 & 1880. This could be wrong, or it could be that her marriage to John Harrington was a second marriage. Details of the 1868 marriage and the 1881 Census are shown below. You will notice that the witnesses are Thomas & Elizabeth Meredith. There are a number of associations between this Trigg family and the Marfell's and Meredith's - indeed Mary Ann Trigg's grandmother Lucy Marfell had a sister Mary Marfell who married Benjamin Trigg and their daughter Elizabeth Trigg married a Thomas Meredith.

Year: 1868
Month: Oct
Day: 5
Grooms_Surname: REYNOLDS
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: 25
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: East Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Reynolds
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Woodman
Brides_Surname: TRIGG
Brides_Forenames: Mary Ann
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: East Dean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Trigg
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Deceased
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks; she signs
Witness_1: Thomas Meredith
Witness_2: Ann Meredith
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Tho[ma]s Gosselin Smythies
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 17
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

1881 Census
Dwelling:
Census Place: (Westbury On Severn) East Dean, Gloucester, England
Source: FHL Film 1341609 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2523 Folio 112 Page 13
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
James REYNOLDS M 38 M Flaxley, Gloucester, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Coal Miner
Mary Ann REYNOLDS M 32 F Eastdean
Rel: Wife
George E. REYNOLDS U 10 M Eastdean
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Benjamin J. REYNOLDS U 8 M Eastdean
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
John E. REYNOLDS U 7 M Eastdean
Rel: Son
Rhoda P. REYNOLDS U 5 F Eastdean
Rel: Daur
Arthur S. REYNOLDS U 6 m M Eastdean
Rel: Son

The fact that I have little information regarding John Trigg & Ann's family could be explained by their moving to the industrial north.

The only other of John Trigg & Ann's children I have further details of is for Timothy Trigg 1842 who married my 5th cousin twice removed Mary Meek 1854.

Timothy applied for Gale - Prosper Colliery on Harrow Hill, which was granted 9.6.1890. I have some detailed information of the Gale in his hands, until
3 August 1894 when the Colliery forfeit.

1881 Census East Dean
Timothy Trigg 38 Coal Proprietor & Dlr East Dean
Mary 37 East Dean
Kitty May 10 months

1891 Census East Dean RG12/2004/160
Timothy Trigg 48 Coal Miner East Dean
Mary 37 East Dean
Kitty 10 East Dean
Hilda 9 East Dean
Eva 7 East Dean
Mildred 6 East Dean
Archibald 4 East Dean
Martin 2 East Dean
Ethel 3 months East Dean

In 1901 Lodging at Portbury Somerset

1901 Census
George Jenkins abt 1862 St Georges Dr Easton in Gordano, Head
Elizabeth Jenkins abt 1864 Portbury, Wife
Agnes Jenkins abt 1894 Portbury, Daughter
Florence Jenkins abt 1892 Portbury Daughter
George Jenkins abt 1890 Portbury, Son
Sarah Jenkins abt 1900 Portbury, Daughter
Winifred Jenkins abt 1898 Portbury, Daughter
Archicabald Trigg abt 1887 LeaBailey Boarder
Timothy Trigg abt 1843 East Dean Boarder
Alfred Wilce abt 1885 East Dean, Boarder

Jim Ashton

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I see that Timothy and Lucy Trigg were both baptised 28 Aug 1842. Is there any other evidence to suggest that they were twins?
As Mary Ann, Elizabeth and John (Marfell Trigg) were subsequently baptised on 8 Jul 1855 then I suspect that they are not twins. John Marfell's birth seems to have been registered in Q3 1855 which fits the baptism date.
I am related via the same roots as Jim and as usual he has extended my knowledge of another branch of the extended family!

-Colin

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Colin

I have the birth certificate for Lucy, she was born on 24 Feb 1840. She is not a twin of Timothy.

John Trigg & Ann were quite fond of multiple baptisms, perhaps they had a deal on price :

Lucy & Timothy 28 Aug 1842
Sylvia 1 Dec 1844
George 31 Dec 1848
Mary Ann (born 24 Nov 1849), Elizabeth, John Marfell & Emily Jane 8 Jul 1855

Following the original posting I have found the marriage between Lucy Trigg and John Clalford in 1870, Lucy death in 1902 Gloucester & John in 1912 Oldham.

I can only find the 1881 Census, and that reveals that John Clalford may have been married before, a daughter Ada predates his marriage to Lucy, I thought the age might be wrong, but she is employed :

1881 Census
Dwelling: 101 Warrick St
Census Place: Oldham, Lancashire, England
Source: FHL Film 1341974 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4073 Folio 16 Page 26
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John CLALFORD M 39 M Monckton Combe, Somerset, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Storekeeper Iron Works
Lucy CLALFORD M 40 F Lea Bailey, Gloucester, England
Rel: Wife
Thomas J. CLALFORD 13 M Westonby On Green, Gloucester, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Piecer In Cotton Mill
Ada CLALFORD U 18 F Drybrook, Gloucester, England
Rel: Dau
Occ: Fustian Weaver
Elizabeth CLALFORD 9 F Gloucester, England
Rel: Dau

I have emailed "dagreenwood" and hoping we can assist each other.

Jim Ashton

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Hi there, bit of a newbie and very confused.
I have traced a Mary Marfell Meredith 1842-1901 married Thomas Stephens. They had daughter Rhesa, who married Oliver Albert Watkins.
Mary Marfell Meredith parents were Thomas Meredith 1821-1959 & Elizabeth Trigg 1819-1903. Their children were Lucy 1849, Samuel 1845-1914, Martha 1844, Thomas 1861 and Mary.
Elizabeth Trigg parents were Benjamin Trigg 1789-1865 & Mary Marfell 1795-1840. Elizabeth siblings were Sarah Ann 1831, John 1830 abd Absolam 1827.

Already been very kindly directed to various links but its just confusing me more. Does anybody have any info regarding Benjamin and Mary's parents? Also the Absolam connection is puzzling.
Thanks very much

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In case you haven't looked under RESOURCES, in the top heading - here you will find

Gloucestershire Marriage Licences Allegations & Marriage Bonds

Search for TRIGG with soundex on - sometimes the surname is spelt TRIGGE

If they married by Licence etc - much more information i.e. age, occupation is available.
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Absolom TRIGGE married Mary POWELL at English Bicknor - 7 December 1807

witnesses: John TRIGGE? and mark of Jemima TRIGGE

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Searching the Gloucestershire Genelogical Database - Absolom and his wife where non-conformists living in East Dean and he was a Farmer - the baptism of their children is also on this site, and his baptism at Lea - 7 Jun 1789 at Lea, Gloucestershire, parents: Benjamin and Priscilla.

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There is quite a list of the TRIGG's being non-conformists....

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If you Google

Men in Armour for Gloucestershire 1608

which is on the website,

Coaley.net

Search for TRIGG/TRIGGE and this shows a few men - listed with their approx age, and height - etc.

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There is a Public Members Tree on Ancestry -

Absalom & Mary - had a daughter Mary - christened at Mitcheldean - 20 November 1814 (the couple seem to disappear)

However, they give a marriage at Abenhall, 11 Jun 1836 to Job HALE

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Ancestry

Gloucestershire, England, Land Tax Records - 1713-1833

(a number of TRIGGs) just search for surname as christian names shortened i.e. BN for Benjamin - or even Mrs Trigg etc etc) a couple of TRIGGE

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Name: Apl TRIGG (Absalom - shortened)

Year: 1825

Residence Year: 1825

Residence Place: Lea, Gloucestershire, England

Hundred: St Briavels

Owner: Thos LEWIS

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Name: Abs TRIGG

Residence Year: 1826

Residence Place: Lea, Gloucestershire, England

Hundred: St Briavels

Owner: Thos Lewis

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Name: Absm. TRIGG

Residence Year: 1830

Residence Place: Gloucestershire, England

Hundred: St Briavels

Owner: Rd.Seudamore

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Name: Absm TRIGG

Residence Year: 1831

Residence Place: Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire

Hundred: St Briavels

Owner: Rd. Sendamore (think it's Scudmore)

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Name: Absolm. TRIGG

Residence Year: 1832

Residence Place: Gloucestershire, England

Hundred: St Briavels

Owner: Richd Seudamore

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renting House and Land

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Uk Poll Books & Electoral Register 1833

TRIGG Absalom - Lea Brook, Freehold house and land, near Drybrook

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If you join

Family Search (you just have to register) - this website - now gives family trees - so searching for Abaslom TRIGG - born 1789

it lists his family tree and all the children of him and Mary POWELL (links to her non-conformist baptism)

children

Ann - 1808
Eliza - 1810
Bia - 1813
Mary - 1813
Elizabeth - 1819
Hannah - 1821
George - 1824 - 1825
George Powell TRIGG - 1827

(and then links each person)

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Looking at Ancestry - George Powell TRIGG ended up in American

He's on the 1880 United Census, born abt 1826, England

and Newspapers Obituary etc et

(I don't belong to Worldwide Ancestry)

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Thanks a lot

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You can see the actual 1880 census on Family Search

TRIGG

George P - aged 54 Produce Merchant
Mary N - wife - 50 - born New Jersey, United Stated
Benjamin N - son - 24 - ditto
George P - aged 23 - ditto
Jane N - daughter - 21

etc etc

Family Search - also has his death

George Powell Trigg

20 March 1909

Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States,

aged 83, married, white, born 1826 England

burial date - 23 Mar 1909, Greenwood Cemetery

father's name: Absoleum

Mother's name: Mary Powell

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???

Not sure, if Absalom TRIGG went off to the States

as

there is also a burial at New York Municial Deaths (on Family Search)

of Marie F ROE, (Widow) aged 81 on the 22 March 1911 c1830

her parents name given as : Absolum TRIGG birthplace, England, and his wife Mary POWELL

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Thanks another avenue to explore. Much appreciated all the help

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There are a couple of candidates for Benjamin's parents as the Parish Records have two births around the approximate date.
1) Benjamin Trigg b 1787 Mitcheldean to Richard Trigg and Elizabeth Jenkins (married 1778 Weston-under-Penyard)

2) Benjamin Trigg b 1791 Mitcheldean to Benjamin Trigg and Priscilla Welsh (married 1779 Newland)

For what it's worth I have the line you are investigating under 1) above, but you may see from my previous post in this thread - I was looking at this branch a long time ago and cannot at the moment see any other relevant indicators.

Regards
-Colin

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Thanks a lot

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The Family Search website has greatly improved.

Can see the original Certificate of Naturalization - for George Powell TRIGG - 5 May 1877

says be was born 13 June 1827 in Gloucestershire.

and also

Superior Court, New York County - 15 June 1857 (date of Naturalization)

For George P TRIGG - 43 Dominick Street, N.Y.C.

and occupation of witness: Richard R ROE - who seems to have married George's sister.

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Ancestry - can't open

New York City, Complete Marriage Index 1600s - 1800s

Richard R ROE
Spouse: Maria T TRIGG

However, by Googling

Index to Marriages and Deaths in the New York Herald: 1835-1855

https://books.google.co.uk

24 June 1852

George P TRIGG - Marian L NEWHOUSE - New York City 24 June 1852

and

15 March 1849

Maria T TRIGG -
Spouse: Richard R ROE - again New York City

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Googling - can't see to find this as yet
.... family search

New York Passenger Lists 1820-1891

Mary Powell. 1791, children (9) . Ann Trigg 1808, Eliza Trigg 1810, Bia Trigg ..... George Powell Trigg

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Again thank you so much for the valuable info. I think am going to spend weekend just researching all this info. So glad I came accross this friendly website.
Best regards
Taffia

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Dave

Further to my earlier posting, also email freom yourself advising that Ada Trigg was an illegitimate daughter of Lucy Trigg, before her marriage to John Clalford. For continuity of the thread, I need to update my earlier posting.

I have been re-checking the marriage between "a" Mary Ann Trigg and James Reynolds in 1868, which I previously had attributed to Mary Ann Trigg daughter of John Trigg & Ann Matthews. I had been fooled by the Meredith Witnesses who had associations with this family. I have noted that the marriage certificate you sent me of the marriage between Mary Ann Trigg & John Harrington that Mary Ann is shown as spinster, also the witnesses include Emily Trigg, which is probably her sister.

The final piece of evidence that I show below is the 1871 Census entry for John Trigg, which shows he is clearly not deceased as is the John Trigg father at the 1868 wedding between Mary Ann Trigg & James Reynolds. Also on the 1871 Census is Ada Trigg, illegitimate daughter of Lucy :

1841 Census Bailey Hill
John Trigg 23 Coal Miner
Ann 20
Lucy 1

1851 Census
TRIGG John 32 Collier East Dean
Ann 33 Ruardean
Lucy 11 Scholar East Dean
Timothy 8 Scholar East Dean
Silvy 6 East Dean
George 4 East Dean
Mary Ann 1 East Dean

1861 Census East Dean RG9 1754 205
John Trigg 43 Colliery Bailiff East Dean
Anne 44 East Dean
Timothy 19 Collier East Dean
George 14 Collier East Dean
Marjorie 10 East Dean
Elizabeth 8 East Dean
John 6 East Dean
Emily 2 East Dean

1871 Census East Dean
John Trigg Wdr abt 1820 Head Ruardean
Mary A Trigg abt 1850 Daughter Ruardean
John Marfell Trigg abt 1856 Son Ruardean
Emily Jane Trigg abt 1860 Daughter Ruardean
Ada Anna Trigg abt 1863 Granddaughter Ruardean

Apologies for getting it wrong.

Jim Ashton

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Agreed. But note the "Marjorie" in the 1861 Census is Mary Ann. I have sent you a PDF by email.

Dave

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I have found the other John TRIGG who had a daughter Mary Ann who married James REYNOLDS. The trail is:

John TRIGG (1828) = Phoebe SCIER (or SIER) (1821) Westbury on Severn 1848 Dec 11 713. They are in the 1851 Census (HO107-1959-254-27) with daughter May (sic) A TRIGG (1849) living at Green Bottom, East Dean, with John shown as Iron Miner. They are next door (same page) to Phoebe's parents John (1777) and Margaret (1781) SIER (SEN in the index but clearly SIER on the original).

They are at the same address in 1861 (RG09-1756-33-7) and 1871 (RG10-2601-24-7). In 1861 John SIER had died and they are all in the same household with Margaret SIER as Head and John TRIGG (Iron Miner) as Son-in-law, with Phoebe and children Mary (1849), George (1852), Hester (1855) and Margaret (1860). By 1871 John TRIGG had died (probably Westbury on Severn 1862 Dec 6A 154) because Phoebe is now shown as Widow and only Esther and Margaret are at home. The next entry on the next page in the 1871 Census (RG10-2601-24-8) shows James REYNOLDS (1843), Mary Ann REYNOLDS (1849) and George Edwin REYNOLDS (1871). Their marriage was in 1868 (Westbury on Severn 1868 Dec 6A 420) where for some reason Mary Ann is indexed as TREGG.

Dave

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Hi there Dave, I am descended from John Trigg and Phoebe Sier.
Their daughter Esther Eliza Trigg married George Reed
and their daughter Phoebe Ann married a Francis John Vowles (my Maiden name)
their eldest son George was my grandfather and we all carry the middle name Reid (misspelt) to commemorate Phoebe Ann who died weeks after giving birth to their daughter Winifred Vowles.
So I guess John and Phoebe are my great-great-great-grandparents...
For some unknown reason , the Reed side of the family had nothing to do with the children of that marriage even after Francis John was killed in Flanders in 1917, leaving tham orphaned.
The children including my grandfather George were raised by his Vowles aunts in and around Backwell, Somerset.
Phoebe Ann and Francis John's marriage took place in Cardiff where all the children were born. I have only just discovered this side of the family , (yesterday!)due to a miss transciption of Vowles into Powles on the 1911 Cardiff census. I found them by tracing the address that my grandad was born at.
I know its a long shot, but if anyone on this site has any clue as to the reason of the families falling out I would be very grateful to be let in on the secret !
All the best, Kate Sheppard (nee Reid-Vowles)

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Hi there Dave, I am descended from John Trigg and Phoebe Sier.
Their daughter Esther Eliza Trigg married George Reed
and their daughter Phoebe Ann married a Francis John Vowles (my Maiden name)
their eldest son George was my grandfather and we all carry the middle name Reid (misspelt) to commemorate Phoebe Ann who died weeks after giving birth to their daughter Winifred Vowles.
So I guess John and Phoebe are my great-great-great-grandparents...
For some unknown reason , the Reed side of the family had nothing to do with the children of that marriage even after Francis John was killed in Flanders in 1917, leaving tham orphaned.
The children including my grandfather George were raised by his Vowles aunts in and around Backwell, Somerset.
Phoebe Ann and Francis John's marriage took place in Cardiff where all the children were born. I have only just discovered this side of the family , (yesterday!)due to a miss transciption of Vowles into Powles on the 1911 Cardiff census. I found them by tracing the address that my grandad was born at.
I know its a long shot, but if anyone on this site has any clue as to the reason of the families falling out I would be very grateful to be let in on the secret !
All the best, Kate Sheppard (nee Reid-Vowles)

Your VOWLES were Inn Keeper/ farmers and the REEDS were iron miners - perhaps Phoebe was "not good enough" for Francis (?)

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=36763

SIER / TRIGG / TINGLE
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=18946

Year: 1848
Month: Oct
Day: 15
Grooms_Surname: TRIGG
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: Green Bottom
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Trigg
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Garden
Brides_Surname: SCIER
Brides_Forenames: Pheobe
Brides_Age: 26
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Green Bottom
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Scier
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Mason
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Mark
Witness_1: William Colwell
Witness_2: Susan Scier
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry G. Nicholls
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 25
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

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Hi there Kate,

Your John TRIGG (b ca 1828 Iron Miner Green Bottom in 1851) who married Phoebe SIER (Dec 1848) is not the same person as my John TRIGG (b ca 1819 Collier Harry Hill in 1851) who married Ann MATTHEWS (Sep 1838). Just to confuse things further both couples had a daughter called Mary Ann born around 1849 one of whom was my g-grandmother.

If we have a connection it must be earlier in the TRIGG family tree. Note I have found the John TRIGG = Phoebe SIER family in the Census on several occasions whilst looking for the John TRIGG = Ann MATTHEWS family and can let you have the PRO References if you have not already found them.

Regards, Dave

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Hi Dave, Sorry to hear we arent cousins! slowhands has suggested that the families Reed and Vowles fell out due to Phoebe's low ancestry, but as he was just a railway labourer its unlikely. hope we can find a connection, I know very little about this side of my family- strange as four generations, including my own daughter, carry the family name.
Kate

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Hi Kate. It's always disappointing when a link does not turn up but I have some more information on your John TRIGG because I have his DC which I asked for by mistake when looking for mine. It shows that he died on 10 October 1862 at East Dean, aged 35, Miner, Accidentally Killed in a Mine Pit, Information received from James TEAGUE Coroner for Gloucestershire. Inquest held 13 October 1862. Registered by Edward TEAGUE Registrar. 25 November 1862. I have also looked on Ancestry and there are 11 trees that include your John TRIGG. Most show his father to be James TRIGG 1791-1856 and some show his mother as Nancy/ Ann(e) DAVIES. A few show his grandmother as Elizabeth TRIGG but none go further back than that so there isn't a link to my TRIGG tree. Perhaps we will find one someday. Dave

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