WLIIAM TOOMEY ALIAS WILLIAM TOMMEY AND FIRST FOOT REGIMENT (General)

by sidtoomey01 @, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, Monday, January 11, 2016, 22:20 (1400 days ago)

There is a record of William Toomey/Tommey born in Westbury who served in the First Foot Regiment and was discharged aged 42.
The references are WO 97/239/63 and WO 97/1-1271. I am unable to delve any further in to these records and am hoping a forum user may be able to provide more information for me.
Any help would be wonderful
Thanks in advance

Sid Toomey

WLIIAM TOOMEY ALIAS WILLIAM TOMMEY AND FIRST FOOT REGIMENT

by RogerrGriffiths @, Swindon, Tuesday, January 12, 2016, 12:12 (1400 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

I did a quick search in Parish Records 1770 - 1830ish with no result. Do you have some dates please? I assume you meant Westbury on Severn. There's a Westbury in Wiltshire.

WLIIAM TOOMEY ALIAS WILLIAM TOMMEY AND FIRST FOOT REGIMENT

by sidtoomey01 @, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, Tuesday, January 12, 2016, 21:14 (1399 days ago) @ RogerrGriffiths

Thank you for your reply Rogerr.
The index for the service record I am trying to get details of show that he was born in Westbury Gloucestershire and I think his service was from 1831-1853. The records are held by The National Archives with a heading "Royal Chelsea Hospital Chelsea: Soldiers Service Documents 1760-1854.
It is probably a long shot , but I want to see if he is the William Tumey who was baptised on 18th October 1810 at Churchdown and who appears to have disappeared from all records after that date.
His Parents were William Toomey (my 3rd G/Grandfather) and Elizabeth Burnett.

Sid Toomey

WLIIAM TOOMEY ALIAS WILLIAM TOMMEY AND FIRST FOOT REGIMENT

by RogerrGriffiths @, Swindon, Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 09:12 (1399 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

Hello Sid,

Can't find anything. Churchdown does not appear in the search list of parishes here. There will be people along who see your Thread and have other resources.

Roger

WLIIAM TOOMEY ALIAS WILLIAM TOMMEY AND FIRST FOOT REGIMENT

by sidtoomey01 @, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 19:42 (1399 days ago) @ RogerrGriffiths

Thanks for your efforts Rogerr.
I will keep digging
Sid Toomey

WLIIAM TOOMEY ALIAS WILLIAM TOMMEY AND FIRST FOOT REGIMENT

by HarryBrook @, Friday, January 15, 2016, 15:25 (1397 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

The search result Sid found on the national archives is this
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8709584
The record should be available to read and download on findmypast. However I could not find it. It does not come up under Toomey or Tommey. It appears to have been mis-trancribed; as what is anybody's guess. I tried Yoomey. The fmp search engine will not respond to the NA ref. number alone. Any other suggestions?

WLIIAM TOOMEY ALIAS WILLIAM TOMMEY AND FIRST FOOT REGIMENT

by shepway @, Friday, January 15, 2016, 15:37 (1397 days ago) @ HarryBrook

This is the transcription:
First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name GOOMEY
Birth year 1810
Birth parish WESTBURY
Birth town GLOCESTER
Birth county GLOUCESTERSHIRE
Birth country ENGLAND
Service number 478
Rank SERJEANT
Regiment -
Document Type Discharge
Attestation year 1831
Attestation Day 10
Attestation Month 12
Attestation age years 21
Attestation age months -
Discharge Corps 1ST THE ROYAL REGT FO FOOT 2ND BATTALION
Discharge service number 478
Series WO97 chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913
Box 239
Box Record Number 63
Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain

Mike

WLIIAM TOOMEY ALIAS WILLIAM TOMMEY AND FIRST FOOT REGIMENT

by sidtoomey01 @, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, Friday, January 15, 2016, 21:38 (1396 days ago) @ shepway

Thank you for your replies Mike and Harry.
The birth date of 1810 is the same as my William. Where did you find the transcription ?
I must get a copy of his service record to see if it gives any more information so I can confirm he was the first son of William Toomey of Churcham whose birth records are just as elusive.

Sid Toomey

WLIIAM TOOMEY ALIAS WILLIAM TOMMEY AND FIRST FOOT REGIMENT

by shepway @, Friday, January 15, 2016, 23:34 (1396 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

The transcript is from Findmypast.
The document runs to about 10 pages and is a record of his service but does not appear to give date of birth or name of his parents.

Mike

WLIIAM TOOMEY ALIAS WILLIAM TOMMEY AND FIRST FOOT REGIMENT

by sidtoomey01 @, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, Saturday, January 16, 2016, 05:37 (1396 days ago) @ shepway

Mike
Thank you very much for the service record. Year of birth matches my William.
Service record states he was born in or near Gloucester. Churchdown i believe is close to Gloucester.
I searched Ancestry to see if there were any other William Toomey's (including other spellings of the surname) born in vicinity in the same year. You wouldn't believe it but there was another William born in The Leith Parish a month different with the same parent names !!
I must look further in to it.

Sid Toomey

WLIIAM TOOMEY ALIAS WILLIAM TOMMEY AND FIRST FOOT REGIMENT

by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Sunday, January 17, 2016, 19:21 (1395 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

Hello Sid,

The documents associated with the discharge are also available on Genes Reunited. As already stated in a previous reply they do not give any clues to his parentage but they do show a few things of interest:-

The 1853 discharge papers refer to him as TOOMEY but his 1831 attestation papers (also included) refer to him as TOMMEY, which is how he signs.

He was attested in 1831 and rose to be a Sergeant in 1835. In 1836 he was court martialled for drunkenness, imprisoned for four days, and reduced to the rank of Private. However, by 1839 he was promoted to Sergeant again.

He served extensive periods abroad in Canada, Nova Scotia and the West Indies.

The reason for discharge was, “ rendered unfit by general debility produced by length of service, not caused by constitutional predisposition or aggravated by vice or intemperance”. He was “unfit for service in consequence of general debility and worn out.” His overall conduct was described as “very good”.

The discharge seems to have taken place in Dublin, Ireland. The papers were signed by the Principal Medical Officer at Dublin (21 Nov. 1853) and the Office of the Adjutant General, Dublin. The place of discharge is difficult to interpret but could be an older spelling of Bray, just south of Dublin. He also expressed the intention to dwell in the same place after discharge. Perhaps this is why he vanishes since the records of the Irish censuses after this date are fragmentary or non-existent.

If the two are to be identified as the same I suppose the main question is why he should give his birth parish as Westbury if he was born in Churchdown?

WLIIAM TOOMEY ALIAS WILLIAM TOMMEY AND FIRST FOOT REGIMENT

by sidtoomey01 @, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, Sunday, January 17, 2016, 20:41 (1394 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin

Hi Mike
Thank you for the extra information. I read the documents and noticed that his place of birth was also given as "In or near Gloucester".
During research in to my Ancestors, I have seen the name "Toomey" spelt every way imaginable. I don't know whether the soldier William Toomey is the same as mine who was born in Churchdown and seems to have dropped out of circulation. He was the only progeny of William Toomey and his wife Elizabeth (Burnett) who was not born in Churcham.
Thanks again for your interest.
Sid Toomey

WLIIAM TOOMEY ALIAS WILLIAM TOMMEY AND FIRST FOOT REGIMENT

by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Sunday, January 17, 2016, 23:56 (1394 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

I wonder:-

BNA Southern Reporter and Cork Commercial Courier - Monday 19 February 1866

HIBERNIAN HOTEL, 108, OLD GEORGE’S STREET. (Corner of Winthrop Street Cork). WILLIAM TOOMEY, Proprietor (late House Steward of the Royal Cork Yacht Club, Queenstown, and formerly for many years Officers’ Mess Sergeant 2nd Battalion 1st Royal Regiment) begs to inform his numerous Friends and the Public that the above Establishment has undergone extensive alterations and improvements, which have rendered it replete with every comfort, and is now under his own immediate management. Visitors may rely on the utmost attention and cleanliness, with moderate charges. This old established Hotel is very desirably situated for the accommodation of commercial gentlemen, private families, and tourists, being in the most central part of the city. Beds, with attendance, 2s. per night. A Night Porter is in attendance. The Proprietor also begs to announce that he has opened to the public a Refreshment room facing Old George’s-street, front entrance, for Soups, Oysters, and Dinners (Daily) from Hot Joints, with Vegetables from 2 to 5 p.m. Suppers also if required, all at moderate charges. W. T. begs to assure the Public that all his Wines, Spirits, Ales, &c., will be of the very choicest description as he is determined to keep the best only. Attendance charges in the bills at very moderate rates. N.B.—Observe Hibernian Hotel.

WLIIAM TOOMEY ALIAS WILLIAM TOMMEY AND FIRST FOOT REGIMENT

by sidtoomey01 @, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, Monday, January 18, 2016, 03:46 (1394 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin

Mike
Once again I am astonished at the information which a more skilled forum user has been able to unearth.
Thank you again

Sid Toomey

WLIIAM TOOMEY ALIAS WILLIAM TOMMEY AND FIRST FOOT REGIMENT

by shepway @, Monday, January 18, 2016, 08:56 (1394 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

It would appear that William was initiated into a Freemasons Lodge in 1837. Some detail from Ancestry:
Name: William Tommey
Gender: Male
Initiation Age: 24
Birth Year: abt 1813
Initiation Date: 13 Jan 1837
First Payment Year on Register: 1837
Year Range: 1837-1862
Profession: Corporal
Lodge: Lodge of Unity Peace and Concord
Lodge Location: 1st Royal Regt
Lodge Number: 396
Folio Number: 115

Information on this Lodge can be found here:
http://www.hrionline.ac.uk/lane/record.php?ID=1533

This was a Regimental Lodge that met wherever they were stationed and the Register tells us that William was in Montreal at the time. His rank on that date is the same as in his Service Record.

The United Grand Lodge of England can be contacted online at:
http://www.ugle.org.uk/contact-us/genealogical-enquiries

Mike

WILLIAM TOOMEY DISCHARGE HEARING

by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Monday, January 18, 2016, 11:51 (1394 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

After looking at the Masonic information perhaps the discharge hearing was in Birr rather than near Dublin. There was a nearby barracks (Crinkill) and one of the 1853 meetings was held in Birr.

WILLIAM TOOMEY ALIAS WILLIAM TOMMEY AND FIRST FOOT REGIMENT

by shepway @, Monday, January 18, 2016, 12:03 (1394 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

There is a searchable database on the Soldiers of Gloucestershire website:
http://www.glosters.org.uk/soldiersearch/

A search of the 19th Century database produces 6 entries with the surname TOOMEY all born in Ireland. Apart from forenames and place of birth there is no other information available but may be worth following up.

Mike

WLIIAM TOOMEY ALIAS WILLIAM TOMMEY AND FIRST FOOT REGIMENT

by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Thursday, January 21, 2016, 20:36 (1390 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

From the BNA Southern Reporter and Cork Commercial Courier - Monday 11 June 1860 an indication that the soldier William Toomey seems to have married at some stage,

DIED

On the 8th inst., Mrs Elizabeth Toomey, wife of Mr Wm. Toomey, late mess man, North Cork Rifles, now Steward of the Royal Cork Yacht Club, Queenstown, deeply regretted by a numerous family and circle of friends.

WLIIAM TOOMEY ALIAS WILLIAM TOMMEY AND FIRST FOOT REGIMENT

by sidtoomey01 @, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, Friday, January 22, 2016, 02:47 (1390 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin

Thank you to all for the information provided on William Toomey and his possible life after discharge from the Army. This information now raises more questions for me.
According to his discharge papers, he was discharged in Birr and expressed a desire to live in the area.
I agree with the information on his Lodge membership. Dates and rank match .
If he is the William Toomey who was a later steward at Royal Cork Yacht Club and then at Hibernian Hotel he would have had to have moved from Birr, which seems like a distance but if one has served in Canada, The West Indies and joined the Army in Gloucester it probably wouldn't seem far.
The report of his wife death in 1860 confuses me as it said he was a member of the Royal Cork Rifles ? It also matches the Hibernian Hotel report re his earlier mess service in the Second Battalion of 1st Regiment of Foot.
Now I need to try to link him to the William Toomey (Tummy) born in Churchdown.
With all of the Geographic and Historical information i am absorbing during my Family research, I think I would make an awesome quiz show competitor. Problem is, my memory is like a sieve.

Sid Toomey

WLIIAM TOOMEY ALIAS WILLIAM TOMMEY AND FIRST FOOT REGIMENT

by sidtoomey01 @, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, Wednesday, September 25, 2019, 23:06 (47 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

Continuing with my search in to this soldiers life, I have found that he finished his career with the 2nd Battalion, 1st (Royal) Regiment of Foot as Officers Mess Sergeant.

Would any Forum user have any knowledge of the structure of a Foot Regiment in the mid 19th Century ?
In particular, would the Officers Mess have been attached to the Battalion Headquarters and therefor the Mess Sergeant also ?

I know that the Headquarters and three of the service Companies were on board ship in the St Laurence Seaway enroute from Canada to the West Indies when they were shipwrecked, luckily without loss of life. Sergeant William Toomey/Tommey was on board .
Although most of this research is outside The Forest of Dean, his younger brother James Toomey, Baptised in Churcham in 1824, also enlisted in the Army and served in the same Battalion , ending his long career as Colour Sergeant with the 2nd Battalion, 12th Regiment of Foot.

Thank you in advance

Sid Toomey

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