looking for granma (General)

by bathmilliner, Sunday, February 12, 2017, 15:23 (2627 days ago)

I wonder if anybody can help me find where my grandma is buried the only information I have was on a co-op bill ?.Her name was Emily May MILLINER burial info I have says 23rd july 1943 at ST. JOHNS officated by baptist minister is there two ST JOHNS churches in CINDERFORD.There does not seem to be any record in the parish record search? can anybody help , would like to try and visit her grave.

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by shepway @, Sunday, February 12, 2017, 16:03 (2627 days ago) @ bathmilliner

This looks like a transcript error. We have this entry in the database:

Year: 1943
Month: Jul
Day: 22
Surname: MILLIN
Forenames: Emily Mary
Residence: 104 High St[reet]
Age_at_death: 50
Officiating_Minister: F C M Buck Minister
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/15
Page_No: 276
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

We do not have any details of the burial plot and there is no guarantee you will find a head stone so we suggest you contact the church to see if they have a plan of the churchyard that will help you pinpoint the burial site.
http://www.cinderford-churches.org.uk/contact/

Mike

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by probinson @, S. Oxon, Sunday, February 12, 2017, 17:49 (2627 days ago) @ bathmilliner

This is the entry from St John's records.

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by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, February 12, 2017, 18:56 (2627 days ago) @ probinson

Thanks PR for that, very useful indeed. Please can you clarify, does the entry include any suggestion that it's a "Baptist" Minister, as per Bathmilliner's query ?.
I ask because the St John's Church I know of, at the Ruspidge end of Cinderford, is dedicated to St John the Evangelist, not St John the Baptist. I'm no expert but I don't think the two are the same. St John's church does have it's own attached graveyard.

Also, I see some numbers writen in the Lefthand margin. Despite enlarging my screen's image I can't be sure of what they read. It's a shame these haven't been entered onto the "Notes" in the PR, as I suspect they may indicate where this plot is located, judging from past enquiries of this type.
See this old thread.
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=44128

Ref yr query Bathmilliner, yes Cinderford does have a separate Baptist Church, which also has it's own attached graveyard. see
http://churchdb.gukutils.org.uk/GLS885.php

Judging from Bathmilliner's original post I'm unsure as to which Church & churchyard we should be focussing on.

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by shepway @, Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:26 (2627 days ago) @ Jefff

Looking at the Burial Register Entry the numbers to the left are: 34/43 and looking back through the register this tells us that it was the 34th burial in 1943 and therefore not a burial plot number.
F C M Buck, Minister was the Baptist Minister at that time..

Mike

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by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:05 (2627 days ago) @ shepway

Thanks for that Mike.
Shame about the numbers then, but it seemed to match the old posts from Slowhands etc wrt numbers in "left margins" and such like.

Reading thro various old threads on this very subject, the general advice is that St Johns Churchyard is best visited in summer after the grass has been cut, as it can often get very overgrown, altho hopefully it's not too bad at this time of the year. Also that the ground is very uneven in places, being an old graveyard the plots aren't as neatly organised as modern cemeteries. However it's still likely there is a logic to the plots, probably they're in chronological order, and that there are various books/plans with the Warden/Vicar indicating their layout.

http://forest-of-dean.net/gallery/cinderford/pages/page_55.html

I do wish I could visit it now, as I haven't been there for several years. Indeed the area's changed since then; as Cub Scouts in the early 70s we were based next to St John's Vicarage and used to clamber all over the rocks and grassland immediately below the Church (old quarries) overlooking Valley Rd, which has now been landscaped & built over; and a decade later I was playing badminton in the small Church Hall (twixt the Church & White Hart), which has recently been redeveloped too. We had special rules re shuttlecocks hitting the very low roof beams, but great fun and right next-door to a nice "refreshing" pub !
http://way-mark.co.uk/foresthaven/livnhist/slide096.htm#
At least the Church yard does appear to be laid-out in rows judging by the modern bonus of GoogleEarth.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/St+John's+Church/@51.8125641,-2.5050416,246m/data=!...

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by shepway @, Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:09 (2627 days ago) @ Jefff

I think my earlier suggestion to contact the Church is the best way forward as I understand wild boar recently entered the churchyard and have caused damage.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-38755729

Mike

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by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:21 (2627 days ago) @ shepway

I agree entirely Mike.

So very sad to see the boar have been at it again. Last year Cinderford St John's cricket club had to invest heavily in fencing to keep these mini-dozers out, so sad to see the Church has also suffered. As has the Dilke Hospital near St John's, except their fence cost far-more than it needed to as it "had" to be installed by contractors with the "necessary" NHS approvals, so not local firms. I have fond memories of attending summer fetes on the Dilke lawns as a kid, and taking my son 18 years ago, but now ?...
When will those in government realise this problem needs action before it's out of control ? Yes, I'm a nature lover, but these animals are not native to the Forest, and are not the cute little harmless things so many seem to think they are, as per the clearly pro-boar treatment given by BBC Countryfile a while back. Their natural instincts are to start breeding whenever they're culled, these are powerful bulldozers capable of enormous damage, including threatening the future of native wildlife such as the deer, not to mention the wild flowers we used to see in the woods...
Heartbreaking !

http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/world-s-first-boar-grid-installed-to-protect-fores...

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