Eliza Haynes (Parish Records)

by DianaDouglas, Sunday, February 12, 2017, 17:22 (1032 days ago)

Was she born in born in Builth Wells in 1813

Eliza Haynes

by ChrisW @, Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:57 (1032 days ago) @ DianaDouglas

Hello Diana

Could you please give some information about this lady to enable us to try to help you?


Was Haynes her maiden or married name?

If married, who to and when/where?

Did they live in the FoD area?

Have you found her on any census?

Thanks

Chris

Eliza Haynes

by DianaDouglas, Friday, March 17, 2017, 19:57 (999 days ago) @ ChrisW

Hello Diana

Could you please give some information about this lady to enable us to try to help you?


Was Haynes her maiden or married name?

If married, who to and when/where?

Did they live in the FoD area?

Have you found her on any census?

Thanks

Chris

Hi Chris

I have only just found your message. So kind of you to reply. I wish I had spotted the message ages ago. Mea culpa.

Eliza was baptized in Ross on 24 Nov 1813 according to Ross Parish Records. (Altho some records state 1816 for her birth year.) Parents were William Haynes/Hains and Esther Baynham (1787 - 1853). They married in Ross on 27 June 1813, 6 mths before the baptism. Eliza married Rowland Price in Ross on 10/11/1833. What interests me enormously is that Census returns of 1851/61/71 state Eliza was born in Builth Wells. She was my GGGrandmother and I want to establish my bit of Welshness! Also the record for 1841 shows N for No, meaning Eliza was not born in the County of Herefordhire. I am also really interested in tracing William Hain's line but have drawn a blank. I have found the Baynham line --going way back on Ancestry trees. I have recently 09/03/17)been in touch with Sheila Leitch from Powys FH Socy who is trying to help me too. Fingers crossed. Thank you again, Diana Douglas nee Price

Eliza HAYNES of ???, m Rowland PRICE in Ross on Wye.

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Saturday, March 18, 2017, 00:42 (999 days ago) @ DianaDouglas

Hi Diana,
thanks for clarifying things. Sadly this family appear to be outside of our Forest of Dean area, so that will affect how much we can help you, but we're a friendly forum so will do what we can.
I only have access to the Census' via FamilySearch at the moment, so cannot see the actual images, but yes it does appear fairly convincing that Eliza was born in Builth Wells, as follows (I appreciate you have much if not all of this, but it may help other researchers as well as me):

1841, Brookend Street, Ross, Herefordshire.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Rowland Price M 27-31 Herefordshire
Eliza Price F 25-29
James Price M 2 Herefordshire
Edwin Price M 0 Herefordshire


1851, Brookend Street, Ross, Herefordshire.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Rowland Price Head M 37 Sawyer. Hereford, Herefordshire
Eliza Price Wife F 35 Builh, Brecknockshire
Richard Price Son M 14 Ross, Herefordshire
James Price Son M 12 Ross, Herefordshire
John Price Son M 10 Ross, Herefordshire
Leonard Price Son M 7 Ross, Herefordshire
George Price Son M 5 Ross, Herefordshire
Henry Price Son M 1 Ross, Herefordshire


1861, Queen Street, Ross, Herefordshire.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Rowland Price Head M 47 Builder. Hereford,Herefordshire
Elvia Price Wife F 45 Brecon Builth,
Leonard Price Son M 17 Hereford Ross,
Henry Price Son M 11 Mason. Hereford Ross,
Alfred Price Son M 6 Hereford Ross,
Birtha A Price Daughter F 4 Hereford Ross,


1871, Sandbach, Cheshire.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Rowland Price Head M 57 Builder's Manager. Hereford, Herefordshire
Eliza Price Wife F 55 Bucks
Alfred Price Son M 16 Carpenter. Ross, Herefordshire
Burtha A Price Daughter F 14 Ross, Herefordshire
Ellen Eaton Visitor F 22 Hanley, Staffordshire

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Name Rowland Price
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1877
Registration District Congleton
County Cheshire
Event Place Congleton, Cheshire, England
Age (available after 1866) 62
Birth Year (Estimated) 1815


Again from FamilySearch, this looks like our man


Name Rowland Price
Gender Male
Christening Date 27 Mar 1814
Christening Place St. Peter's, Hereford, Hereford, England
Father's Name Rowland Price
Mother's Name Mary

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1881, Bradwall Road, Sandbach, Cheshire.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Alfred Price Head M 27 Joiner (Journeyman). Ross, Herefordshire, England
Ellen Price Wife F 28 Sandbach, Cheshire, England
Herbert Price Son M 3 Sandbach, Cheshire, England
Edith Price Daughter F 0 Sandbach, Cheshire, England
Eliza Price Daughter F 65 Ross, Herefordshire, England
Mary Simms Servant F 11 Plymouth, Devon, England


1891 ??


1901, Middlewich Road, Bradwall, Sandbach, Cheshire.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Alfred Price Head M 46 Architect. Ross, Hertfordshire
Ellen Price Wife F 47 Sandbach, Cheshire
Herbert Price Son M 23 Wireworks clerk. Sandbach, Cheshire
John R Price Son M 16 Sandbach, Cheshire
Leonard A Price Son M 13 Sandbach, Cheshire
Eliza Price Mother F 85 Ross, Hertfordshire
Harry Kilminster Son-In-Law M 26 Draper's assistant. Longton, Staffordshire
Martha Kilminster Daughter F 24 Sandbach, Cheshire


Name Eliza Price
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1905
Registration District Congleton
County Cheshire
Event Place Congleton, Cheshire, England
Age (available after 1866) 89
Birth Year (Estimated) 1816


So at least Eliza's given ages are consistent.

I'm sure you've seen these Records as well, could this be our Eliza ?. Sadly no parents are named, altho it's possible that they are visible on the FindMyPast site who hold the image, altho Ancestry may also have it ?.

Name Elisabeth Hayns
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 23 May 1814
Event Place Llanstephan, Radnorshire, Wales

I guess? this is the same person, but ?

Name Elizabeth Hayns
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 23 May 1813
Event Place Llanstephan, Radnorshire, Wales

Llanstephan is only 7 miles from Builth Wells so I suggest these are worth your following-up if possible. That said I see the original PRs may be held at Powys Archives, so you may already be on this trail ?
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/RAD/Llansteffan#ChurchRecords


I also found this girl, I wonder if she's a descendant, sadly I cannot readily find her birth record hence parents;

???

Name Vera Elizabeth Haines
Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
County Brecknockshire
Parish Llanstephan
Sub-District Talgarth
Registration District Hay
Gender Female
Age 13
Birthplace Llanstephan, Radnorshire
Record Type Household

Which leads to

1901 Census, Boughrood Road, Llanstephan (Radnor), Brecknockshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Davies Head M 68 Farmer. Ceynllys, Radnorshire
James Davies Son M 41 Farmer's son. Llanfaredd, Radnorshire
Levia Davies Daughter-In-Law F 30 Llanbadron Y Garreg, Radnorshire
Gladys G Davies Grand Daughter F 10 Boughrood, Radnorshire
Eliza A E Davies Grand Daughter F 3 Llanstephan, Radnorshire
Vera E Haines Grand Daughter F 3 Llanstephan, Radnorshire
Bertha Harley Niece F 17 Upper Machen, Monmouthshire
William E Price Servant M 21 Stockman on farm. Llandewey Fach, Radnorshire
William G Bowen Servant M 24 Brilley, Herefordshire


Again, some more work on these folk may be worthwhile.
I see there's a PRICE here too, altho not a rare name in this area, of course.

Have you searched for Rowland and Eliza's Wills, they may help ?.

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Eliza HAYNES of ???, m Rowland PRICE in Ross on Wye.

by DianaDouglas, Saturday, March 18, 2017, 06:22 (998 days ago) @ Jefff

Jeff

My goodness! Thank you so much. A huge amount of info. I will look thro it
and come back to you. It will take me a bit of time.

Kind regards

Diana
www.speakersclubs.uk

Eliza HAYNES of ???, m Rowland PRICE in Ross on Wye.

by DianaDouglas, Saturday, March 18, 2017, 16:53 (998 days ago) @ Jefff

Hi Jeff

Lots of bits are new to me so thank you again. Yes the Rowland Price 1814- 1877 (d in Sandbach, Cheshire) is the person I had decided was my line. Married 10/11/1833 but I do not have copy of his marriage Cert, just the FoD record which does not give his dob. His mother was Mary Jenkins b 1788.

Re the 1891 census, at that time Eliza was living with her son, Richard Price (aged 54) in 1 Prices Houses, Shrewsbury. Her birth place was given as Ledbury this time. So discrepancy of birth place whenever she was living in her later years (as a widow) with her sons.

I will investigate the Elisabeth Hayns born in Llanstephan, thank you. It will mean part of the branch I have been following might need redirecting but so be it.

I will also look at the Wills of Eliza and Rowland. I have found it quite significant to look at the witnesses of various weddings. Eliza and a James Haynes were witnesses at each others weddings so perhaps James was Eliza's bro. but all I can find is his marriage record.

All for now.

Thank you again
Diana

Eliza HAYNES of ???, m Rowland PRICE in Ross on Wye.

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Saturday, March 18, 2017, 18:03 (998 days ago) @ DianaDouglas

Hi Diana,
thanks so much for replying, your kind words make my efforts all worthwhile. Sadly and as you probably know Herefordshire Records seem to be difficult to find online, a problem we've often seen on this forum.

You say Rowland Prices's mother was Mary Jenkins, so it does seem possible the baptism I found on FamilySearch is indeed his, I do hope so !
I hadn't realised his Marriage record was within this FoD site's PRs. Clearly and like so many in those days he didn't give his age, rest assured the transcriptions on this site include all the information available on the original PR. If it were a Gloucestershire record I'd expect it's image would now also be on the Ancestry site, but not sure wrt Herefordshire records.
You are very wise using the witnesses in your researches.


Ref Vera Elizabeth Haines, I think this is her records c/o FreeBMD;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Births Jun 1898 (>99%)
HAINES Vera Elizabeth Hay 11b 117
Haines Vera Elizabeth Hay 11b 17

Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1922 (>99%)
Haines Vera E Morgan Hereford 6a 765
MORGAN John H Haines Hereford 6a 765

Looking at HAINES marriages in Hay on FreeBMD, I wonder if these are her parents ? Unsure whether good or bad that both potential brides are Elizas !, I presume we're looking at Eliza DAVIES given the 1901 Census I posted yesterday.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1894 (>99%)
Davies Eliza Anne Hay 11b 261
Haines Roger Hay 11b 261
Prosser Elizabeth Hay 11b 261
Stanley George Hay 11b 261

Methinks def worth some more work on this family.
Unfortunately records on FreeBMD at this time show that Eliza Ann is a VERY popular DAVIES name in the Builth, Breconshire area ... trying to trace her father (I think) John Davies b1833 farther back thro the Census from the 1901 I posted yesterday, hoping to find his son James and daughter Eliza Ann. However none of these are rare names locally... ?. Reposting to aid my thinking;

1901 Census, Boughrood Road, Llanstephan (Radnor), Brecknockshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Davies Head M 68 Farmer. Ceynllys, Radnorshire
James Davies Son M 41 Farmer's son. Llanfaredd, Radnorshire
Levia Davies Daughter-In-Law F 30 Llanbadron Y Garreg, Radnorshire
Gladys G Davies Grand Daughter F 10 Boughrood, Radnorshire
Eliza A E Davies Grand Daughter F 3 Llanstephan, Radnorshire
Vera E Haines Grand Daughter F 3 Llanstephan, Radnorshire
Bertha Harley Niece F 17 Upper Machen, Monmouthshire
William E Price Servant M 21 Stockman on farm. Llandewey Fach, Radnorshire
William G Bowen Servant M 24 Brilley, Herefordshire


FamilySearch again gives;

1881 Census, Llanvareth (Radnor), Builth District, Breconshire, Wales.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Davies Head M 48 Farmer Of 200 Acres. Cefnllys, Radnorshire, Wales
Eliza Davies Wife F 47 Llanfaredd, Radnorshire, Wales
James Davies Son M 21 Farmer Son. Llanfaredd, Radnorshire, Wales
John Davies Son M 19 Farmer Son. Llanfaredd, Radnorshire, Wales
Eliza Ann Davies Daughter F 17 Llanfaredd, Radnorshire, Wales
Mary Jane Hughes Servant F 19 Cascob, Radnorshire, Wales
James Pugh Servant M 24 Builth, Brecknockshire, Wales
James Lewis Servant M 16 Llanyear, Radnorshire, Wales


1871 Census, Llanfaredd, Brecknockshire, Wales.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Davies Head M 38 Farmer. Ceffnlyse, Radnorshire
Eliza Davies Wife F 37 Llanfaredd, Radnorshire
James Davies Son M 11 Llanfaredd, Radnorshire
John Davies Son M 9 Llanfaredd, Radnorshire
Eliza Ann Davies Daughter F 7 Llanfaredd, Radnorshire
John Davies Father M 78 Widow, retired. Killcurn, Carmarthenshire
Ann Meredith Servant F 19 Llandewyrcurn, Breconshire
Mary Jane Meredith Servant F 15 Llanfaredd, Radnorshire
Price Harley Servant M 23 Glascwm, Radnorshire
Thomas Lewis Servant M 23 Llanbister, Radnorshire
David Price Servant M 14 Llanbadarn, Radnorshire

Llanfaredd, Radnorshire => "2 miles E. of Builth Wells",
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/RAD/Llanfaredd/Gaz1868

Ceynllys, Radnorshire => "KEVENLLEECE (CEVN-LLYS), county of RADNOR, SOUTH WALES, on the road from Newtown to Builth, 1 1/2 mile (S. W. by S.) from Pen y bont, containing 367 inhabitants."
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/RAD/Cefnllys

Prob easiest to search for Pen-y-Bont on modern maps.

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I see this FoD site's PRs include a few hundred "Eliza Haines" records. Not suggesting any apply to your Eliza, but it does reaffirm that it's a very popular name within the "Haines" family.

Good luck with your continued researches in Powys etc.
Jeff.

Eliza HAYNES of ???, m Rowland PRICE in Ross on Wye.

by DianaDouglas, Sunday, March 19, 2017, 17:02 (997 days ago) @ Jefff

Jeff

What a lot of work you have done for me. Certainly given me plenty to follow up. Thank you so much.

I suppose I am convinced the line which I have, down from the 2 Rowland Prices of Ross is my paternal line. The family left Ross for Sandbach, Cheshire and then on south to London and on to Brixton, which is where I visited my paternal grandparents.

I will follow up your suggestions though to determine where Eliza was born.

I am grateful to you for giving me so much time.

Diana

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