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by kimmy-lou @, Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 20:28 (118 days ago)

Hi there, my name is Kimberley and I use this site regularly to do my family tree for the Meek-Welsh family.
At present I have been on a break due to the birth of my daughter.
Whilst being on a break, I have been attempting to help a friend of mine who has special needs and cannot attempt a family tree alone.
The reason I am writing this is to reach out for some help from experienced family history enthusiasts.

Basically, the problem I have is my friends family history seems to be in the direction of Monmouthshire. And I am searching for an an estor of his which we cannot find on ANY census record what so ever...... his father has given me very basic info as the gentleman im looking for was his grandfather who died when he was around 7/8 years old and remembers very little of him discussing anything to do with parents, siblings ect.

Would anyone out there have any suggestions as to how i could find this gentleman??? I will post below the information that has been confirmed by my friends father.
Does anybody out there know of any sites that are similar to this one, but for the Monmouthshire area???

INFORMATION

Name :- ALBERT RAWLINGS
Dob :- abt 1894 (freebmd said birth 1894 in Pontypool)
Married :- 1919 in Bedwellty to Mary Smart
Children :- Violet Mary Rawlings b 1921. &. Albert E Rawlings b 1926

I am looking for this gentlemans parents to continue developing the trunk of my tree


If anyone could help with some pointers or tips, I would be truely grateful, and my friend Daniel also

Cheers everyone

Kimberley

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by shepway @, Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 21:24 (118 days ago) @ kimmy-lou

Could you provide the full details of the Birth Index record for Albert Rawlings please.

Mike

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by probinson @, Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 21:46 (118 days ago) @ kimmy-lou

Mongenes is a similar site for Monmouthshire.

http://www.mongenes.org.uk

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by probinson @, Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 22:11 (118 days ago) @ kimmy-lou

Are sure you have the correct Albert Rawlings?

I also found:


Name:
Albert Rawlings

Registration Year:
1897

Registration Quarter:
Jul-Aug-Sep

Registration district:
Bedwellty

Inferred County:
Monmouthshire

Volume:
11a

Page:
124

and...

Albert David Rawlings

Registration Year:
1894

Registration Quarter:
Jul-Aug-Sep

Registration district:
Pontypridd

Inferred County:
Glamorgan

Volume:
11a

Page:
518


Can't find anyone of that name born 1894 in Pontypool. Did you mean Pontypridd?

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by MPGriffiths @, Wednesday, August 16, 2017, 08:04 (118 days ago) @ kimmy-lou

?


1939 Census (don't subscribe)

Chepstow U.D. Monmouthshire

(same house)

Albert RAWLINGS born 1894
Mary RAWLINGS born 1894
Albert J RAWLINGS born 1926


There is a Mary SMART registered October Qtr 1894 - Bedwelty (GRO - mother's maiden name: GREGORY)


?Tree on Ancestry: Eli SMART and Martha Jane GREGORY - with Mary SMART born 1894 - death unknown

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by shepway @, Wednesday, August 16, 2017, 09:50 (118 days ago) @ kimmy-lou

When producing the following it is assumed we have the correct Albert E Rawlings.

Death of Albert E Rawlings born 1926:
Name: Albert Eli Rawlings
Death Age: 73
Birth Date: 18 Apr 1926
Registration Date: Sep 1999
Registration district: Caerphilly
Inferred County: Mid Glamorgan
Register Number: B2A
District and Subdistrict: 8631
Entry Number: 19

This gives us a date of birth and searching the 1939 Register (FindMyPast) we find:
Rawlings Household (3 People)
17 Victoria Road , Chepstow U.D., Monmouthshire, Wales
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Albert Rawlings 11 Jan 1894 Male Police Constable Married 245 1
Mary Rawlings 17 Oct 1894 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 245 2
Albert (J) Rawlings 18 Apr 1926 Male At School Single 245 3

This gives us a date of birth for Albert and searching FreeBMD we have 3 births in the first quarter:
Births Mar 1894
Rawlings Albert Hambledon 2a 147
Rawlings Albert Chipping S. 6a 204
Rawlings Albert Elijah G Bedford 3b 317

We can eliminate the birth in Hambledon as the child did not survive:
Deaths Mar 1894
Rawlings Albert 0 Hambledon 2a 103

and we can also eliminate Albert Elijah G. This is his marriage:
Name: Albert E G Rawlins
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1918
Registration district: Bedford
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Spouse: Beatrice E Meare
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 791

and his death:
Name: Albert E G Rawlins
Death Age: 55
Birth Date: abt 1894
Registration Date: Mar 1949
Registration district: Bedford
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 4a
Page: 86

This leaves us with the birth in Chipping Sodbury Registration district which leads us to this family in 1911 Census:
Name Relation to Head Birth Date Age Gender Marital Status Years Married Occupation Birth Place Address
Albert Rawlings Head 1869 42 Male Married Farm Labourer Cold Ashton, Gloucestershire High Street, Marshfield, Chippenham
Laura Rawlings Wife 1869 42 Female Married 19 West Littleton, Gloucestershire High Street, Marshfield, Chippenham
William Rawlings Son 1893 18 Male Single Horse Man On Farm Marshfield, Gloucestershire High Street, Marshfield, Chippenham
Albert Rawlings Son 1894 17 Male Single Farm Labourer Marshfield, Gloucestershire High Street, Marshfield, Chippenham
Arthur Rawlings Son 1897 14 Male Single Farm Labourer Marshfield, Gloucestershire High Street, Marshfield, Chippenham
Henry Rawlings Son 1899 12 Male Single school Marshfield, Gloucestershire High Street, Marshfield, Chippenham
Ellen Rawlings Daughter 1900 11 Female Single school Marshfield, Gloucestershire High Street, Marshfield, Chippenham
Percy Rawlings Son 1901 10 Male Single school Bath, Somerset High Street, Marshfield, Chippenham
Mabel Lilian Rawlings Daughter 1902 9 Female Single school West Littleton, Gloucestershire High Street, Marshfield, Chippenham
Amy Rawlings Daughter 1903 8 Female Single school West Littleton, Gloucestershire High Street, Marshfield, Chippenham
Minnie Rawlings Daughter 1904 7 Female Single school West Littleton, Gloucestershire High Street, Marshfield, Chippenham
Edith Rawlings Daughter 1907 4 Female Single At Home West Littleton, Gloucestershire High Street, Marshfield, Chippenham
Elsie Rawlings Daughter 1910 1 Female Single At Home Marshfield, Gloucestershire High Street, Marshfield, Chippenham
Laura Rawlings Daughter 1910 4/12 Female At Home Marshfield, Gloucestershire High Street, Marshfield, Chippenham

Albert born 1894 died in Chepstow area:

Name: Albert Rawlings
Death Age: 73
Birth Date: abt 1894
Registration Date: Mar 1967
Registration district: Chepstow
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 8c
Page: 147

And Albert born 1869 died in 1931
Name: Albert Rawlings
Death Age: 63
Birth Date: abt 1868
Registration Date: Jun 1931
Registration district: Chipping Sodbury
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 258

Probate was granted in 1951 to Frederick James Rawlings, stone quarryman. Albert’s date of death given as 4 April 1931 and address 47 High Street, Marshfield.

Mike

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by shepway @, Wednesday, August 16, 2017, 13:16 (117 days ago) @ shepway

Albert's baptism is to be found on Ancestry:
Name: Albert Rawlins
Baptism Date: 17 Jun 1894
Parish: Marshfield, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: MARSHFIELD
Father: Albert Rawlins
Mother: Laura Rawlins
Register Type: Parish Registers

and parents marriage:
Name: Albert Rawlings
Registration Year: 1891
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Chipping Sodbury
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 345
Spouse: Laura Jones Blake

Baptism of Albert (Senior)
Name: Albert Rawlings
Baptism Date: 22 Dec 1867
Parish: Cold Ashton, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Cold Ashton
Father: Frederick Rawlings
Mother: Sarah Rawlings
Register Type: Parish Registers

Birth of Mother taken from GRO online index:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BLAKE, LAURA JONES -
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in CHIPPING SODBURY Volume 06A Page 167

and her Baptism:
Name: Laura Jones Blake
Baptism Date: 19 May 1872
Baptism Place: Tormarton, St Mary Magdalen, Gloucestershire, England
Mother: Elizabeth Blake

Laura's parents married shortly after her birth:
Name: Elizabeth Blake
Registration Year: 1869
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Chipping Sodbury
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 382
Spouse: James Jones

This is the family in 1891:
1891 Census:
Hay Street, Marshfield
Given Name Surname Relationship Gender Age Estimated Birth Year Birth City or District Birth County Birth Country
James Jones Head Male 42 1849 Marshfield Gloucestershire England
Elizabeth Jones Wife Female 44 1847 West Littleton Gloucestershire England
Laura Jones Daughter Female 21 1870 West Littleton Gloucestershire England
Fred Jones Son Male 19 1872 West Littleton Gloucestershire England
Thomas Jones Son Male 16 1875 West Littleton Gloucestershire England
William Jones Son Male 13 1878 Marshfield Gloucestershire England
Albert Jones Son Male 12 1879 Marshfield Gloucestershire England
Frank Jones Son Male 10 1881 Marshfield Gloucestershire England
Lillian Jones Daughter Female 8 1883 Marshfield Gloucestershire England
Harry Jones Son Male 3 1888 Marshfield Gloucestershire England

and Laura is with her son and family in 1939 Register:
Rawlings Household (4 People)
47 High Street , Sodbury R.D., Gloucestershire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Laura Rawlings 24 Jul 1869 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 96 1
Frederick J Rawlings 01 Oct 1891 Male Road Stone Quarrier Married 96 2
Beatrice M N Rawlings 19 Jun 1909 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 96 3
Herbert J Rawlings 27 Sep 1938 Male Under School Age Single 96 4

Mike

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by kimmy-lou @, Wednesday, August 16, 2017, 20:50 (117 days ago) @ shepway

Hi all, thankyou all so so much for your help with this, truely grateful.
The albert Rawlings born 1894 - 1967 is correct as his last living address was 17 Victoria Road, Bulwark. He was a police constable also, my friends father confirmed that for me today.

So am i correct in thinking that he was originally from gloucestershire area??? I am just getting my head around all info as i need to write it down for me friend and his dad to explain to tomorrow

Could someone explain it in Lay-mans terms as I am getting slightly confused

Kimberley

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by shepway @, Thursday, August 17, 2017, 08:14 (117 days ago) @ kimmy-lou

The research suggests that Albert Rawlings born 11 January 1894 is the son of Albert and Laura Rawlings of Marshfield, South Gloucestershire. To be certain you should obtain the Certificate of Marriage of Albert to Mary Smart as this should provide the name of his father and maybe other members of the family as Witnesses. The 1911 Census tells us that he was from a large family consisting of 11 children at that time.
You can order the Certificate online at https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
and the details you require are as follows:
Marriages Dec 1919
Rawlings Albert Smart Bedwellty 11a 384
Smart Mary Rawlings Bedwelty 11a 384

Mike

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by kimmy-lou @, Thursday, August 17, 2017, 11:54 (116 days ago) @ shepway

Thanks Mike.....

I have contacted the general registry office as ALL of gwents record offices have apparently done searches and cannot find this marriage.
We have ordered the certificate and are now waiting for it to arrive in around 4-5 days time..... Thanks again for all your help.

How did you find all that info??? I couldnt find it anywhere

Kimberley

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