Ellen (Helen) Hogg (General)

by amie1990 @, Thursday, December 21, 2017, 21:29 (2289 days ago)

Hi all,

I am looking into another part of my family. Her name was Ellen (Helen) Hogg she was born in 1855, but according to her census records she was born in Lydbrook then on others she was born in Middlesex! would anybody know anything about Ellen? She also married a chap called Oliver Magness in 1873.

Thanks Amie

Ellen (Helen) Hogg

by MPGriffiths @, Friday, December 22, 2017, 09:44 (2289 days ago) @ amie1990

Marriage at English Bicknor 1873 (on FoD records)

Oliver MAGNESS aged 20 - Bachelor, Iron works puddler, residence: Lynbrook
father: Richard MAGNESS, Publication

Ellen HOGG aged 18, Spinster, father: James HOGG - Bricklayer

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As Ellen says she was born in Middlesex, London

?

There is on the 1861 Census for St Pancras, Middlesex
29 Gough Street


3 children, listed as HAGG on Ancestry, but looks like HOGG (Ancestry has HOGG in brackets)

Henry HAGG - 9
Ellen HAGG - 5
William HAGG - 2

listed as relatives and born St Pancras

living with Henry LEATON aged 39 and Mary A LEATON aged 38 - with other children too

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?

GRO has

Helen Caroline HOGG - mother's maiden name WARD - 1856, St Pancras

Ellen (Helen) Hogg

by MPGriffiths @, Friday, December 22, 2017, 09:51 (2289 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

???

There is a marriage on Ancestry at Camden St Giles in the Fields Holborn

4 May 1851

James HOGG, aged 21, W/House Man, of No 29 N Compton Street, father John HOGG - occupation: bricklayer

Caroline WARD, aged 20 , Spinster, of Compton Street, N 27 father William Henry WARD, Printer

witnesses: William Henry WARD and Elizabeth Matthews WARD

Ellen (Helen) Hogg

by MPGriffiths @, Friday, December 22, 2017, 10:02 (2289 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Think I've "cracked it"

as transcribed on Ancestry


1871 Census

Walford
Herefordshire


Henry J HAGG (as transcribed) aged 38 : Bricklayer, born Ingatestone, Essex
Caroline HAGG - 39 - born Ramsgate, Kent
Henry J HAGG - 19 - born St Pancras
Hellen C HAGG - 14 - born St Pancras
William J HAGG - 12 - born St Pancras


By 1881, the couple are back in London, St Pancras

98 Carlton Street

Henry James HOGG - aged 48, Builder employing 18 men - born Essex
Caroline HOGG - 49 - born Ramsgate Kent

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1891 Census, Middlesex, Edmonton
3 Essex Villages

Henry HOGG - 63, House Painter & Decorator, born Ingastestone, Essex
Caroline HOGG - 63, born Enfield Middx


? death: 1908, Edmonton

Caroline Sarah HOGG aged 80 birth about 1828,
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1901 Census, Middlesex, Edmonton

Henry HOGG - 73 - House Decorator, born Essex, Ingatestone
Caroline HOGG - 73 - born Enfield Middlesex

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1911 Census, 127 Bury Street, Lower Edmonton, Middx

Edward John COCKSON - 55 - Railway Clerk, london London
Florence COCKSON - 42 (married 22 years) - bonr Middx Edmonton
Edward Henry COCKSON - Son 21- - Bank Clerk, born Middx, Edmonton (mother's maiden name HOGG - GRO Index)
Gladys Florence COCKSON - 18
Henry HOGG - aged 83, father-in-law- Widower, retired House Decorator, born Essex, (Fryerning, as transcribed)

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1891 Census, Edmonton, Middx

3 Lawrence Street


Edward J COCKSON - 35 - Railway Clerk, born London Mile End
Florence COCKSON - 22 - born Middx, Edmonton
Edward H COCKSON - 1 - ditto (see above, mother's maiden name HOGG)

Edward John COCKSON married Florence HOGG - 1888, Edmonton District

Ancestry: Marriage at St James, Upper Edmonton, Enfield : 4 August 1888

Florence HOGG aged 19, Spinster, residence: 3 Essex Villas : father: Henry HOGG - House Decorator
Edward John COCKEN - aged 32, father Edward

witnesses: Henry HOGG and Ada Bennett

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On the 1881 census, Florence HOGG aged 12, and grand-daughter is living with her Grandmother: Harriet HOGG aged 78, born Sussex, Ditching (retired licenced victualler) at: 2 Chesham Road, Brighton, Sussex

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1881 Census, London, St Pancras

70 Weedington Road

Henry J HOGG - 29, Bricklayer - born St Pancras
Harriet HOGG - 25, born Wiltshire St James
Ada F HOGG - 7 - all children, born St Pancras
Henry J HOGG - 4
Alice H HOGG - 3
Emmeline HOGG - 2

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GRO, children's mother's maiden name HAWKINS


Henry James HOGG married Harriet HAWKINS, Pancras District: March Qtr 1873

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Ancestry: Marriage at Holy Trinity, Haverstock Hill, Camden - 16 March 1873

Henry James HOGG aged 21, Bachelor, Bricklayer, 51 Harwood Street, father: Henry James HOGG, Bricklayer
Harriet HAWKINS aged 19, same address: father: James HAWKINS, labourer

witnesses: George THOMPSON and Emma HAWKINS

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1891 Census, London St Pancras

Kentish Town, Oakfield Crescent

William J HOGG - 31, Bricklayer, born St Pancras
Frances HOGG - 31 - born Wilthshire (with a ?)
Francis E - 8 - (daughter) born London St Pancras

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Marriage on Ancestry: 22 December 1878
St Martin's Kentish Town
Camden

William J HOGG age 27, 1 Oakfield Crescent : father: Henry HOGG - Bricklayer

Frances McLean, aged 19,1 Oakfield Crescent : father: John McLean, - Platelayer

Ellen (Helen) Hogg

by MPGriffiths @, Friday, December 22, 2017, 15:57 (2289 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

This information has been passed to me by a fellow forum Contributor which is very interesting and explains why the children were being looked after by other family members.

Hogg: Old Bailey: 6 May 1861

Caroline HOGG - : Lar & Rec: acquitted and discharged.

James HOGG was sent down for 3 years


1861 Census:

Newgate Prison

James HOGG aged 28, occupation Porter, born Ingasteston, Essex

James & Caroline HOGG

by MPGriffiths @, Friday, December 22, 2017, 16:11 (2289 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

By searching

The Proceedings of the Old Bailey

London's Central Criminal Court, 1674 to 1913 (which is on line)

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org


Reference: Number: t18610505-411

May 1861 : Trial of JAMES HOGG (28) CAROLINE HOGG


James HOGG (28) and Caroline HOGG were indicted for stealing,

on 5 July,

50 handkerchiefs, value 12l
282 scarfs, value, 30l

on 15 August

106 handkerchief and 316 scarfe, value 52l


11 October

198 handkerchiefs
133 scarfs
6 neckties value 27l 12s

the property of John BROCKLEHURST and others, the master of James HOGG, to which

James HOGG - pleased guilty

Mr SLEIGH offered no evidence against

Caroline HOGG - not guilty

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