Battered with a haddock ! Edgar Barter, Coleford, 1926 (General)
by Jefff 
, West London, Middlesex, Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 01:31 (2263 days ago)
Without wishing to take attention away from helping JaneyH solve her serious query about fruit and fish in Cinderford, it's reminded me of this newspaper article I spotted a few weeks back. Thanks to Mike Pinchin for this transcript.
Gloucester Journal - Saturday 6 November 1926
STRUCK WITH A HADDOCK.
Evidence in Coleford Assault Case.
FISH SALESMAN FINED.
At Coleford Petty Sessions on Tuesday before Mr T. H. Deakin and other magistrates; Ernest Spragg, fish salesman, Hereford, was summoned by Ernest Bodenham Barter, fishmonger, Coleford, for an assault on October 15th. Mr H. W. Berthon appeared for complainant. Defendant pleaded not guilty. Complainant said he had been in business in Coleford for over 20 years, and for over 40 years his family had had a stall in Coleford Market. On the evening of October 15th he had a stall in the Market as usual, and defendant was also there in charge of a fish stall. Witness said he heard his name being mentioned a number of times by defendant, who at length put up a sole and said, " That is Mr Barter's sole." Witness also heard defendant make use of the word "rogue," upon which he walked up to defendant and asked him if the reference were to him. Defendant then gave him a "back hander " with a haddock across the face. Defendant afterwards said, "It is a good job I didn't have a pole in my hand." Witness said that from first to last he did not interfere with the defendant.
Defendant: "Didn't you say when I first entered the market, I will stop you coming here. You shan't ruin my business?"
Complainant: "No. He also denied having said that was prepared to lose £300 to stop defendant from earning his living."
Ernest Dunn, an assistant in complainant's employ corroborated.
Leonard Barter said he accompanied his father to defendant's stall. Defendant said. " "I will give you and your son more than you want to take away," meaning that he would fight them.
Wall-ace Cole, grocer's assistant, Milkwall, said he was in the crowd in the Market Place and saw defendant strike Barter with a haddock. He thought the fish weighed 6 or 7 lbs. It was a hard blow. Witness did not see complainant do anything to defendant. When the blow was struck the crowd laughed.
P.C. Higgins said when he saw the defendant, he said Mr Barter had no right to interfere with him in his business. Defendant said, “If a man comes and interferes with me I will pull his neck out."
Defendant said he was an ex-Service man, and was now earning a living by selling fish. On the second night he came to Coleford complainant held his hand up and said, "I will stop you coming here. You won't have it all your own way tonight." Complainant commenced selling in the Market, a thing he had not done for many years. He [defendant] did not bear any malice against complainant, and all that he wanted was fair competition, but he did not intend to be insulted by anybody. Complainant pushed him and it was a pure accident that in turning round Barter was struck by the haddock.
David Merratt, of Newland Street, Coleford, said complainant touched defendant on the shoulder, at which defendant turned round and the fish caught Mr Barter in the face. It was an accident. Complainant said he had probably got his neck in a knot because the defendant was selling cheap fish. The Bench imposed a fine of 10s.
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It appears the paper has made an error with the Coleford fishmonger's name, records show he was named Edgar Bodenham Barter, not Ernest as reported.
1911 Coleford, Coleford Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Edgar Barter Head M 38 FISH MERCHANTS AND FRUITERER. Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Florence Barter Wife F 33 ASSISTING IN THE BUSINESS. Monmouth, Monmouthshire
William Barter Son M 6 Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Leonard Barter Son M 4 Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Jeffrey Barter Son M 2 Coleford, Gloucestershire
Alan Barter Son M 0 Coleford, Gloucestershire
Ellen Jones Servant F 19 MOTHER'S HELP DOMESTIC. Kew London, London
Emily Lambert Servant F 15 GENERAL SERVANT DOMESTIC. Coleford, Gloucestershire
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1904
Barter Edgar Bodinham Monmouth 11a 33
Williams Florence Mary Monmouth 11a 33
1901 Monnow Street, Monmouth, Monmouthshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Joseph W Barter Head M 51 FISH MERCHANT. Stroud, Gloucestershire
Caroline Barter Wife F 48 Walford, Herefordshire
Edgar B Barter Son M 28 FISH SALESMAN. Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Gertrude E Barter Daughter F 22 Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Ethel A Barter Daughter F 17 Monmouth, Monmouthshire
1881 Monnow Street, Monmouth, Monmouthshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Joseph W Barter Head M 31 Fishmonger And Dealer. Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
Caroline Barter Wife F 28 Ross, Herefordshire, England
Edgar B Barter Son M 8 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, England
Frank B Barter Son M 6 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, England
Arthur B Barter Son M 4 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, England
Gertrude E Barter Daughter F 2 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, England
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1871
BARTER Joseph William Ross 6a 664
Bodinham Caroline Ross 6a 664
This site's PRs have the children's marriages, the latest was Gertrude in 1943, it shows Edgar was a fish merchant residing at Market Place, Coleford.
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Births Jun 1873
Barter Edgar Bodinham Monmouth 11a 40
Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1950
Barter Edgar B 76 F. of Dean 7b 470
It appears that during the early 1960s if not later the fish business was run by son Alan, see this photo
https://www.sungreen.co.uk/Coleford/Coleford_Town_Hall.html
https://www.sungreen.co.uk/coleford_forest-of_dean/st-johns-st-market-place.html
Herbert Barter, Cinderford Fish merchant, 1930s ?
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Tuesday, January 01, 2019, 21:44 (1942 days ago) @ Jefff
While browsing another site I found this photo of JW Barter & Son's fish shop in Cinderford, and recalled this old thread. The shop has a telephone so it's presumably taken between the Wars if not later ?. The same photo appears in Humphrey Phelps' book "The Forest In Old Photos", which states a Herbert Barter is the man in the doorway. I presume he's related to one of "the Sons", I cannot find him in the PRs.
http://way-mark.co.uk/foresthaven/livnhist/photo034.htm#
However FreeBMD has;
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Births Mar 1881
BARTER Herbert Bodinham Monmouth 11a 37
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1904
Barter Herbert Bodinham Westbury S. 6a 606
Lee James Westbury S. 6a 606
Ranford Florence Gertrude E Westbury S. 6a 606
Thomas Flora Millicent G Westbury S. 6a 606
GlosBMD confirms;
Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
BARTER Herbert Bodinham THOMAS Flora Millicent Grace Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office 1904 13 68
Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1952
BARTER Herbert B 71 F.of Dean 7b 438
Struggling to find PRs etc for wife Flora, but did find;
Record_ID: 91047
Entry_Number: 484
Year: 1925
Month: Feb
Day: 28
Parents_Surname: BARTER
Child_Forenames: Marjoire Flora
Fathers_Forenames: Herbert
Mothers_Forenames: Flora
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: High St[reet]
Occupation: Salesman
Officiating_Minister: H M Biddell Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/2 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 61
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen
Soundex: B636
Record_ID: 91048
Entry_Number: 485
Year: 1925
Month: Feb
Day: 28
Parents_Surname: BARTER
Child_Forenames: Ruby Muriel
Fathers_Forenames: Herbert
Mothers_Forenames: Flora
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: High St[reet]
Occupation: Salesman
Officiating_Minister: H M Biddell Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/2 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 61
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen
Soundex: B636
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FamilySearch nicely places Herbert in Cinderford;
1901 Belle Vue Road, Woodside, East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Amos Morgan Head M 54 Mason At Colliery. Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Emma Morgan Wife F 52 Parkend, Gloucestershire
Arthur W Morgan Son M 21 Mason At Colliery. Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Morgan Daughter F 19 Apprentice At Dressmaker. Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Nie Morgan Daughter F 16 Domestic Servant. Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Herbert Barter Boarder M 20 Fisher Merchant. Monmouth
1911 East Dean, Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Hubert Barter Head M 30 FISH MERCHANT. Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Flora Barter Wife F 28 Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Marjorie Barter Daughter F 3 Cinderford, Gloucestershire
And I've eventually found him in Monmouth, it appears that FamilySearch has "separated" him from his family, who appear to be the same as previously posted for head of household, and Herbert's father, Joseph W Barter, the address is the same.
So Herbert is younger brother to Edgar, who started this thread;
Name Herbert B Barter
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales
Registration District Monmouth
Residence Note Monnow St
Gender Male
Age 0
Marital Status Single
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1881
Birthplace Monmouth, Monmouthshire, England
Page Number 30
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 5228/56
Affiliate Record Type Household[/color]
Still struggling to find him in 1891 tho', or his family.
???
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Meanwhile, who's this, presumably a relation ??.
1891 Brookend Street, Ross, Herefordshire, England.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Joseph Barter Head M 39 Fish Merchant. Gloucestershire, England
Sarah E Barter Wife F 40 Herefordshire, England
Emily R Barter Daughter F 16 Shop Assistant. Gloucestershire, England
Anne E Barter Daughter F 15 Shop Assistant. Gloucestershire, England
Henry W Barter Son M 14 Scholar. Herefordshire, England
Lillie A Barter Daughter F 12 Herefordshire, England
Eleanor M Barter Daughter F 10 Herefordshire, England
Florence K Barter Daughter F 8 Herefordshire, England
Albert L Barter Son M 4 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, England
Mabel G Barter Daughter F 2 Herefordshire, England
Edith Link Servant F 16 Herefordshire, England
1901 Gloster Road, Ross Urban, Herefordshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William J Barter Head M 49 FISH & ICE MERCHANT, Gloucestershire
Sarah E Barter Wife F 50 Hentland, Herefordshire
Emily R Barter Daughter F 26 CLERK. Coleford, Gloucestershire
E A Barter Daughter F 25 SHOPKEEPER. Coleford, Gloucestershire
Lily A Barter Daughter F 22 ART NEEDLE WORKER. Ross, Herefordshire
Eleanor M Barter Daughter F 20 MOTHERS HELP. Ross, Herefordshire
Kate F Barter Daughter F 18 PUPIL TEACHER. Ross, Herefordshire
Gladys M Barter Daughter F 12 Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Lingings Servant F 18 Ruardean, Gloucestershire
1911 Ross Urban, Ross, Herefordshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
W J Barter Head M 59 FISH MERCHANT. Gloucestershire
S E Barter Wife F 60 Whites Hill, Herefordshire
G Barter Daughter F 22 NURSE HOSPITAL. Monmouth Land, Kent
E Williams Help F 45 DOMESTIC. Llanyarron, Herefordshire
With help of FreeBMD, this appears to be William's birth record in GlosBMD, so also from Stroud as was Joseph William Barter discussed earlier;
Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
BARTER William Joseph BROWNING 1852 Stroud Stroud, Stroud 8 372
(Continued)
Herbert Barter, Cinderford Fish merchant, 1930s ?
by Mike Pinchin , Bedford, England, Tuesday, January 01, 2019, 22:57 (1942 days ago) @ Jefff
BNA Gloucester Citizen - Friday 03 March 1950
CINDERFORD TRADESMAN'S SUDDEN DEATH Mr. Leonard Cooper (40), fish and fruit merchant, carrying on business 33. High-st, Cinderford collapsed and died in his shop just before 10 o'clock this morning. Mr. Cooper had not been in good health, and had recently been attended by Dr. R. N. Nanda, of St. Briavels Mr. Cooper succeeded Mr. Herbert Barter in the business a few years ago.
other BARTER Fish merchants, continued
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Wednesday, January 02, 2019, 04:45 (1941 days ago) @ Jefff
(Continued)
This appears to be the "other" Joseph William Barter, and the father of Edgar Bodenham Barter as discussed in the original post in Coleford. A little older than William Joseph Barter but also from Stroud.
Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
BARTER Joseph William COOK 1849 Stroud Stroud, Stroud 7 117
Is the mother Browning or Cook or ??
Looking for their parent's marriage clarifies,
FreeBMD
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1846 (>99%)
Allaway Hannah Stroud 11 563
Barter William Stroud 11 563
Browning Eliza Stroud 11 563
Perry John Stroud 11 563[/color]
GlosBMD confirms, and shows that wife Eliza Browning was previously Eliza Cooke, so both William & Joseph are probably true brothers with same parents.
Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
BARTER William BROWNING Eliza Stroud Whiteshill St Paul 1846 C48/1 2
BARTER William COOKE Eliza Stroud Whiteshill St Paul 1846 C48/1 2
1841 Lower Ruscombe Street, Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Daniel Barter M 35-39 Gloucestershire
Esther Barter F 35-39 Gloucestershire
William Barter M 15-19 Gloucestershire
Esther Barter F 10 Gloucestershire
Mary Barter F 6 Gloucestershire
Hannah Barter F 4 Gloucestershire
Joseph Barter M 2 Gloucestershire
1851 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Eliza Barter Head F 22 Married. Power Loom Weaver. Whites Hill, Gloucestershire
Emma Barter Daughter F 3 Whites Hill, Gloucestershire
Joseph Barter Son M 2 Whites Hill, Gloucestershire
(Not sure why father William isn't on this form, cannot find him anywhere ??).
In 1861 they've left Stroud and appear to be near the same Ross address where youngest son William (Joseph) Barter lives with his family in 1891, see earlier post.
1861 Brookend Street, Boro Ross, Herefordshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Barter Head M 34 Salt dealer. Stroud, Gloucestershire
Eliza Barter Wife F 32 Stroud, Gloucestershire
Joseph W Barter Son M 11 Stroud, Gloucestershire
William Barter Son M 9 Stroud, Gloucestershire
1871 Ross, Ross, Herefordshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Barter Head Male 45 Widowed. Grocer And Fish Dealer. Stroud, Gloucestershire
William J Barter Son Male 19 Salesman. Stroud, Gloucestershire
Benjamin Barter Son Male 12 Ross, Herefordshire
Thomas Barter Son Male 3 Ross, Herefordshire
Eliza Selina Barter Daughter Female 17 Stroud, Gloucestershire
1871 Walford, Herefordshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Henry Boainhew Head M 48 Farmer. Huntley, Gloucestershire
Emma Boainhew Wife F 41 Whitfield, Gloucestershire
Adline Boainhew Daughter F 9 Wolford, Herefordshire
Manley Son M 10 Wolford, Herefordshire
Russell Boainhew Son M 5 Wolford, Herefordshire
Joseph Barter Son-in-law M 21 Fish Monger. Shroud, Gloucestershire
Caroline Barter Daughter F 18 Wolford, Herefordshire
Alice Meek Servant F 18 Sinderford, Gloucestershire
1881 High Steet, Ross, Herefordshire, England, United Kingdom
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William J Barter Head M 29 Fishmonger Employing 1 Man. Whits Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Sarah E Barter Wife F 30 Hentland, Herefordshire, England
Emily R Barter Daughter F 7 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth A Barter Daughter F 5 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
Henry W Barter Son M 4 Ross, Herefordshire, England
Lilie A Barter Daughter F 3 Ross, Herefordshire, England
Ellenore M Barter Daughter F 0 Ross, Herefordshire, England
Emma L Salter Visitor F 16 Dressmaker. Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
Emily Williams Servant F 15 General Servant (Dom). Llangarron, Herefordshire, England
For 1881 etc for Joseph William Barter see first post in thread, in Monmouth.
1911 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Joseph William Barter Head M 61 FISH MERCHANT. Whites Hill, Gloucestershire
Caroline Barter Wife F 58 Stroud Glas Walford, Herefordshire
Ethel Addie Bodinham Barter Daughter F 27 Ross Monmouth, Herefordshire
Mabel Carrie Bodinham Barter Daughter F 23 Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Russell Bodinham Barter Daughter M 20 ASSISTANT IN BUSINESS. Manchester Canada
Gladys Mendmore Servant F 19 Orcop, Herefordshire
Canada ??, perhaps linked to father's fish business ?.
Familysearch shows Russell IS a boy not "daughter", born in MANITOBA, Canada, ref 1891 Canada Census and his WW1 British Army Service Corps records.
Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
BARTER Russell Bodinham WICKS Minnie Forest of Dean Cinderford Baptist Chapel 1920 3 22
Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1950 (>99%)
Barter Russell B 59 Abergavenny 8c 36
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And meanwhile father William is still at Brookend Street.
1881 Brookend St, Ross, Herefordshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Barter Head M 54 Fish & Fruit Merchant Employing 4 Men. Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
Maria Barter Wife F 50 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
Ann Barter Daughter F 19 Ross, Herefordshire, England
Maria Barter Daughter F 16 Ross, Herefordshire, England
Thomas Barter Son M 12 Scholar. Ross, Herefordshire, England
Benjamin Cook Father In Law M 79 Widower. Formerly Weaver. Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
1891 Henry Street, Ross, Herefordshire, England.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Barter Head M 64 General Dealer Retired. Gloucestershire, England
Maria Barter Wife F 60 Gloucestershire, England
Thomas Barter Son M 22 Monumental Sculptor. Herefordshire, England
Alice Williams Servant F 20 Domestic Servant. Monmouth, Monmouthshire, England
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1894
Barter Maria 63 Ross 6a 280
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1899
Barter William 73 Ross 6a 316