Children not on 1911 census (General)

by steval @, Sunday, March 04, 2018, 03:46 (2217 days ago)

Hi can anyone please help. In 1901 James Dickison/Dickinson born 1861 in coleford was listed along with his wife Jane and children Lilly 3 years, Sydney and Nellie both 11 months. In the 1911 census James is listed by himself boarder and widowed. No children listed with him. Any ideas where they would have been put as I cant find them anywhere. I know Nellie married my Uncle in 1920 in Coleford. Many thanks Valerie.

Children not on 1911 census

by probinson @, S. Oxon, Sunday, March 04, 2018, 09:46 (2217 days ago) @ steval

There's a tree on Ancestry that has Lilly living with an aunt and uncle (Teague) in Mountain Ash, Wales. If you search the Wales 1911 census you should find her. Same tree has another daughter, Ethel (B:1907) living with another aunt and uncle (Davies) in same town.

I would search the various other aunts and uncles for Nellie and Sydney though I haven't found them.

Children not on 1911 census, Ethel DICKSON/DICKINSON

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, March 04, 2018, 14:37 (2216 days ago) @ probinson

There's a tree on Ancestry that has Lilly living with an aunt and uncle (Teague) in Mountain Ash, Wales. If you search the Wales 1911 census you should find her. Same tree has another daughter, Ethel (B:1907) living with another aunt and uncle (Davies) in same town.

As posted above, Familysearch has;

1911 Llanwonno, Triangle M Ash, Pontypridd District, Glamorganshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Jesse Davies Head M 52 RUBBISH TIPPER SURFACE. Llanwartle, Monmouthshire
Rose Ann Davies Wife F 44 Penn Rose, Monmouthshire
Reginald Davies Son M 16 SMITHS STRIKER SURFACE. Mountain Ash, Gloucestershire
Thomas James Davies Son M 13 BUTCHERS APPRENTICE. Mountain Ash, Gloucestershire
Lewis John Davies Son M 9 SCHOOL. Mountain Ash, Gloucestershire
Charles Jesse Davies Son M 7 Mountain Ash, Gloucestershire
Gwladys May Davies Daughter F 5 Mountain Ash, Gloucestershire
Ethel Dickson Niece F 4 Coleford, Gloucestershire
Reginald Thomas Brother To Wife M 24 One Row Load Sire, Monmouthshire
Joseph Flower Boarder M 29 Bristol, Gloucestershire
ngle M Ash, Ponytpridd District, Glamorganshire, Wales[/color]


The Triangle is an address in Mountain Ash, see
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/CF45/The-Triangle.html


GlosBMD has;
Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
DICKINSON Ethel THOMAS 1907 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford (Sub-district 4) 1 176

FreeBMD has;
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Births Mar 1907 (>99%)
Dickinson Ethel Monmouth 11a 27

Struggling to find her Marriage or even Death records.. ??

Children not on 1911 census

by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Sunday, March 04, 2018, 10:49 (2217 days ago) @ steval

From this site,

Record_ID: 284269
Entry_Number: 264
Year: 1900
Month: May
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: DICKINSON
Child_Forenames: Sydney
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Berry Hill
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: J W Jacob
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born 1900 Apr 29
Notes: This child has a twin Nelly baptised this day.
Register_Reference: D2598/3/5
Page_Number: 33
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook Primitive Methodist

Record_ID: 543077
Entry_Number: 264
Year: 1900
Month: May
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: DICKINSON
Child_Forenames: Sydney
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Berry Hill
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: J W Jacob
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born 1900 Apr 29
Notes: This child has a twin, Nelly, baptised this day.
Register_Reference: D2598/3/5
Page_Number: 33
Parish_Chapel: West Dean Methodist

GR 1911 Census, Whitecliff

In the household of George Henry TAYLOR,

Sydney DICKENSON, Boarder, 10, born Berry Hill, Glos.

Children not on 1911 census

by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Sunday, March 04, 2018, 14:14 (2216 days ago) @ steval

GR 1911 Census, 4, Miskin Terrace, Mountain Ash

Edward Charles TEAGUE, 36, Mar, Colliery Haulier below ground, b. Monmouth Town
Mary Jane, Wife, 30, Eber Vale, Monmouthshire
Edward Charles, Son, 2, Mountain Ash, Glam
Idris, Son, 11m, Mountain Ash, Glam
Lilly DICKINSON, Niece, 13, Coleford, Glos.

Nine years married, 2 children, 2 alive.

Edward’s marriage?

GR England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
First Name Edward
Last Name Teague
Gender Male
Year 1901
Spouse
Image Quarter 2
Country Wales
County Glamorganshire
District Pontypridd
District Number
Registry Number
Volume 11A
Page 979
Line Number 154
Entry Number

Edward Teague married one of the people below:
Mary Jane THOMAS
Blodwen WILLIAMS

James DICKINSON’s marriage?
(Tree on Ancestry gives his spouse as Regina THOMAS)

GR England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
First Name James
Last Name Dickinson
Gender Male
Year 1895
Spouse
Image Quarter 4
Country Wales
County Monmouthshire
District Monmouth
District Number
Registry Number
Volume 11A
Page 92
Line Number 316
Entry Number

James Dickinson married one of the people below:
Regina THOMAS
Emma Jane GAULDER

GR 1881 Census, Farm Road, Bedwelty

All born Monmouthshire.

John THOMAS, Head, Mar, 36, Blacksmith
Rachel, Wife, Mar, 34
Rose A, Daur, 12
Regina, Daur, 10,
John, Son, 8
Phillip, Son, 6
Mary J, Daur, 9m

It looks like Regina THOMAS = Jane DICKINSON = sister of Mary Jane TEAGUE who was therefore Lilly’s aunt.

Children not on 1911 census

by probinson @, S. Oxon, Sunday, March 04, 2018, 14:16 (2216 days ago) @ steval

There's a Nelly that matches who's listed as adopted but with the same surname as the parents. Could be her. As I understand it, adoptions at the time were informal arrangements and she may have gone back to her original name later.

NAME: Nelly Perkins
AGE IN 1911: 10
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: 1901
RELATION TO HEAD: Adopted Daughter
GENDER: Female
BIRTH PLACE: Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
CIVIL PARISH: Coleford
COUNTY/ISLAND: Monmouthshire
COUNTRY: Wales
STREET ADDRESS: 21Gloster Rd Coleford
OCCUPATION: School
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Monmouth
REGISTRATION DISTRICT NUMBER: 583
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Coleford
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 03
HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 69
PIECE: 31724
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS
NAME AGE
James Perkins 33
Lydia Perkins 28
Nelly Perkins 10

Children not on 1911 census, Jane/Regina death

by probinson @, S. Oxon, Sunday, March 04, 2018, 15:57 (2216 days ago) @ steval

James' wife listed as 'Jane' is confusing me. Seems her name was Regina. Is Jane an alternative for Regina?

Death record from the GRO...

DICKINSON, REGINA 37
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 278

Note that Free BMD and Ancestry both have the death listed as Reginald not Regina but the index definitely says Regina.

Children not on 1911 census, Jane/Regina death

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, March 04, 2018, 17:01 (2216 days ago) @ probinson

Well spotted sir !

Have heard Regina used several times in respect of Queen Victoria, but never thought abt it's meaning (Latin for Queen, reigning monarch), and I certainly never realised it was used as a name. I guess it might even be used as a female version of Reginald ?

Sometimes pronouced "Rejaina", so can easily believe it becoming Jane in a shortened/pet form, or if misheard by a census official or suchlike.
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Queen-Elizabeth-II-named-Regina

If Familysearch is to be believed there a few examples of this name in our search area, such as;

Name Clara Regina Dickenson
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1898
Registration District Pontypridd
County Glamorganshire
Event Place Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales
Volume 11A
Page 535
Line Number 327

(The year after Queen Victoria's Diamond Jubilee was celebrated)

Name Clara Regina Dickenson
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1901
Registration District Pontypridd
County Glamorganshire
Event Place Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales
Age (available after 1866) 3
Birth Year (Estimated) 1898
Volume 11A
Page 317
Line Number 65

1901 Woodfield Terrace, Ystradyfodwg, Llanwonno, Pontypridd District, Glamorganshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George Dickinson Head M 48 COLLIERY LABOURER BELOW GROUND. Cherston, Wiltshire
Clara Dickinson Wife F 39 Cherston, Wiltshire
Gwladys Dickinson Daughter F 8 Hafod, Glamorganshire
Regina Dickinson Daughter F 3 Hafod, Glamorganshire
Edward Dickinson Boarder M 29 COAL HEWER. Hafod, Glamorganshire
Harry Dickinson Boarder M 15 COLLIERY LABOURER BELOW GROUND. Gloucestershire

Is young Harry from Coleford too ?

FamilySearch also has several examples of different "Regina Dickenson" across the USA, and right across the 20th and 21st centuries.

Children not on 1911 census

by shepway @, Sunday, March 04, 2018, 20:09 (2216 days ago) @ steval

A little more to add.

Marriage of Nellie:
Year: 1920
Month: Apr
Day: 3
Grooms_Surname: BROWN
Grooms_Forenames: Sydney
Grooms_Age: 24
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Newland Street Coleford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Brown
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: DICKINSON
Brides_Forenames: Nellie
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: Domestic Service
Brides_Residence: Staunton Road Coleford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Dickinson
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Annie M Perkins
Witness_2: Edwin G Ross
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Edward H Brice
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P93 IN 1/12
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Coleford

From the 1939 Register:
7 Bridge Street , Gelligaer U.D., Glamorganshire, Wales
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Sydney Dickinson 29 Apr 1900 Male Unemployed Collier Married 365 1
Catherine Knutson (Dickinson) 20 Feb 1906 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 365 2

Weaver Household (5 People)
Kiln House,Whitecliff, West Dean R.D., Gloucestershire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Mark (Leslie) Weaver 14 Feb 1905 Male Farm Bailiff Single 3 1
Emily Weaver 14 Feb 1870 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 3 2
Priscilla James (Weaver) 01 Mar 1916 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 3 3
James Manfield 29 Jun 1863 Male Limestone Quarrier Retired Widowed 3 4
James Dickinson 04 Aug 1861 Male Coal Hewer Retired Widowed 3 5


Burial of James:
Year: 1941
Month: Aug
Day: 20
Surname: DICKINSON
Forenames: James
Residence: Coal Hewer
Age_at_death: 79
Officiating_Minister: Rev[eren]d L V Wraith
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Littledean (2) Section B Adult Gr[ave] (3) V 2 (4) Consecrated (5) Littledean
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25 / 204 / 30
Page_No: 85
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery

Possible death of Nellie:
Deaths Jun 1937
Brown Nellie 37 Hereford 6a 572

Mike

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