St Briavels record ID 181854 ref EDWARDS/WILLIAMS marriage (General)

by rsligi @, Friday, January 04, 2019, 16:28 (341 days ago)

I am trying to close a link to Hannah WILLIAMS, bap Dec1817 St B, daughter of Richard (1774ish but not traced his origins) WILLIAMS and Hannah WILLIAMS ( possible nee PEAD bap 1773 Lydney 2nd base child, mothers surname expanded to Susanna so probably was Hannah> PEAD )

I have Hannah WILLIAMS 1817 as marrying George EDWARDS in 1840 at St B and on that record 181854 Hannahs father Richard WILLIAMS occupation is illegible. I think from all other names etc on this record that Richard WILLIAMS was a Hoopmaker. It is listed on all Hannahs siblings as a Hoopmaker.

I have ongoing research with others sorting through the many separate/possibly related/incomers WILLIAMS in St B and maybe by elimination we can eventually separate some of the WILLIAMS into their families.

To see if the "illegible" occupation could have been Hoopmaker would clear up so many lines of research for several of us.

We have a record (amongst others just outside The Forest) of a Hannah/Anna WILIAMS from St B marrying a John Roberts in Skenfrith in around 1835, this Hannah/Anna all her records dates do not tally and to separate this Hannah at Skenfrith from Hannah in record 181854 would help conclude a long possibly dead end research project.

Any help appreciated and I will pass it on to the others to save separate postings.

St Briavels record ID 181854 ref EDWARDS/WILLIAMS marriage

by MPGriffiths @, Friday, January 04, 2019, 17:32 (341 days ago) @ rsligi

Had a look at the Marriage Certificate on Ancestry - Richard's occupation is very difficult to read - can only say it seems to be one word and looks like Rauulr??? The r in labourer above - seems the same as the r at the end of the occupation of Richard

William WILLIAMS the witness may be a clue - will have another look

?


1841 Census, St Briavels

William WILLIAMS - 30 labourer
Ann - 30
Thomas - 6
Charles - 3

St Briavels record ID 181854 ref EDWARDS/WILLIAMS marriage

by rsligi @, Friday, January 04, 2019, 17:45 (341 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

That was quick! Hoopmaker also ends in R but by time Hannah married there may not have been a need for wooden hoops for barrels or buckets or even ladies dresses. The females all seemed to be seamstresses at some time but he had access to a hazel coppice at Mork so may have made hoops for barrels out of hazel and ash as barrels were used for transporting solid items on the Wye Trows as could be rolled up planks etc better than crates or sacks.

St Briavels record ID 181854 ref EDWARDS/WILLIAMS marriage

by rsligi @, Friday, January 04, 2019, 17:50 (341 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

I separated 2 postings and there is a common theme in the William WILLIAMS post but I have no Charles, only Ann 1843, William Henry 1845,George 1847, Thomas my diect line 1851 and Alfred 1856. Charles is a new one so I will investigate further, thanks.

St Briavels record ID 181854 ref EDWARDS/WILLIAMS marriage

by MPGriffiths @, Friday, January 04, 2019, 17:57 (341 days ago) @ rsligi

I'm still checking this out - can't make up my mind whether William WILLIAMS, father was another William.

Do you use the 1841 & 1861 Index on the website - just had a quick look and there is a Richard WILLIAMS aged 60 and a Richard WILLIAMS aged 35 - place: St Briavels Common - will have a look on Ancestry.

St Briavels record ID 181854 ref EDWARDS/WILLIAMS marriage

by rsligi @, Friday, January 04, 2019, 19:42 (341 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

William Williams born 1810 is the 6th born son of Richard Williams born around 1774 and his wife Hannah, nee Pead 1773-1850. Richard and Hannah married St B 23/10/1794. Williams siblings are Richard 1796/1796, Joseph 1978, Richard 1000/1802?, John 1803, George 1806 then this William 1810, Thomas 1814 and Hannah 1817. Where Richard Williams 1774 came from is probably St B by Richard Williams and wife Rachel nee Roberts married St B 1715 and may go back to Richard Williams approx 1650 and Jane Nicolson or Nicholas married St B 24/6/1672 but I can only be reasonably sure of line from Richard approx 1774 and Hannah.

St Briavels record ID 181854 ref EDWARDS/WILLIAMS marriage

by rsligi @, Friday, January 04, 2019, 20:21 (341 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

The Richard aged 60 if in 1841 census could be my Richard born around 1774 and married to Hannah Pead. I have Hannah died in 1850 so would expect to see her recorded also. I have no living Richard around 30 in my tree as Richard and Hannah had 2 sons Richard 1796-17-96 and 1800-1802 BUT the Richard 1802 is not confirmed as died 1802 (too many Richard Williams!) so could have been the 30 year old Richard. Beware there are at least 3 lines of Williams in St B in 1700 who may have a common ancestor and several more incoming Williams from Trelleck and Newport area in later years, add that to the Williams in LLandogo and it a minefield most others have given up on!

St Briavels record ID 181854 ref EDWARDS/WILLIAMS marriage

by shepway @, Friday, January 04, 2019, 19:06 (341 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Have looked at other 1840 marriages in this Register and the entry for the marriage of John McCarty to Elizabeth Hall indicates that the father of Elizabeth was a Farmer. The handwriting is very similar to that in the entry for the marriage of George Edwards to Hannah Williams and I would suggest Richard Williams was also a Farmer.

Mike

St Briavels record ID 181854 ref EDWARDS/WILLIAMS marriage

by rsligi @, Friday, January 04, 2019, 19:25 (341 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

The William Williams on Hannah's marriage certificate would be her older brother.the witnesses are family friends also mentioned another records. I have the next post on forum reredf issues of which William Williams records refer to as to many Williams in Saint B including several called William!

St Briavels record ID 181854 ref EDWARDS/WILLIAMS marriage

by rsligi @, Friday, January 04, 2019, 20:01 (341 days ago) @ rsligi

terrible spelling as result of using pad not Mac p.c. sorry. other names on marriage record are mentioned reappear on other records and appear to be either family or friends from St B area, mainly down towards Wye at Mork, The Fence or Hudnalls.

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