The Manse, Ruardean. (General)

by gillmac @, Buxton, NSW. Australia, Thursday, September 19, 2019, 12:29 (77 days ago)

Wondering if anyone knows the history of The Manse, Ruardean. It was the family home of my great grandfather, who was the organist at St Johns for many years .Was the house owned by the church? Was it a grace and favour house?
Any information would be greatly appreciated

The Manse, Ruardean.

by shepway @, Thursday, September 19, 2019, 16:48 (77 days ago) @ gillmac

I see that you are in Australia and it is possible that the information you require may be held in documents held at Gloucester Archives. See this webpage - https://bit.ly/2mpaLRs
Unless someone can look this up for you I would suggest you make contact with the Archives: https://www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/archives/plan-your-visit/where-we-are-contact-us/
Mike

The Manse, Ruardean.

by MPGriffiths @, Thursday, September 19, 2019, 20:33 (77 days ago) @ gillmac

Have checked with

Llloyd George Survey of Land Values: Gloucestershire

https:www.glos1909survey.org.uk

The Manse, Ruardean (GA/D2428/1/49,26)

GA/D2428/1/49 - Hereditament Number 26

Place: Ruardean

Income tax parish: Guardian

Occupied by: HIGH, L, W

People Holding property:

Chapel Trustees (trustee)

Property:

Description: house & garden

Address: The Manse, Ruardean

Poor Rate:

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Burial at Ruardean : 26 May 1932

Lawrence William HIGH aged 64, residence: Ruardean, Woodside

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Size: 20 perches
Gross Value: £7 15s
Rateable Value : £7


Should be on the maps on the website

The Manse, Ruardean.

by MPGriffiths @, Thursday, September 19, 2019, 20:48 (77 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

1911 Census,

Manse, Ruardean, Glos

Lawrence Wm HIGH aged 43 - Head Teacher, Church of England, born Herts
Marion HIGH - wife aged 43, married 17 years, no children Assistant Teacher


England, United Grand Lodge of England Freemason Membership Register 1751-1921

Lawrence William HIGH
Initations Age: 41
Birth Year: abt 1868
Initiation Date: 11 February 1909
First Payment Year on Register: 1909
Year Range: 1887-1909
Profession: Schoolmaster
Lodge: Royal Forest of Dean Lodge
Lodge Location: Newham-on Severn
Lodge Number : 1067
Folio Number: 184

The Manse, Ruardean.

by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Thursday, September 19, 2019, 20:45 (77 days ago) @ gillmac

This report suggests that The Manse was built and owned by the Congregational Church rather than St John the Baptist. Old maps generally refer to the residence of the minister of St John’s as The Rectory.

BNA Gloucester Citizen - Saturday 10 January 1931

TRUSTEE AND A MANSE
APPLICATION THAT FAILED
UNUSUAL POINT AT LITTLEDEAN
An interesting ejectment case, in which the Pastor of Ruardean Congregational Church was concerned, was heard at Littledean Court yesterday, the applicant being John Onions, a trustee of the church, and the respondent Ernest Watkins. Mr. W. W. Wadeson (Mitcheldean) appeared for the applicant, and Mr. P.J. Bretherton (Gloucester) was for the respondent.
Mr. Wadeson said the case was a little out of the ordinary of tenant cases. The building known as The Manse, Ruardean, was built for the pastor, but during the time there was no pastor it had been let to respondent on a three-monthly tenancy at 18s 10d. per month. This tenancy expired on November 1st. Since the pastor arrived in the district the arrangement was that he should have The Manse in which to live. In the meantime the church had taken another house, and the pastor was living in that house, for which he had pay 8s. per week. That house was available to the respondent, and was now offered as alternative accommodation.
John Onions gave evidence.

The Defence
Mr Bretherton said the house had been referred to as The Manse, but the trust said that the rent for the house should go toward the stipend of the minister. No proof of the trust had been given. Mr Onions was a trustee, and was only a landlord by virtue of his trusteeship. To say that the Rev Dr. Warren was in the whole-time employment of the church was not say that he was in the whole-time employment of Mr Onions, who was one of the six or seven deacons. He submitted, therefore, that the application must fail. Mr. Wadeson submitted that, for the purpose of the application, Mr. Onions was "the church." In reply to the Clerk, Mr. Wadeson said he could produce a resolution in which Mr. Onions was authorised make the application but the magistrates dismissed the case on the ground that insufficient evidence had been given.

The Manse, Ruardean.

by MPGriffiths @, Thursday, September 19, 2019, 20:58 (77 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin

Ernest WATKINS aged 65, is on the 1939 Census, living at The Manse Ruardean, along with his family.

WATKINS

Ernest - dob - 18 April 1874, Coal Hewer, retired
Elizabeth A - dob - 9 April 1877, Unpaid Domestic Duties
William J - born 23 December 1904 - Coal Miner below ground
Clifford E - bporn 8 June 1912, Chauffeur - Gardiner
Dennis V - 24 March 1916 - Baker's Salesman


next door
Church Villa

WATKINS

Cyril - dob - 5 Feb 1900- Weighing and dispatching Cooper Wire at Cable Works
Blanche G - dob 8 September 1897 - Unpaid Domestic Duties

two records officially closed

Rhoda - dob 6 April 1870 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Queenie V - dob 23 August 1909 Incapicated

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Using the Advance Search - there are a number of burials, residence: The Manse, Ruardean


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John ONIONS referrred to in the Newspaper Article :

Burial at Ruardean, 19 May 1932

John ONIONS, aged 74, residence: Ruardean Woodside

Officating Minster: George R NEWMAN, Vicar of Holy Trinity Dean Forest.

George R NEWMAN on the 1939 Register, dob 11 Mar 1890 is living at The Vicarge, Lydney, Gloucestershire -
Vicar of Tidenham and Beachy.... Royal Army Chaplain T A Reserve of Officers


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ONIONS John of Rock Cottage, Ruardean Woodside, near Ruardean, Gloucestershire, died 15 May 1932
Probate Gloucester 5 July to Oswald John ONIONS, colliery Manager and Owen George ONIONS, Miner.


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Rev Dr WARREN - mentioned in the Newaper Article:

Had a look for him - there is a death: 23 June 1931 of Elizabeth Jane TIPPINS aged 62

Officating minger:

R WARREN, Independent Minister

The Manse, Ruardean.

by gillmac @, Buxton, NSW. Australia, Friday, September 20, 2019, 03:44 (76 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin

Thank you Mike...clear as mud but will try and take that all in. Ernest Watkins was my great-grandfather and I see he is mentioned. His sons Clifford & William (Billy) lived there for many years, Billy finally moving out to the retirement houses (St Johns Road) in the 1970's. I think by then the council had condemned The Manse as uninhabitable
Thank you again for taking the time to shed some light
regards Gill

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