Nurse Hannah Head (Taylor) (General)

by Jan Baker, Monday, January 27, 2020, 10:28 (69 days ago)

Looking for anyone who has a connection with Nurse Head. She lived in Staunton and travelled around the area nursing sick married to Alfred Head.

Any connection to the Head family living in Coleford

Hannah Head nee Taylor born 1860, looking for her sister Elizabeth Taylor who emigrated to South Africa in 1880s

Nurse Hannah Head (Taylor)

by probinson @, S. Oxon, Saturday, February 01, 2020, 11:47 (64 days ago) @ Jan Baker

On this site's PRs there's a marriage of a Hannah Maria Head (widow) to George Morgan (widower) at Staunton in 1929. Witness Albert Ayres Head. Brides father Henry Taylor.

Can't find any previous marriage records or birth records so did she come from outside the Forest originally?

There's a baptism for Albert Ayres Head, mother Hannah, father Alfred, at Coleford in 1892 so could be a connection to Coleford.

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Peter

Nurse Hannah Head (Taylor)

by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Saturday, February 01, 2020, 12:41 (64 days ago) @ probinson

Ancestry has this marriage,

25/09/1881 Emmanuel Church, Camberwell, Surrey
Alfred HEAD, 38, Widower, Baker, father Robert HEAD, Shoemaker
Hannah TAYLOR, 26, Spinster, father Henry TAYLOR, Blacksmith

Perhaps Hannah spent time in London.

Nurse Hannah Head (Taylor)

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Saturday, February 01, 2020, 16:49 (64 days ago) @ probinson

On this site's PRs there's a marriage of a Hannah Maria Head (widow) to George Morgan (widower) at Staunton in 1929. Witness Albert Ayres Head. Brides father Henry Taylor.

Parish Records also have;

Record_ID: 337404
Entry_Number: 647
Year: 1935
Month: Dec
Day: 31
Surname: MORGAN
Forenames: Hannah Maria
Residence: Staunton Coleford Glos
Age_at_death: 75 years
Officiating_Minister: L W E Aylmer Kelly Asst Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC310 1/11
Page_No: 81
Parish_Chapel: Staunton
Soundex: M625

Which confirms born abt 1860 as per o/p.


Cannot yet find a definite "matching" Burial Record for George Morgan.

I wonder if he's on the 1939 Register ?

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Re witness Albert, "youngest son of Alfred Head, and a resident of Coleford";

Record_ID: 66125
Entry_Number:
Year: 1916
Month: Jan
Day: 30
Grooms_Surname: HEAD
Grooms_Forenames: Albert Ayres
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Coleford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Head
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Alfred
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: BEVAN
Brides_Forenames: Hilda Mary
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Fishponds, Bristol
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Bevan
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Alfred
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Rev W Stanley Brownless
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: The groom is the youngest son and the bride is the only daughter
Notes:
Register_Reference: Place of Marriage - Fishponds All Saints
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Gloucester Journal Newspaper Report
Soundex_Groom: H300
Soundex_Bride: B150


The PRs have these siblings, all baptised same day as Albert, but how old were they ?;

Record_ID: 103199
Entry_Number:
Year: 1892
Month: Aug
Day: 10
Parents_Surname: HEAD
Child_Forenames: Alice Elizabeth Ann
Fathers_Forenames: Alfred
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Albert Road Coleford
Occupation: Baker
Officiating_Minister: A W Cornwall
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P93 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 16
Parish_Chapel: Coleford
Soundex: H300

Record_ID: 103200
Entry_Number:
Year: 1892
Month: Aug
Day: 10
Parents_Surname: HEAD
Child_Forenames: George Witford
Fathers_Forenames: Alfred
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Albert Road Coleford
Occupation: Baker
Officiating_Minister: A W Cornwall
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: Confirm forename spelt Witford
Register_Reference: P93 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 16
Parish_Chapel: Coleford
Soundex: H300

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Re the above Baptisms;

Searching whole UK FreeBMD database for all "George W Head", this is the only match for George Witford Head, AND it's in our district AND timeframe too !


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1887
HEAD George Whitford Monmouth 11a 19


Searching again as an unusual name, cannot find a definite Marriage, but can find this perfect match. Wandsworth is in south/central London.

Surname First name(s) DoB District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1970 (>99%)
HEAD George Whitford 1De1886 Wandsworth 5e 1208


And Alice;

Record_ID: 151855
Entry_Number: 45
Year: 1922
Month: Feb
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: HUNT
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: 40
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Waggoner
Grooms_Residence: Redbrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: HUNT
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Edwin
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miller
Brides_Surname: HEAD
Brides_Forenames: Alice Elizabeth Ann
Brides_Age: 37
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Redbrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: HEAD
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Alfred
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Baker
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Edwin James Mitchell
Witness_2: Lillan Hunt
Other_Witnesses: Gertrude Midwinter
Officiating_Minister: R Hamilton Evered Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/14
Page_Number: 23
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: H530
Soundex_Bride: H300

So Alice def born abt 1885.

FreeBMD confirms;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Sep 1884
Head Alice Elizabeth A Camberwell 1d 943

So Alice was born in Camberwell (see below), south/central London, and very near the aforementioned Wandsworth district.


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Only two other Alfred Head PRs in the whole database (there are only 132 HEADs in total), both our family;

Record_ID: 77975
Entry_Number: 2954
Year: 1928
Month: Jan
Day: 12
Surname: HEAD
Forenames: Alfred
Residence: Retired Baker

Age_at_death: 87
Officiating_Minister: Rev[eren]d C H M Fasson
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) 33 Newland St[reet] Coleford (2) [not stated] (3) CC 18 (4) Consecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25 / 204 / 30
Page_No: 47
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery
Soundex: H300

So born abt 1841.

This record for Alfred Head, ex-baker of Coleford, seems a very good match with the Marriage record to Hannah Taylor in Camberwell London found by Mike Pinchin; it seems both slightly adjusted their ages to reduce the apparent age-gap. Also note Alfred died in 1928, the year before the marriage of widow Hannah Maria Head to George Morgan found by probinson, seeming to indicate the same Hannah.


Sadly;

Record_ID: 75812
Entry_Number: 808
Year: 1885
Month: Jan
Day: 4
Surname: HEAD
Forenames: Alfred and James
Residence: Son of Alfred Head and Hannah his wife
Age_at_death: 2
Officiating_Minister: Thomas Williams
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Coleford (2) South Div'n 1/2 Adults Gr (3) F 32 west (4) Unconsecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25/204/2
Page_No: 41
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery
Soundex: H300

So Alfred "and James" ???, born abt 1883, which seems in line with the siblings.

???

Nurse Hannah Head (Taylor)

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Saturday, February 01, 2020, 19:57 (63 days ago) @ Jefff

Searching the family in the Census using FamilySearch gives;

1911 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Alfred Head Head M 70 BAKER UNEMPLOYED. England
Hannah Head Wife F 47 MONTHLY NURSE. Woolwich, Kent
Albert Head Son M 19 Single. TRAVELER DRAPER'S. Coleford
Alice Head Daughter F 27 Single. AT HOME. Camberwell London, London
Arthur Wilson Boarder F 30 Single. ENGINEER CYCLE SHOP. Coleford, Gloucestershire


1901 Coleford,St Johns Parish, Gloucestershire, England.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Alfred Head Head M 59 GARDENER NOT DOMESTIC. London
Alice Head Daughter F 17 DOMESTIC SERVANT. London
George Head Son M 14 PRINTER. Coleford, Gloucestershire
Albert H Head Son M 9 Coleford, Gloucestershire

So Hannah was born abt 1861, but was it Glos or Woolwich, censuses disagree ??.
Not a rare name anywhere, including central London at this time, but could this be her ??

Surname Given Name District Volume Page
Births Mar 1860
TAYLOR Hannah Maria Monmouth 11a 27


1891 Newland, St Johns Parish, Monmouthshire
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Alfred Head Head M 48 Biscuit maker. Wallwick, Kent, England
Hannah Head Wife F 30 Wife. Gloucestershire, England
Ann Taylor Mother In Law F 75 Widowed. Retired laundress. Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
George Head Son M 4 Gloucestershire, England
Alice Head Daughter F 7 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England

FreeBMD;
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1881
Head Alfred Camberwell 1d 1136
TAYLOR Hannah Camberwell 1d 1136


1881 St Georges Rd, Camberwell, London,Surrey, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Jane Steward Head F 42 Larkhall, Somerset, England
Minnie Steward Daughter F 11 Newington, Surrey, England
Alfred Head Lodger M 39 Widower. Confectioner. Woolwich, Kent, England


FreeBMD;
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1874
Bartholomew Ann Camberwell 1d 700
Head Alfred Camberwell 1d 700
STEVENS Alice Elizabeth Camberwell 1d 700


1871 Peckham St Mary Magdalen, Surrey, England, United Kingdom
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Robert J Head Head M 59 Boat Builder. Bury Saint Edmunds, Suffolk
Ann Head Wife F 63 Chelsea, Middlesex
Alfred Head Son M 30 Confectioner. Woolwich, Kent
Harriet Head Daughter F 23 Machinist. Bury Saint Edmunds, Suffolk
William Head Son M 21 Clerk. Bury Saint Edmunds, Suffolk

NB:
This Parish was in Camberwell, aka Southwark districts.
Alfred's father was given as Robert in record of Marriage to Hannah in 1881.


1861 Willowbrook Terrace Hill Street, Camberwell, Surrey, England, United Kingdom
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Butcher Head M 46 Widowed. Wholesale Confectioner. Dorchester, Oxfordshire
Frances Pardon Cousin F 30 Single. Housekeeper. Ottery St Mary, Devonshire
Alfred Head Servant M 22 Confectioner. Woolwich, Kent

Nurse Hannah Taylor, and Elizabeth etc

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Saturday, February 01, 2020, 21:00 (63 days ago) @ Jefff

If as seems likely judging by most Censuses, Hannah Maria Taylor was indeed born abt 1861 in Coleford area.

FamilySearch;

1871 Coleford, Monmouthshire, Wales, United Kingdom
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Henry Taylor Head M 52 Stone Quarryman. Coleford, Gloucestershire
Ann Taylor Wife F 50 Charwoman. Coleford, Gloucestershire
Hannah M Taylor Daughter F 10 Coleford, Gloucestershire
William H Taylor Grandson M 3 Monmouthshire

NB: Hannah's 1881 marriage record gave her father as Henry, a blacksmith, so a reasonable fit.

Searching PRs for William, this could be him ??.

Record_ID: 351030
Entry_Number:
Year: 1867
Month: Dec
Day: 30
Parents_Surname: TAYLOR
Child_Forenames: William Henry
Fathers_Forenames: not stated
Mothers_Forenames: Fanny
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Newland
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: H Marr/Wm Pearce Master
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [born] Dec 20th; Male; Illegitimate
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number: 2
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth Workhouse
Soundex: T460


1861 Whitecliff, Newland, Coleford, Monmouthshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Henry Taylor Head M 41 Agricultural labourer. Coleford, Gloucestershire
Ann Taylor Wife F 38 Washerwoman. Coleford, Gloucestershire
Fanny Taylor Daughter F 12 Coleford, Gloucestershire
Benjamin Taylor Son M 10 Coleford, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Taylor Daughter F 2 Coleford, Gloucestershire
Hannah Taylor Daughter F 1 Coleford, Gloucestershire

NB: my first sighting of Hannah's sister Elizabeth.

REALLY STRUGGLING TO FIND LATER RECORDS FOR THIS ELIZABETH, EVEN THE 1871 CENSUS.
A VERY COMMONPLACE NAME LOCALLY !!


1881 Albert Road, Newland (Gloucs), Monmouthshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Henry Taylor Head M 62 General labourer. Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Ann Taylor Wife F 62 Charwoman. West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
William H Taylor Grand Son M 14 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, England
Elizabeth J Constant Visitor F 5 Newland, Gloucestershire, England
John B Constant Visitor M 2 Pandy, Monmouthshire, England


Record_ID: 76543
Entry_Number: 1534
Year: 1899
Month: Aug
Day: 29
Surname: TAYLOR
Forenames: Ann
Residence: Widow
Age_at_death: 83
Officiating_Minister: C E Saunders
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Albert Road Coleford (2) South Div: Adult Gr. (3) Z 2 (4) Consecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25/204/2
Page_No: 77
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery
Soundex: T460


A possible for Henry - Nailmaker has similar skills to blacksmith and even quarryman ??

Record_ID: 75669
Entry_Number: 665
Year: 1881
Month: Nov
Day: 3
Surname: TAYLOR
Forenames: Henry
Residence: Nail Maker
Age_at_death: 66
Officiating_Minister: Tho[ma]s Williams
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Coleford (2) South Div'n Adults Gr (3) F 33 (4) Unconsecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25/204/2
Page_No: 34
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery
Soundex: T460

Studying results off FreeBMD suggests this is our man, as "proven" below.

Record_ID: 151137
Entry_Number: 327
Year: 1844
Month: Nov
Day: 9
Grooms_Surname: TAYLOR
Grooms_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Age: of full age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Nailer
Grooms_Residence: Whitecliff
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: none stated
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: none stated
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: none stated
Brides_Surname: JAMES
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age: of full age
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: none stated
Brides_Residence: Whitecliff
Brides_Fathers_Surname: none stated
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: none stated
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: none stated
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Samuel Bird
Witness_2: Mark of Mary Jones
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: George Ridout Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 164
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: T460
Soundex_Bride: J520


1851 Newland St, Newland, Monmouthshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Henry Taylor Head M 30 Nailmaker. Newland, Gloucestershire
Anna Taylor Wife F 30 Newland, Gloucestershire
Sarah Ann Taylor Daughter F 5 Newland, Gloucestershire
Fanny Taylor Daughter F 2 Newland, Gloucestershire
Benjamin Taylor Son M 0 Newland, Gloucestershire


1841 Sidbrook, St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England, United Kingdom
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Thomas Taylor M 50 Gloucestershire
Henry Taylor M 19 Gloucestershire
Thomas Taylor M 14 Gloucestershire


Alice HEAD and John HUNT, Chepstow

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, February 09, 2020, 02:20 (56 days ago) @ Jefff


Record_ID: 151855
Entry_Number: 45
Year: 1922
Month: Feb
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: HUNT
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: 40
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Waggoner
Grooms_Residence: Redbrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: HUNT
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Edwin
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miller
Brides_Surname: HEAD
Brides_Forenames: Alice Elizabeth Ann
Brides_Age: 37
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Redbrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: HEAD
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Alfred
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Baker
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Edwin James Mitchell
Witness_2: Lillan Hunt
Other_Witnesses: Gertrude Midwinter
Officiating_Minister: R Hamilton Evered Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/14
Page_Number: 23
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: H530
Soundex_Bride: H300

So Alice def born abt 1885.
and groom John Hunt (widower) born abt 1882, father Edwin(a miller) and maybe mother or sister Lilian.


Searching the PRs for Alice Elizabeth Ann Hunt's burial gives this possible ?;

Record_ID: 50093
Entry_Number: 486
Year: 1940
Month: Oct
Day: 1
Surname: HUNT
Forenames: Elizabeth Alice
Residence: 15 St Anns Street Chepstow
Age_at_death: 57
Officiating_Minister: Rev[erend] Canon D Hughes
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: [1][Date of death] 27.9.40 [2]Consecrated ground Plot A [number of grave] 127
Notes: Place or Parish from which the Body was brought Chepstow. Signature of Person making the Entry of Burial M Turner
Register_Reference: G
Page_No: 61
Parish_Chapel: Chepstow Municipal Cemetery
Soundex: H530

So again confirms Alice born abt 1883.

FreeBMD confirms it's our Alice;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Deaths Sep 1940 (>99%)
Hunt Alice E A 57 Chepstow 11a 22


Sadly she lost her husband several years earlier, I wonder why so young ?
This site doesn't have an Inquest for him. Neither can my admittedly short search find any mention of his death in the BNA old newspapers site.

???


Record_ID: 48661
Entry_Number: 60
Year: 1918
Month: Jan
Day: 26
Surname: HUNT
Forenames: John
Residence: 34 Lower Church S[tree]t Chepstow
Age_at_death: 42 years
Officiating_Minister: Rev[erend] D Hughes
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: [1]Labourer [2]M[ale] [3][By whom Certificate was given under Burial Laws Amendment Act 1880] Alice Hunt [4][place of burial] Plot H [5][Consecrated ground] Yes
Notes:
Register_Reference: E
Page_No: 3
Parish_Chapel: Chepstow Municipal Cemetery
Soundex: H530

So suggests John was actually older than he claimed in his marriage day, born abt 1876.

No matches in the FoD PRs.

???

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So Alice is buried in Chepstow Cemetery, Plot A, grave 127. I think this is the same cemetery but not certain.
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2411492/chepstow-cemetery

The Cemetery Service is managed by the Cemeteries Officer, tel 01873 735852, cemeteries@monmouthshire.gov.uk
https://www.monmouthshire.gov.uk/services/the-register-office/deaths-and-cemeteries/cem...

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For completeness perhaps someone could please lookup Alice & John in the 1939 Register, thanks.

Alice HEAD and John HUNT, Chepstow

by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Sunday, February 09, 2020, 10:37 (56 days ago) @ Jefff

Ancestry 1939 Register, 15, St Ann’s Street, Chepstow

HUNT John, Male, 26th June 1881, Married, Flour Miller and Mill Wright
Two redacted entries
HUNT Alice E, Female, 11th June 1884, Married, Unpaid Domestic Duties

Alice HEAD and John HUNT, Chepstow

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, February 09, 2020, 18:40 (56 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin

Thanks for that Mike !

Interesting John was "in fact" born in 1881. ???

Seeing as Alice's father was a baker, and John was a waggoner, quite possibly working for his father who was a miller, it seems reasonable to think the couple met as a result of their parent's work.

Despite several searches struggling to definitely find John, or Edwin, in the earlier Censuses, locally or elsewhere.
???

However searching Lilian Hunt, witness at his wedding, I eventually find this record which seems relevant, our John's daughter ? (presumably from his previous marriage).

Record_ID: 40045
Entry_Number: 51
Year: 1932
Month: Feb
Day: 20
Grooms_Surname: MORRIS
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: 28
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Bus Driver
Grooms_Residence: Usk [?]
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Morris
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Fred
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: HUNT
Brides_Forenames: Lillian Beatrice
Brides_Age: 25
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Coleford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hunt
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Miller

Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: Alexander Hook
Witness_2: J Hunt
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: C. Hubert of Fasson Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Groom's father Deceased
Notes:
Register_Reference: P93/1 IN 1/23
Page_Number: 26
Parish_Chapel: Coleford
Soundex_Groom: M620
Soundex_Bride: H530

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1932
Hunt Lillian B Morris Monmouth 11a 30
Morris Thomas Hunt Monmouth 11a 30

So Lillian was born abt 1907.

GlosBMD has;
Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
HUNT Lilian Beatrice DAVIES 1906 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 62 366
HUNT Lilian Beatrice MOORE 1906 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 62 366


FamilySearch gives;

1911 Newland, Coleford, Monmouthshire, England UK
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Hunt Head M 29 Flour miller. Filkins Oxford, Oxfordshire
Jane Hunt Wife F 34 Redbrook, Gloucestershire
Lillian Hunt Daughter F 5 school. Redbrook, Gloucestershire
Arthur Hunt Son M 0 Redbrook, Gloucestershire
May Moore Ste Daughter F 15 Redbrook, Gloucestershire

Which helpfully confirms the GlosBMD record which showed Jane Hunt nee Davies was previously married to a Moore.

Despite age discrepancy this looks relevant;

Record_ID: 396858
Entry_Number: 306
Year: 1909
Month: Apr
Day: 18
Parents_Surname: HUNT
Child_Forenames: Arthur John
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Upper Redbrook
Occupation: Miller
Officiating_Minister: Ranulph H Evered Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/24
Page_Number: 39
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: H530


Record_ID: 396822
Entry_Number: 270
Year: 1906
Month: Mar
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: HUNT
Child_Forenames: Lilian Beatrice
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Upper Redbrook
Occupation: Miller
Officiating_Minister: Ranulph H Evered Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: at Redbrook Church
Notes: memo in left hand margin
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/24
Page_Number: 34
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: H530


Record_ID: 396930
Entry_Number: 378
Year: 1914
Month: Jun
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: HUNT
Child_Forenames: Dorothy Margaret
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Upper Redbrook
Occupation: Warehouseman
Officiating_Minister: Ranulph H Evered Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: at Redbrook Church
Notes: memo in left hand margin
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/24
Page_Number: 48
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: H530

Not a miller anymore ?.

Struggling to find any later records for Dorothy.
??

Record_ID: 151884
Entry_Number: 24
Year: 1931
Month: Dec
Day: 5
Grooms_Surname: HUNT
Grooms_Forenames: Arthur John
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Tinplate Worker
Grooms_Residence: Redbrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Hunt
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miller
Brides_Surname: HUNT
Brides_Forenames: Mabel Agnes
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Redbrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hunt
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Haulier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Francis James Simmonds
Witness_2: Olive May Trotter
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John Griffin Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Bride's father deceased
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/15
Page_Number: 12
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: H530
Soundex_Bride: H530

Is Mabel a cousin etc given her father's trade etc ?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1913
Hunt Mabel A Beach Monmouth 11a 50

Her possible parents ?

Record ID 138795
Entry Number
Year 1894
Month Aug
Day 18
Grooms Surname HUNT
Grooms Forenames Samuel
Grooms Age 21
Groom Condition bachelor
Grooms Occupation labourer
Grooms Residence Weirhead St Monmouth
Grooms Fathers Surname Hunt
Grooms Fathers Forenames James
Grooms Fathers Occupation farmer
Brides Surname BEACH
Brides Forenames Isabella Maria
Brides Age 23
Brides Condition spinster
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence Buckholt
Brides Fathers Surname Beach
Brides Fathers Forenames James
Brides Fathers Occupation labourer
Licence or Banns banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark both sign
Witness 1 Wm Beach
Witness 2 Annie Mason
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference
Page Number
Parish Chapel Monmouth
Soundex Groom H530
Soundex Bride B200


Searching Mary Jane Davies' earlier marriage to a Moore, a possible ?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1896
Davies Mary Jane Monmouth 11a 57
Moore Theophilus Monmouth 11a 57

(cont)

Alice HEAD and John HUNT, Chepstow

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Monday, February 10, 2020, 01:05 (55 days ago) @ Jefff

This seems a good match !

Record_ID: 151791
Entry_Number: 481
Year: 1896
Month: Jun
Day: 30
Grooms_Surname: MOORE
Grooms_Forenames: Theophilus
Grooms_Age: 70
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Miller
Grooms_Residence: Upper Mill Redbrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Morse
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miller
Brides_Surname: DAVIES
Brides_Forenames: Mary Jane
Brides_Age: 22
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Davies
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Luke
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Oliver F. Oldland
Witness_2: Mark of Ann Oldland
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Ranolph H. Evered Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/13
Page_Number: 241
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: M600
Soundex_Bride: D120

So MARY Jane Davies was born abt 1874, a fair match for the 1911 census quote earlier.


Record_ID: 267462
Entry_Number: 1691
Year: 1903
Month: Jul
Day: 6
Surname: MOORE
Forenames: Theophilus
Residence: Upper Redbrrook
Age_at_death: 78
Officiating_Minister: Ranulph H. Evered Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/27
Page_No: 212
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: M600

Explains why I couldn't find Mary Jane with John Hunt in 1901 census.

Record_ID: 396688
Entry_Number: 136
Year: 1898
Month: May
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: MOORE
Child_Forenames: Edith Catherine Jane
Fathers_Forenames: Theophilus
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Upper Mill Redbrook
Occupation: Miller
Officiating_Minister: Ranulph H Evered Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: at Redbrook Church
Notes: memo in left hand margin
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/24
Page_Number: 17
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: M600

Sadly

Record_ID: 267444
Entry_Number: 1673
Year: 1901
Month: Jul
Day: 6
Surname: MOORE
Forenames: Edith
Residence: Upper Redbrook
Age_at_death: 3
Officiating_Minister: Ranulph H. Evered Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/27
Page_No: 210
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: M600

But still gives us;

1901 Newland All Saints to Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England, United Kingdom
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Theos Moore Head M 75 Baker. Penalt, Monmouthshire
Mary J Moore Wife F 27 Redbrook, Gloucestershire
Frances M Moore Daughter F 5 Redbrook, Gloucestershire
Edith C Moore Daughter F 3 Redbrook, Gloucestershire

Looks like "Frances M" = "May" in the 1911 census?
Cannot find any other records for her tho ??

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1891 Newland, Monmouthshire
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Theophilus Moore Head M 64 Miller & Corn Merchant. Monmouthshire, England
Sarah Moore Wife F 65 Gloucestershire, England
Mary Jane Davis Servant F 17 Gloucestershire, Newland


1881
Event Place: Newland (Gloucs), Monmouthshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Theophilus Moor Head M 54 Miller. Penalt, Monmouthshire, England
Sarah Moor Wife F 57 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England
George Smith Nephew M 28 Miller. Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England


1871 Upper Redbrook, Monmouthshire, Wales, United Kingdom
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Theophilus Moore Head M 46 Miller. Penalt, Monmouthshire
Sarah Moore Wife F 46 Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Smith Niece F 13 Scholar. Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
George Healing Servant M 22 Gardener. Coleford, Gloucestershire

Name: Theophilus Moore
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 08 Dec 1856
Event Place: Newport, St Woolos, Monmouthshire, Wales
Age: Full
Spouse's Name: Sarah Izarel
"Wales, Monmouthshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912," database, FamilySearch

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1881 Lower Redbrook Bunkers Hill, Newland (Gloucs), Monmouthshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Luke Davis Head M 54 Widower. Labr In Tin Plate Works. Shropshire, England
George Davis Son M 16 Roller Tin Plate Works. Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England
James Davis Son M 8 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England
Jane Davis Daughter F 7 Scholar. Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England
Emily Davis Daughter F 5 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England
Henry Powell Stepson M 18 Drawer In Tin Plate Works. Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Howel Housekeeper F 60 Widow. Housekeeper Com Serv. Staunton, Gloucestershire, England
Emily Howel Visitor F 24 Com Serv Nurse Out Employ. Tippingdale, Staffordshire, England


Redbrook has a long history of metal-working, back to the copper works of the 1700s. The village name is derived from when the brook thro' the village looked dark red due to the local iron ore deposits.
http://www.overlookingthewye.org.uk/index.php/hidden-industry/redbrook/redbrook-history...

Re Redbrook tinplate works see, as just one example;
https://www.redbrookvillage.co.uk/history.html

Young George and Henry's jobs demanded great skill and physical fitness in very difficult hot conditions.
This site has several old photos of Redbrook including the tinplate works, eg
https://www.sungreen.co.uk/Redbrook/Redbrook-Tinworks-1900.htm
https://www.sungreen.co.uk/Redbrook/Tinplate-Works-c1914.html
etc


FamilySearch;

1871 Upper Redbrook, Coleford, Monmouthshire, Wales, United Kingdom
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Luke Davis Head M 44 Labourer At Iron Foundry. Shiffnall, Shropshire
Eliza Davis Wife F 42 Redbrook, Gloucestershire
George T Davis Son M 5 Scholar. Redbrook, Gloucestershire

Name: Luke Davies
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 5 Nov 1826
Event Place: Shifnal, Shropshire, England, United Kingdom
Father's Name: Thomas Davies
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Davies

Name: George Thomas Davis
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 09 Jul 1865
Christening Date (Original): 09 JUL 1865
Christening Place: NEWLAND,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Luke Davis
Mother's Name: Eliza


??
Name: Mary Jane Davis
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 24 May 1874
Christening Date (Original): 24 MAY 1874
Christening Place: NEWLAND,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Luke Davis
Mother's Name: Caroline

Alice HEAD and John HUNT, Chepstow

by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Monday, February 10, 2020, 19:58 (54 days ago) @ Jefff

It looks like John and Edwin were in the Cotswolds area in earlier times:-

GR 1891 Census, Hill Barn, Yanworth, Northleach, Glos
Edwin HUNT, Head Mar, 49, Ag. Lab., Oxon. Swincombe(?) Swyncombe?
Sophia, Wife, Mar, 42, Glos, Aldsworth
William, Son, S, 19, Ag. Lab., Glos, Aldsworth
James, Son, S, 16, Ag. Lab., Glos, Poulton
Rose Hannah, Daur, 13, Glos. Aldsworth
John, Son, 9, Glos, Filkins (actually Oxon)
Margaret, Daur, 1, Glos, Aldsworth

GR 1901 Census, Yanworth, Glos.
Edwin HUNT, Head, Mar, 59, Ordinary Ag. Lab., Oxon. Swincombe(?)Swyncombe?
Sophia, Wife, Mar, 57, Glos, Aldsworth
John, Son, 19, Carpenters Labourer, Oxon. Filkins
Margaret, Daur, 11, Glos, Aldsworth

Nurse Hannah Head (Taylor)

by probinson @, S. Oxon, Saturday, February 01, 2020, 20:16 (63 days ago) @ Jan Baker

There's a tree on Ancestry for, what appears to be, the family. But it has Elizabeth living in the Coleford area all her life.

Might help if you could say what information you already have for the family and what makes you think Elizabeth emigrated.

--
Peter

Elizabeth Taylor born abt 1859 Whitecliff Newland area ??

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Saturday, February 01, 2020, 22:26 (63 days ago) @ probinson

Just to echo Peter's query re Elizabeth's emigrating, need more help please.

Despite extensive searching I'm really struggling to find her later than as a toddler in the 1861 Census, she's not with her parents and family in 1871 ??.

Did she marry, if so when and to whom ?

There are a few girls of her nameset & approx birthdate & birthplace in our area in the 1870s or thereabouts, but I cannot find her for definite.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if this has confused previous researchers, perhaps including the Ancestry trees.

????

Thanks, J

Elizabeth Taylor born abt 1859 Whitecliff Newland area ??

by probinson @, S. Oxon, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 10:00 (63 days ago) @ Jefff

Think you're correct Jeff. I've checked the facts of the tree I found on Ancestry and they have the wrong Elizabeth.

I do have her in the 1871 census though, working at the Travellers rest in Whitecliff.

--
Peter

Elizabeth Taylor born abt 1859 Whitecliff Newland area ??

by MPGriffiths @, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 10:32 (63 days ago) @ probinson

1939 Census

Coalway, Coleford

KEAR Ann Elizabeth - birth date: 16 October 1865 - Widow - Unpaid Domestic Duties
MORGAN George - birth date 12 June 1861 - Single, Blacksmith Retired
WORGAN Henry G - birth date Jan 16 1910 - Retired Coal Hewer
HODGES Fanny - Widow birth date : 22 July 1869 - Household duties


Burial at Staunton

14 December 1940

George MORGAN

residence: Coalway Nr Coleford

aged 79 years.


Probate:

MORGAN George of Coalway-Lane End near Coleford, Gloucestershire
died 11 December 1940

Probate: Gloucester 19 February to William Wilfred Stanley BROOKS - miner and
James KILBY blacksmith. Effects: £910 18s 11d.

Elizabeth Taylor born abt 1859 Whitecliff Newland area ??

by MPGriffiths @, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 10:42 (63 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

re: William Wilfred Stanley BROOKS

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Fod Records

Gloucester Journal Newspaper Report

Place of Marriage: Monmouth

8 April 1919

William Wilfred Stanley BROOKS

residence: Drybrook near Ellwood

father: Frederick BROOKS

Florence Ella Dorothy MORGAN

residence: Holly Dean, Mile End, near Coleford

father: Frederick MORGAN

Memoranda: The groom is the eldest son and the bride is the only daughter.

Elizabeth Taylor born abt 1859 Whitecliff Newland area ??

by MPGriffiths @, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 10:50 (63 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

1911 Census

Staunton Nr Coleford, Gloucestershire

George MORGAN aged 49 - married 21 years - No children (marriage c1890)
Blacksmith partly at Home, Staunton Iron Ore Co born Glos West Dean

Elizabeth MORGAN aged 48 born, Glos. Staunton.


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1901 Census, Staunton, Glos

Post Office

George MORGAN - Married - aged 39 - Blacksmith, born Glos West Dean
Elizabeth MORGAN - wife - aged 38 - born Staunton
Eliza POWELL - mother-in-law - Widow - aged 74, Sub Post Mistress, born English Bicknor.

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George MORGAN
Eliza Ann POWELL - Forest of Dean, Monmouth, Register Office, 1889

Elizabeth Taylor born abt 1859 Whitecliff Newland area ??

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 17:04 (63 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Thanks MPG for lookingup George in the 1939, and so tracing his other records.
J

Elizabeth Taylor born abt 1859 Whitecliff Newland area ??

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 17:01 (63 days ago) @ probinson

Thankyou Peter, very helpful.

Think this is her on the 1871, Familysearch aren't specific regarding exact addresses.
Took me a little while to find this record as her given age didn't quite match what I was looking for.

1871 Coleford, Monmouthshire, Wales, United Kingdom
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Henry Burton Head M 33 Innkeeper & Labourer. St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Burton Wife F 26 East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Burton Son M 0 Newland, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Taylor Servant F 14 Newland, Gloucestershire

Looking up the Traveller's Rest in Geoff Sandles' revamped and truly excellent website confirms a Henry Burton was indeed keeping this inn c1871.
Lots of history of this and other FoD pubs here
http://www.gloucestershirepubs.co.uk/Forest_of_Dean_Coleford.php


I did try looking for Elizabeth in South Africa, but it seems that FamilySearch don't have those records as I'd hoped they would.


???

Elizabeth Taylor born abt 1859 Whitecliff Newland area ??

by shepway @, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 18:45 (63 days ago) @ Jefff

I believe Elizabeth was born 1857. This is her registration from Glos BMD:
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
TAYLOR Elizabeth Jane JAMES 1857 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 13 95

and FreeBMD:
Births Sep 1857
Taylor Elizabeth Jane Monmouth 11a 22

Mike

Elizabeth Taylor born abt 1859 Whitecliff Newland area ??

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 19:15 (63 days ago) @ shepway

Thanks Mike,
that makes interesting comparison with the record I quoted for older brother Benjamin, which also gave mother's maiden name as JAMES and not Jones.

??

However it does seem odd to say the least that the 1861 Census quotes Elizabeth as 2 years old, and not 4 ??

That's assuming, perhaps foolishly, that the LDS / FamilySearch transcript is correct, I've not seen the original image.

???

Curiouser and curiouser.

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LATER UPDATE re Shepway's posts !

Sorry, my mistake, first line is in error, should have read JOYNES and not James.
Can't even understand me own posts now...

Elizabeth Taylor born abt 1859 Whitecliff Newland area ??

by probinson @, S. Oxon, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 21:21 (62 days ago) @ Jefff

The 1861 definitely has her as 2 years old and Hannah as 14 months.

--
Peter

Elizabeth Taylor death in SA

by probinson @, S. Oxon, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 21:24 (62 days ago) @ probinson

I've found an unsubstantiated (by me) reference that Elizabeth died 2 Jul 1895, Barberton, Mpumalanga, South Africa.

--
Peter

Elizabeth Taylor born abt 1859 Whitecliff Newland area ??

by probinson @, S. Oxon, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 21:27 (62 days ago) @ probinson

However, the 1871 census has her as 14 which would agree with 1857.

--
Peter

Elizabeth Taylor born abt 1859 Whitecliff Newland area ??

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 21:56 (62 days ago) @ probinson

Good point, well made !.

Altho I did wonder if she was trying to seem older than she actually was because of her job. Altho I guess it didn't matter in those days ??

Elizabeth Taylor born abt 1859 Whitecliff Newland area ??

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 21:54 (62 days ago) @ probinson

Thanks again Peter.

Elizabeth Taylor born abt 1859 Whitecliff Newland area ??

by shepway @, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 21:28 (62 days ago) @ Jefff

You posted the marriage of parents - Henry Taylor to Ann James and Glos BMD. gives us following children:

Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
TAYLOR Sarah Anne JAMES 1845 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 4 96
TAYLOR Fanny JAMES 1848 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 5 343
TAYLOR John Henry JAMES 1852 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 9 41
TAYLOR Elizabeth JaneJAMES 1857 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 13 95
TAYLOR Hannah Maria JAMES 1860 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 15 355

This is the transcript for Benjamin:
TAYLOR Benjamin JOYNES 1850 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 7 187

Mike

Elizabeth Taylor born abt 1859 Whitecliff Newland area ??

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 22:14 (62 days ago) @ shepway

Hi again Mike,
apologies for getting my JAMES and my JOYNES in a twist when mentioning Benjamin's birth record, not sure why I did that especially after confirming it was JAMES on my earlier post.

Thanks for helping me see the woods for the trees.

J

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Still confused why GlosBMD have JOYNES as Benjamin's mother tho.
Could this mean she (Ann) had been married previously ?

Or just a transcript error ?

Or is Ann not Ben's mother ?

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Maybe best stick to searching Hannah & Elizabeth, as per the question haha

Benjamin Taylor born 1850, Whitecliff Newland area ??

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 17:28 (63 days ago) @ probinson

Hi again Peter,
I don't know if it will help us find Elizabeth, but have you tried looking for older brother Benjamin born 1851 ?

I cannot find him after the 1861 when he was still at home, as per my earlier post.

Thanks in advance if you're able to help,
J

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FreeBMD;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Sep 1850
Taylor Benjamin Monmouth 26 91


GlosBMD has;

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
TAYLOR Benjamin JOYNES 1850 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 7 187

Suggests his mother was Ann JOYNES/JONES, and not JAMES as per the Marriage PR I posted earlier, especially as one of the witnesses was a Mary Jones.
However revisiting Henry and Ann's marriage in 1844, suggests not.


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1844
JAMES Ann Monmouth 26 89
TAYLOR Henry Monmouth 26 89


Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
TAYLOR Henry JAMES Ann Forest of Dean Newland All Saints 1844 1 327

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NOT a particularly rare name, but if he stayed local, could this be him ?
It's the most likely I can find in Glos or Mons on FreeBMD.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1884
GOULDSTONE Elizabeth Mary Chepstow 11a 5
Taylor Benjamin Chepstow 11a 5

FamilySearch gives;

Name: Elizabeth Mary Gouldstone
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Sep 1885
Event Place: Caerwent, Monmouthshire, Wales
Age: Full
Spouse's Name: Benjamin Taylor

Cannot find the couple in 1891 etc censuses.

??

Benjamin Taylor born 1850, Whitecliff Newland area ??

by probinson @, S. Oxon, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 18:27 (63 days ago) @ Jefff

Other trees on Ancestry have his death in 1871 in Pontypool. There is such a record but no real evidence it's him other than an age match.

--
Peter

Benjamin Taylor born 1850, Whitecliff Newland area ??

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 18:30 (63 days ago) @ probinson

Thanks Peter.

Elizabeth Jane Taylor

by probinson @, S. Oxon, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 21:50 (62 days ago) @ Jan Baker

There is a very interesting, and pretty complete, tree on Ancestry that has the following information:

Elizabeth Jane Taylor

Married to George Gordon Duncan (1859-1935), 15 June 1884, Port Elizabeth, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

Children:

George Benjamin Taylor Duncan (1886-1943)
James Henry Sievewright Duncan (1888- 1976)
Florence Duncan (1891-1969)
Alexander John Duncan (1892-1980)

Death: 2 Jul 1895, Barberton, Mpumalanga, South Africa.

There's some supporting South African documents that I'm not able to view. But there is a death certificate that confirms her death and the names and ages of her children.

There is also a baptism record for her son George who was baptised in Coleford, 6 June 1886. Abode is Port Elizabeth SA.

There's probably a lot more information in this tree but that's as far as I've read. If you have access to Ancestry, the link is https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/68491401/person/432043100897/facts

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Peter

Elizabeth Jane Taylor

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, February 02, 2020, 22:36 (62 days ago) @ probinson

Thanks Peter.

That does seem fairly conclusive, especially given the Baptism record in Coleford, and possibly their choice of second names (Benjamin & Henry) for couple of their sons.

Also matches well with Mike Shepway's posts.

Thanks all, think we got there in the end.

Nurse Hannah Head (Taylor) - Funeral report.

by probinson @, S. Oxon, Monday, February 03, 2020, 15:03 (62 days ago) @ Jan Baker

"STAUNTON
THE LATE MRS. GEORGE MORGAN
As briefly announced in our obituary column last week, the death occurred in the early hours of Sunday, December 29th, after a short illness, of Mrs. George Morgan (75), of Victoria Cottage, Staunton. The deceased was a daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. Henry Taylor of Coleford. She first married the late Mr. Alfred Head, a Londoner, who carried on business in the metropolis as a baker and confectioner. Owing to the latter's ill-health, Mr and Mrs. Head later came to Coleford to reside. The wife entered the nursing profession and became a certified midwife. She was more familiarly known as Nurse Head, her services being greatly in demand, and she nursed cases over a wide area extending from the Midlands to Cornwall, her many excellent qualities earning her numerous testimonials. Nurse Head married Mr. George Morgan in 1929, and is survived by him and by the two sons of her first marriage. The funeral on Tuesday, December 29th at All Saints’, Staunton, was conducted by the Rev. L. W. E. A. Kelly (curate), assisted by the Rev. F. J. Hearn (Baptist minister, Coleford), with Mr. Christie at the organ. The chief mourners were Messrs. G. Morgan (husband), George and Albert Head (sons), J. Hunt. (son-in-law), Ben Constant (nephew), Tom and Fred Morgan (brothers-in-law), Hubert Gwilliam and S. Brooks (nephews), Fred Morgan, Gloucester, Mrs. Walkley, Cromhall, Mrs. A. A. Head and Mrs. F Wintle. Messrs. C. H. Williams, Harold Barnett, S Davidson and A. Turbill acted as bearers, and Mr. S. Wignell. St. John Street, Coleford, carried out the funeral arrangements."

--
Peter

Nurse Hannah Head (Taylor) - Funeral report.

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Monday, February 03, 2020, 16:55 (62 days ago) @ probinson

Brilliant find Peter, puts it all together nicely, thanks.

Nurse Hannah Head (Taylor) - Funeral report.

by Jan Baker, Monday, February 03, 2020, 17:07 (62 days ago) @ probinson

Hi All
I am so sorry I have not replied to the extensive posts I have been away for a few days, to be honest I didn't realise how much interest I would generate, im truly grateful for all the posts, still working my way through them.

I thought you may all be interested in the following:-

Alfred Head first marriage was to Alice Stevens and they lived in Camberwell, Alice and their son Alfred died when the Princess Alice pleasure boat sank in 1878. Alfred was a Baker in the old kent road and was so distraught that he slept on the floor of the bakery until he became ill, hence a stay in hospital nursed by Hannah Taylor, they married and Alice Head daughter was born. The doctors said that Alfred needed clean air for his lungs so the family moved to coleford where Hannahs parents lived and where she was born.

Elizabeth Taylor, Hannahs sister emigrated to South Africa where she met and married George Duncan in Port Elizabeth in 1884. I have found the family tree of the Duncans on Ancestry and have been in contact with a distant cousin. He has confirmed that Hannah was related, what we still cant find or work out is why Elizabeth emigrated, she seems to come back to coleford to give birth to her children and then goes back to SA, she died in Barbeton SA in 1884. George Duncan emigrated from Scotland in 1882 and was a very successful business man during the gold rush, opening general stores and investing in a gold mine.

I have found an entry on the 1881 census for Hannah Marie Taylor as a matron at the millbank prison, although I was unsure at first it was her because of the different birth year given as 1848, previous posts suggest she falsified her dob so could this be her, having printed out the census I find an Alfred Head listed as a soldier from Albury Surrey also on this census, coincidence !! I know that the prison was used as a medical facility,his age doesn't fit either.

would appreciate your thoughts.

kindest regards
Jan

Nurse Hannah Head (Taylor) - Funeral report.

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Monday, February 03, 2020, 18:42 (62 days ago) @ Jan Baker

Good afternoon Jan,
thanks so much for your most interesting message. Yes we try to be helpful here, in my case perhaps I was too keen, but it was fun trying to piece together the story. It also all stays on the forum as a record for the future, so will hopefully be of help to other researchers of the Head & Taylor families.
What a life your family has had, so many twists n turns. Please can I ask a couple of questions, feel fit to only answer what you want to do.

1. What happened to Alfred's first wife Alice after their son died ? Not essential but would like to know out of pure interest if ok with you. The fact his next daughter was also named Alice suggests he didn't completely fall-out with his first wife despite his illness, I do hope so.
And what a terrible coincidence, the boat also being called Alice.... if I was in his position I think I'd be trying to erase that name from my memory, not give it to my next child, ah well.

2. You mention Elizabeth came back to Coleford to give birth to her children - it seemed quite normal in those days to return to your mother for childbirth. However you say children - did she have more than one, I'm not sure we looked for others but I only recall seeing the baptism record for one, George, so if you have other names and dates that would help. Especially if she returned from South Africa to give birth to them.

3. You say Elizabeth died in S.A. in 1884. I hope this is a typo error, and she lived a much longer life than that ?

4. Interesting you mention Hannah may have been at Millbank prison, in Westminster London. That building has itself a very interesting history, it's now the sight of the Tate Britain Gallery !. I don't know how common a nameset this was, but it does seem more than a coincidence and maybe the matron is indeed your Hannah. Have you found her later in life (sorry can't recall if we did in this thread) ? Re the Alfred Head inmate, as soon as I first saw your enquiry I thought there would be a London or Southeast England link, as that's a surname I associate with this area (I've lived in West London for 35 years and know some Heads), but not the Forest. I'm sure there were a great many men called Alfred Head in the area, and I guess the Prison in 1881 had a fair few inmates, so maybe it is just a coincidence ?. Again would be interesting to try and trace his life a little if possible. I see the prison's function changed shortly after the 1881 census, see
https://www.prisonhistory.org/prison/millbank-prison/

I look forward to your thoughts when convenient.
Thanks again for your interesting posts.
atb J

More interesting background reading re Millbank prison..
http://www.choleraandthethames.co.uk/cholera-in-london/cholera-in-westminster/millbank-...

Nurse Hannah Head (Taylor) - Funeral report.

by probinson @, S. Oxon, Monday, February 03, 2020, 20:10 (61 days ago) @ Jefff

Hi Jeff,

1. Alice died too.
2. There were four children. Listed in one of my previous posts. But can only find local baptism for George.
3. Typo. She died 1895.
4. I found the prison records too but discounted them due to age difference. It is a big difference.

--
Peter

Nurse Hannah Head (Taylor) - Funeral report.

by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Monday, February 03, 2020, 23:06 (61 days ago) @ probinson

In the 1881 Prison Hospital record Hannah Maria gives her age as 33 (1848). She gives her birthplace as Gloucestershire, Becxford(?). On the same page is a Caroline TAYLOR, aged 34, who gives the same birthplace.

Glos BMD

TAYLOR, Hannah Maria, Mother’s former Name WEAVER, 1847, Cheltenham, Winchcombe, Cleeve
TAYLOR, Caroline, Mother’s former Name WEAVER, 1843, Cheltenham, Winchcombe, Cleeve

GR 1851 Census, Gloucestershire, Beckford (now in Worcestershire, I think)

Thomas TAYLOR, Head, Mar, 54, Carrier, Gloucester, Bishops Cleeve
Ann Wife, Mar, 48, Gloucester, Forthampton
William, Son, Un, 25, Joiner, Gloucester, Beckford
John, Son, Un, 22, Ag Lab, Gloucester, Beckford
Charles, Son, Un, 18, Ag Lab, , Gloucester, Beckford
Mary, Daur, Un, 17, Gloucester, Beckford
Jane, Daur, Un, 16, Gloucester, Beckford
Julia, Daur, Un, 13, Gloucester, Beckford
Emma, Daur, Un, 11, Gloucester, Beckford
Sophia, Daur, Un, 9, Gloucester, Beckford
Caroline, Daur, 7, Gloucester, Beckford
Hannah, Daur, 4, Gloucester, Beckford

Thomas, Grandson, 3, London

GR 1861 Census, Malthouse, Ashton under Hill, Worcs,
Thomas TAYLOR Head, Mar, 65, Butcher, Gloucester, Bishops Cleeve
Ann, Wife, Mar, 58, Gloucester, Forthampton
John, Son, Un, 32, Butcher, Gloucester, Beckford
Charles R, Son, Un, 29, Ag Lab, Gloucester, Beckford
Hannah M, Daur, Un, 14, Gloucester, Beckford

This suggests that the Hannah Maria in the Hospital may not be the daughter of Henry Taylor.

Nurse Hannah Head (Taylor) - Funeral report.

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Saturday, February 08, 2020, 17:14 (57 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin

Hi MIke,
thanks for this, sorry for my slow reply.
Yes I'm inclined to agree this looks like a different Hannah.
And yes nowadays Beckford, a new placename to me, is considered part of Worcestershire.

This 1868 Gazetteer entry shows it has no obvious links to the Forest, especially Coleford on the far side.
J

"BECKFORD, a parish in the hundred of Tibaldstone, in the county of Gloucester, 6 miles to the E. of Tewkesbury, its post town. It lies on the confines of Worcestershire, not far from Bredon Hill, and includes the hamlets of Bangrove, Didcote, and Grafton."

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Beckford/Gaz1868

Nurse Hannah Head (Taylor) - Funeral report.

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Saturday, February 08, 2020, 17:08 (57 days ago) @ probinson

Hi Peter,
thanks for clarifying things, sorry for my slow reply.
Also for reminding me of your earlier post re the other childrens' birthdates. I've searched FreeBMD but cannot find any likely records at all for any of them within the UK, I presume the spent most of their lives in S.A.
J

Nurse Hannah Head (Taylor) - Funeral report.

by Jan Baker, Tuesday, February 04, 2020, 07:55 (61 days ago) @ Jefff

Hi Jeff
Thank you for your comments. Yes Alice also perished unfortunately, I have managed to see the original documents of the inquest, at the London metropolitan also the documents signed by Alfred identifing their bodies. Very interesting piece of history I new very little about,it is what started me on my family history journey.

Yes you would think Alfred would have avoided the name Alice, seems very strange, the stories told seemed to indicate that the loss effected him badly and his daughter Alice looked after him while Hannah was off nursing the sick, Alice was 30 when she married my Grandfather. My father was also called Alfred.

Elizabeth had several children, Florence, Alexander, James and George, I guess they must have become fairly wealthy to be able to travel backwards and forwards from SA so frequently. Unfortunately Elizabeth did die young in 1895,

I thought the Millbank prison connection may not turn out to be relevant, but it was very interesting to look at the history and yes the location now the Tate. This is what I love about FH it can turn up interesting avenues in social history which are great to follow up.

I will keep looking for the Hannah / Alfred connection in London.

I will be visiting relatives in Chepstow this summer and would like to see if I can find any remaining graves etc for Hannah/ Alfred / Alice, where would you advise to get this information?

Once again I am very grateful that you have taken an interest in my story.

Kindest regards

Jan

Nurse Hannah Head (Taylor) - Funeral report.

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Saturday, February 08, 2020, 18:48 (57 days ago) @ Jan Baker

Hi again Jan,
thanks for your additional information, very helpful and interesting. I'm especially pleased you say how following FH you learn about other aspects of our history we didn't know about. I agree wholeheartedly, and think it a shame many folk just want to quickly chase names and dates as far back in time as possible. Indeed this is why my own family trees are till far from completion, as I find myself going sideways researching the bigger picture rather than back in time...
One subject that's always interested me since childhood is marine history, and since moving to West London in the mid 1980s messing about in boats, both on the Thames and elsewhere, has been a big part of my life. Yet I'm ashamed to say your first mention of the sinking of the Princess Alice passed under my radar. I've just been reminding myself of this event, still Britain's worst disaster on inland waters with upwards of 700 lives lost ! At least a lot was learnt from the subsequent inquiries with many positive actions moving forward.... perhaps Alfred's continued use of the name Alice was a deliberate effort on his part to commemorate not just his wife but also the ship and all the other poor souls lost that evening. It's good to see the name Alfred was also continued in your family.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_SS_Princess_Alice

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Regarding searching the graves of your ancestors, we posted Hannah's burial record earlier, at Staunton. (The one twixt Monmouth & Coleford, not to be confused with Staunton near Corse on the far northeast of the Forest).

Record_ID: 337404
Entry_Number: 647
Year: 1935
Month: Dec
Day: 31
Surname: MORGAN
Forenames: Hannah Maria
Residence: Staunton Coleford Glos
Age_at_death: 75 years
Officiating_Minister: L W E Aylmer Kelly Asst Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC310 1/11
Page_No: 81
Parish_Chapel: Staunton
Soundex: M625

Staunton church isn't included within the Memorial Inscriptions section of this site.

Searching for prior mentions of this Church within this forum gives these notes from 2017, happily all the links still work, hopefully it will help you.

"Re the burials in Staunton All Saints, I suggest you contact the church well in advance of your visit, hopefully they will be able to assist in locating the grave. Also don't forget that sadly many Churches lock their doors these days unless expecting visitors.
https://www.achurchnearyou.com/staunton-all-saints/

also http://churchdb.gukutils.org.uk/GLS463.php

For background info see
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/StauntonColeford/Gaz1868

You might consider buying this GFHS cd in advance, it might help, unless of course any other forum members already have it and can please do a lookup for you."
http://gfhs.org.uk/products-page/cddvd/monumental-inscription-2003-2/


Online photos and Streetview images suggest the graveyard is well-kept and in good upkeep, so hopefully you can find the grave. I see there are other Morgans there too, I don't know if relations or not. Some of them have been named on the Find-a-Grave site page, but sadly not yours, yet.
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2612991/all-saints-churchyard

Staunton is also the final resting place of world-famous engineer and metallurgist David Mushet, who along with his son Robert Forrester Mushet performed important pioneering work in steel-making at the Whitecliff and Darkhill ironworks, I see mentions of the Morgan name ? in these pages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mushet

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A George Morgan, Blacksmith, is listed in this Staunton Trade Directory from 1927, a possible relative, perhaps ?
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cbennett/genealogy/staunton1927.htm

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As posted earlier here is Alfred Head's burial record, at Coleford Cemetery.

Record_ID: 77975
Entry_Number: 2954
Year: 1928
Month: Jan
Day: 12
Surname: HEAD
Forenames: Alfred
Residence: Retired Baker
Age_at_death: 87
Officiating_Minister: Rev[eren]d C H M Fasson
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) 33 Newland St[reet] Coleford (2) [not stated] (3) CC 18 (4) Consecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25 / 204 / 30
Page_No: 47
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery
Soundex: H300


Record_ID: 75812
Entry_Number: 808
Year: 1885
Month: Jan
Day: 4
Surname: HEAD
Forenames: Alfred and James
Residence: Son of Alfred Head and Hannah his wife
Age_at_death: 2
Officiating_Minister: Thomas Williams
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Coleford (2) South Div'n 1/2 Adults Gr (3) F 32 west (4) Unconsecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25/204/2
Page_No: 41
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery
Soundex: H300

Sadly this cemetery doesn't seem to be in the aforementioned GFHS cd.

More Cemetery info here, which helpfully advises we have a plan on this FoDFHT website.
http://churchdb.gukutils.org.uk/GLS152.php

For plan etc see
https://forest-of-dean.net/downloads/Miscellaneous/Coleford_Cemetery_Guide.pdf
https://forest-of-dean.net/downloads/Miscellaneous/Coleford_Cemetery_Plan.pdf

Also see https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/1972386/coleford-cemetery

Hopefully the Memoranda and possibly Register Reference details within the PRs will help locate the graves within the cemetery.


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Re daughter Alice's final resting place, altho we did post her marriage to Edwin Hunt, that line needs further research...

speak again later, thanks again, Jeff.

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