Gypsies (General)

by Coxy10, Tuesday, July 07, 2020, 19:17 (32 days ago)

I was born in Cinderford in the 50s with 6 other siblings are mothers name was Wynn maiden name butler grandmother was Dora butler. We were fostered at the ages of 7&8 we don’t know much about our family only they were Gypsies. Any information would be much appreciated. Thank you

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by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Tuesday, July 07, 2020, 23:46 (32 days ago) @ Coxy10

There are a number of references in the BNA (1900 to 1940) to a Dora Butler. Her husband Adolphus and possible relatives, Albert, Percy and Harold Butler are also mentioned. Most of the references are to court cases concerning various petty offences. It is clear that those involved are gypsies. Most of the action takes place around Stroud. Does this make sense in your context?

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by MPGriffiths @, Wednesday, July 08, 2020, 08:40 (32 days ago) @ Coxy10

If you Google

Dora Butler Cinderford

on

Google Books

The Forest of Dean - Google Books Results


There is long paragraph

Gypies lived in Crump Meadow Wood, Cinderford. BUTLER is a well-known Forest Gypsey name and when Mrs Dora BUTLER died in 1953 her van was burnt at Crump Meadow - the first one to be burnt there for many years. A few yards away was an old frame tent, the home of her husband. they had married and had four sons and two daughters and had separated. And ever since he had paid her 2s 6d. a week, although the the last twelve years her van and his tent had only been a few yards apart. He used to take her a smoke or a bit of sugar. And when she died he decides to burn her caravan - 'And if your father died - would you like to see anyone else wearing his trousers? he said at the time. All Mrs Butler's possession were burnt; her van, furniture, clothes - even her wireless, although Mr Butlere had no wire. etc. etc.


Forest of Dean records

Dora BUTLER buried at Cinderford St John - 23 January 1953 - aged 75 years, residence: Crump Meadow.

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by MPGriffiths @, Wednesday, July 08, 2020, 09:06 (32 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

There is a link to a previous thread and a reply from Shepway - 8 August 2018 - with the 1911 census and marriage of Dora STEPHENS to Adolphus BUTLER - 1902 - in Bosbury, Herefordshire.

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by JaneyH @, Tunbridge Wells, Kent, Friday, July 17, 2020, 11:47 (22 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

For those that may not know, burning a gypsy’s caravan when they die is a traditional custom, not an act of vandalism. I remember it happening in a traveller’s site in the Fens in the 1980s.

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by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Wednesday, July 08, 2020, 12:41 (31 days ago) @ Coxy10

1939 Register

Country Park Farm Buildings, Ledbury, Pixley, Herefordshire

Butler Violet, F, Aug 17 1907, Married, Domestic duties unpaid
3 redacted entries
Butler Dora, F, Sept 15 1881, Married, Domestic duties unpaid
Butler Adolphus, M, May 9 1912, Single, Labourer
Butler Richard, M, June 14 1916, Single, Labourer
Butler Rose, F, Sept 14 1923, Single, Domestic UNEMPLOYED

[Rose BUTLER amended to WYNN (14/6/45). Rose amended to Margaret R.]

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by grahamdavison @, Wednesday, July 08, 2020, 17:37 (31 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin

We have in 1945 at the Forest of Dean Register Office

Rose Butler married Frederick William Wynn

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by rhianonturrell @, Friday, July 10, 2020, 17:19 (29 days ago) @ Coxy10

You may find more information on Gypsy genealogy gypsygenealogy.com where there are Butlers mentioned and the Gypsy Family history Society https://rtfhs.org.uk/.
I did some research a few years ago for a friend some of whose ancestors appeared on Gypsy Genealogy including Butlers.

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