Mother of Ira JAMES b 1816 - Forest of Dean FHT Forum

Hello
Could someone please convince me who Richard James's wife was ie Ann but more importantly who was Ira's b(1816) mother?

Was it Anne Jones or Ann Kear. Does anyone know what happened to Anne Jones

I am not convinced it was Ann Kear but cannot find proof.

The marriage of Anne Jones and Richard James was 10 months prior to Irahs birth.

Is there anyway I can find out?

Help.

Rita James

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There are at least two Richard / Ann JAMES families in Bream / Newland. You are looking for the Shoemaker rather than coal miner family.

Year: 1816
Month: Aug
Day: 18
Parents_Surname: JAMES
Child_Forenames: Irah
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Anne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Woodside
Occupation: Cord Wainer
Officiating_Minister: Josiah Allport
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: In this record a forename was not clear so the best guess was given. Any abbreviated forenames have been expanded to the full name
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 16
Parish_Chapel: Bream

This would be my initial choice ( but need more evidence before I could be sure ):-

Year: 1815
Month: Oct
Day: 15
Grooms_Surname: JAMES
Grooms_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: JONES
Brides_Forenames: Anne
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Mark
Witness_1: Mark of James Davis
Witness_2: Tho[mas] Bond
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Pay[le]r Matt[he]w Procter Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 41
Parish_Chapel: Newland

However this would appear to be a sibling :-

Year 1814
Month Mar
Day 20
Parents Surname JAMES
Child Forenames Joseph
Fathers Forenames Richard
Mothers Forenames Ann
Mothers Surname
Residence Bream
Occupation Shoemaker
Officiating Minister George Ridout
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P57 IN 1/2
Page Number 5
Parish Chapel Bream

which starts to favour as my choice :-

Year: 1803
Month: Oct
Day: 24
Grooms_Surname: JAMES
Grooms_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: KEAR
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Geo Kear
Witness_2: Thos Bond
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Tay[lo]r Matt[he]w Procter min[iste]r
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 59
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Richard the Shoemaker

Is Charlotte a coincidence or further support for Ann KEAR as Irah's mother ?

Year: 1861
Month: Jan
Day: 20
Surname: JAMES
Forenames: Richard
Residence: Bream Woodside
Age_at_death: 82
Officiating_Minister: Cornelius Witherby Incumbent
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/17
Page_No: 45
Parish_Chapel: Bream

1851
Richard James abt 1779 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
John James abt 1809 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
James James abt 1813 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Davis abt 1839 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Grandson West Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Kear abt 1829 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Servant West Dean, Gloucestershire

1841
Richard James abt 1781 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
John James abt 1809 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
James James abt 1812 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Iram James abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Ann James abt 1820 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Emanuell James abt 1823 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
William James abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

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pretty sure this is Irah's mother

Year: 1827
Month: Nov
Day: 20
Surname: JAMES
Forenames: Ann
Residence: Bream`s Woodside
Age_at_death: 40 years
Officiating_Minister: H[enr]y Poole Minister
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/29
Page_No: 7
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

which seems a good match for

Year: 1786
Month: Apr
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: KEAR
Child_Forenames: Ann
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Charles Sandiford Vicar & Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [1]D[aughter] of [2]born March 22
Notes: Blakeney Chapel
Register_Reference: P30 1 IN 1 Part 2
Page_Number: 457
Parish_Chapel: Awre

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

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HI RITA
HERES SOME MORE INFO YOU MAY NOT HAVE

IRAM/IRAH SON OF RICHARD AND ANN JAMES NEE KEAR WAS BORN IN 1816 AT BREAM AND BAPTISED AT ST JAMES`S CHURCH BREAM ON THE 18TH AUGUST 1816. IN THE 1841 CENSUS IRAM/IRAH IS LIVING AT HOME BREAM EAVES AGE 25 WITH HIS
SIBLINS AND FATHER RICHARD, ANN HIS MOTHER HAD DIED IN 1827 WHEN IRAM/IRAH WAS ELEVEN. ON THE 13TH SEPTEMBER 1845 IRAM/IRAH MARRIED MIRIAM TOOZE AT ST PAULS CHURCH PARKEND HE HAD SEVEN CHILDREN FOUR SONS AND >
THREE DAUGHTERS. ON THE 1851 CENSUS HE WAS LIVING AT BREAM WOODSIDE BY 1861 THE FAMILY HAD MOVED TO OAKWOOD HILL IN BREAM MIRIAM DIED SOMETIME BETWEEN 1861 AND 1864. BECAUSE ON THE 24TH OF APRIL 1864 IRAM/IRAH
MARRIED HIS SECOND COUSIN ANNE WORGAN NEE JAMES WHO WAS ALSO A WIDOW. ON THE 1871 CENSUS THEY WERE LIVING AT BREAM EAVES JUST THE TWO OF THEM BY 1881 THEY HAD MOVED AGAIN AND WERE LIVING IN YORKLEY

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Thank you everyone. I just needed an outsiders view point. It is not my fault they had no imagination with names, haha, I am sure they married the same named people as well just to throw our family trees out.

I want to make sure before I put it all on paper once and for all.

Thanks again and thank you for your site. I struggle in other areas of England but because of this site I am able to get information as well as talk to others in the same boat.

Regards
Rita
NZ

PS I still dont know what happened to Anne Jones?

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