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Thank you slowhands for providing a continuation thread - much appreciated!

I'm just looking at the 1901 census again, where we have the two different William Mansell entries (which could mean he was enumerated twice I guess)... In one of the census he is living with George and Martha Mansell.. I am trying to find the birth for George Mansell. It says 1868, which ties in with his parish marriage record in 1891, stating he was 23 at the time.

I can't find any birth index (GRO) that corresponds with this. I looked in Herefordshire and Gloucesterhisre, under George Mansell and George Cook - but I can't see anything that corresponds.

Can you see anything I'm missing?

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Rachel

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1881
William Mansell abt 1842 Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Maria Cook abt 1842 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Ruardean, Gloucestershire
William Cook abt 1866 Hope Mansell, Hereford, England Boarder Ruardean, Gloucestershire
George Cook abt 1867 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Richard Cook abt 1870 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Henry Cook abt 1874 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Martha Cook abt 1875 Eastdean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Ada Cook abt 1878 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Tom Cook Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Ruardean, Gloucestershire

1871
Wm John Mansell 29 Lea Bailey
Mariah Cook 31
Charlotte Cook 11
William Cook 5
George Cook 4
Richard Cook 1
Henry James Cook 2 months

Name: George Cooke
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 473

1861 Ruardean Hill
Maria Cook abt 1812 N Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Cook abt 1812 Veenisteza, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Cook abt 1848 Vernister, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Cook abt 1852 Vernister, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Martha Cook abt 1855 Vernister, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Cook abt 1860 Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1851
Richard Cooke abt 1812 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Maria Cooke abt 1814 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Cooke abt 1836 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire
James Cooke abt 1836 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Hannah Cooke abt 1840 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Maria Cooke abt 1842 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Hester Cooke abt 1844 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Mary Cooke abt 1846 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Emma Cooke abt 1848 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire
William Cooke abt 1850 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1842
Month: Feb
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: COOK
Child_Forenames: Maria
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: George Batt
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: Ebenezer Chapel
Register_Reference: D2598 5/3
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Forest of Dean Bible Christian

1841
Richard Cook abt 1815 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean Gloucestershire
Maria Cook abt 1817 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Cook abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean Gloucestershire
Hannah Cook abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean Gloucestershire
James Cook abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean Gloucestershire

Year: 1836
Month: Aug
Day: 21
Grooms_Surname: COOK
Grooms_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Age: [not stated]
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: [not stated]
Grooms_Residence: the Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: ROBERTS
Brides_Forenames: Maria
Brides_Age: [not stated]
Brides_Condition: [not stated]
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Walford
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Mark of James Roberts
Witness_2: Elizabeth Cook
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: T. D. Fosbroke Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AO19/6
Page_Number: 101
Parish_Chapel: Walford

Year: 1811
Month: May
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: COOK
Child_Forenames: Richard
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Hester
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 72
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

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1851
Elizabeth Mansell abt 1815 Much Marcle, Herefordshire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Mansell abt 1819 Dean; Forest, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Mansell abt 1841 Dean; Forest, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Mansell abt 1844 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Charles Mansell abt 1844 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Mansell abt 1848 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Catherine Mansell abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1841
Elizabeth Mansell abt 1816 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
George Mansell abt 1820 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
William Mansell abt 1841 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Year: 1841
Month: May
Day: 23
Parents_Surname: MANSEL
Child_Forenames: William John
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Bailey
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Henry Bisse Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AG68/6
Page_Number: 31
Parish_Chapel: Hope Mansell

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hi slowhands,

Thanks (again) for the info above.... I am starting to get confused with Maria Cook/e:

In 1851 she is at home with her parents (Richard and Maria Cooke)

In 1859 she has a child Charlotte Cook

In 1861:

In April (census) William Mansell is living at home with his parents
Charlotte Cook is now with Maria's parents, listed as daughter.
Maria is not at her parents, not at William's and I can't find her anywhere.

In October, William Manselle marries Jane whatever-her-name-was.

In 1871, Maria and 5 children with her surname are living with William Mansell.

Where is Maria in 1861, and how can I tell which children 'belong' to William?

Please help, I'm losing sanity!

Rachel x

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William's wife Jane dies in 1891 at Westbury Workhouse

Year: 1892
Month: Jul
Day: 9
Grooms_Surname: MANSELL
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Coal miner
Grooms_Residence: Harry Hill
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Mansell
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Farm labourer deceased
Brides_Surname: COOK
Brides_Forenames: Ann Maria
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Harry Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Cook
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Coal miner deceased
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: he marks she signs
Witness_1: George Mansell
Witness_2: Mary Ann Simkin
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 143
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Year: 1895
Month: Mar
Day: 10
Surname: MANSELL
Forenames: Maria
Residence: Harry Hill Drybrook
Age_at_death: 51 years
Officiating_Minister: Edw[ar]d Parnell Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/13
Page_No: 87
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

1901
William Mansell abt 1842 Lea; Barley Head East Dean, Gloucestershire

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Thanks for all that slowhands, you really are wonderful....I still can't find Maria in 1861 though :( Where is she? And when do the children start to belong to William?

Thanks,
Rachel

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I'd start with George or William's Birth Cert from GRO... I suspect this is William's child with William's wife Jane at the Workhouse.

Name: George Cooke
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 473

Name: Richard Cook
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 212

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Hi
William Mansell was my Great Great grandad.
His wife was Mariah Cooke
Are you thinking the 5 children including Richard Cooke Mansell my Great grandad,may not be Mansells at all.

Graham Mansell

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Only in the sense that the marriage of Maria and William was later in 1892 ( after his first wife Jane died) the children are registered as COOK

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Somebody has mixed me up with The Thread on the COOK's?
My COOK[E]'s were from Coventry.
Either that,Or they have sent the reply to the Wrong "Graham?"

Graham of Cardiff.

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Year: 1843
Month: Apr
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: MANSELL
Child_Forenames: Jane Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lea Bailey
Occupation: Spinster
Officiating_Minister: J G Bull
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AG68/6
Page_Number: 34
Parish_Chapel: Hope Mansell

Year: 1846
Month: Oct
Day: 27
Grooms_Surname: HERBERT
Grooms_Forenames: Daniel
Grooms_Age: 60
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Cordwainer
Grooms_Residence: East Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Herbert
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Cordwainer
Brides_Surname: MANSELL
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age: 32
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: East Dean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Mansell
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Cordwainer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He Mark She Signs
Witness_1: John Mansell
Witness_2: Susan Williams
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 9
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1851 Dancing Green
Daniel Herbert abt 1787 Oxenhall, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Herbert abt 1793 [1812] Dean; Forest, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ellen Mansell abt 1834 Dean; Forest, Gloucestershire, England Stepdaughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Mansell abt 1843 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepdaughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1861
Jane Mancel abt 1843 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1861
Month: Oct
Day: 16
Grooms_Surname: MANSELL
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: 21
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Lea Bailey
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Mansell
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: MANSELL
Brides_Forenames: Jane
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Lea Bailey
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Marfell
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Timothy
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Farmer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Signed
Witness_1: Joseph Mansell
Witness_2: Mary Ann Mansell
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry G. Nicholls
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: `
Notes: Brides names MANSELL Brides Father MARFELL
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 146
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1871 "Lunatic" in Workhouse
Jane Mansell abt 1843 Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire, England Pauper Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire

1881
Jane Mansell abt 1844 Forest of Dean Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire

1891
Jane Mansell abt 1843 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Pauper Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire

Year: 1891
Month: Oct
Day: 26
Surname: MANSELL
Forenames: Jane
Residence: Westbury Union
Age_at_death: 48 years
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Lynes Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/14
Page_No: 7
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Johns

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Year 1821
Month Mar
Day 11
Parents Surname MARFELL
Child Forename(s) Timothy
Father's Forename(s) Cornelius
Mother's Forename(s) Tamen
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Ruardean Hill
Occupation Labourer
Officiating Minister H. Berkin

1841
Henry Berkin abt 1781 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire Rector
Maria Linea Berkin abt 1771 Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Adelaide Jenkins abt 1821 Dean Forest Gloucestershire Female Servant
Ann Marfell abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire Female Servant
Timothy Marfell abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire Male Servant
Sarah White abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire Female Servant

1851
Timothy Marfell abt 1821 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire

Timothy went on to marry Ellen Hyett in 1858,
they had no children and he was Labourer/Gardener

Name: Ellen Hyett
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 430

Name: Timothy Marfell
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Westbury
County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 430

1861
Timothy Marfell abt 1821 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Ellen Marfell abt 1828 Standish, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ruardean, Gloucestershire

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