WINTOUR Cecil, Lydney

Hello all,

My name is Judith and im trying to trace my late mum's side of the family. My mum was a Wintour and the last of our family. I have no one to ask as both grandparents are deceased as well as my mum, and there are no other family members who can help.

My grandfather was called Cecil Roach, and he married my granny, Ivy Irene Roach, of Loughor, Swansea, they had a child named Joy (whose name I carry as a middle name) who died when sne was bout 3yo. They then later had my mum called Jill. They had no other children.

My lovely grandad passed away when i was about 3, in the late 70's yet i remember him vividly, especially his rich Gloucester accent. All I know is he possibly hailed from a farm in Lydney and I think he had brothers.

I'm afraid this is all I have to go on, but am desperate to know more as I am so very proud to be part of this line.

Here's to hoping someone can help me.
Judith Rees,Swansea

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From FreeBMD:

Marriages Dec 1935
Roach Ivy I Wintour W Glamorgan 11a 2322
Wintour Cecil H Roach W. Glamorgan 11a 2322

Births Jun 1937
Wintour Marilyn J Roach W.Glamorgan 11a 1344
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Births Sep 1914
Roach Ivy I John Llanelly 11a 2614

I can't see a birth reg for Cecil H Wintour - can anyone else spot it please?

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Oh thankyou so much. Was all this info here on the site? I'm afraid I am using my mobile phone as a computer right now as my laptop is borked so alot of things do not load up properly, so research is difficult.

Could you explain to me what some of the numbers mean, i can understand the dates, but the other numbers?

This is wonderful, thankyou so much, I now finally have something to go on.

Judith

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Hi Judith

The records I posted came from FreeBMD - you can use this link:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Ref: the numbers.

The first number is the Volume and the second number is the Page of the register where the marriage (or birth or death) is recorded.

You would need those numbers if you wanted to order a copy of a certificate from the General Register Office.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

I have found Wintours on this site (FoD), but not Cecil. I'm sure the cavalry will arrive soon and dig something up for you!

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Double post sorry.

Judith

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You are a star!! Being new to this, and having a broken laptop is makin this quite difficult, but i'm sure ill get there eventually. Hopefully ill find some relatives as there are none left on this side as far as I know.

Thankyou, again. Judith

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could this be his baptisn from the parsih records on here

164419
Entry_Number: 663
Year: 1910
Month: Sep
Day: 18
Parents_Surname: WINTON
Child_Forenames: Cecil Holly
Fathers_Forenames: Ernest Henry
Mothers_Forenames: Martha Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Newland Gloucester
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: Francis J. May
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Bream Chapel
Notes: (Son) Note under child's name
Register_Reference: D2598 5/6
Page_Number: 114
Parish_Chapel: Forest of Dean Bible Christian Circuit
Soundex: W535

also death reg

Cecil Holly Wintour
Birth Date: 18 Aug 1910
Death Registration Month/Year: 1977
Registration district: Swansea
Inferred County: West Glamorgan
Volume: 27
Page: 2839

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I have a strong suspicion it is! I grew up with a Davy Lamp in the house and was told it was Daddo's (my name for my grandad) fathers who was a miner. This is absolutely fantastic, thankyou, totally priceless!

Judith

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Ah, am confused though over the name Winton as Daddo was definately a Wintour. The birth and death dates seem to add up as I was born in 75 and he died when I was around 2-3 yo. And I seem to remember his middle name being the same as my grans younger sister which I could not get my head around when I was little.

Judith

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could just have been lost in translation... sounded like Winton when pronounced to vicar.?.. mistranscribed in the records?..

I reckon it is definitely him.. but a look at the orignal may show that the 'n' on Winton could possibly be an 'r'?

Simone x

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death for dad Ernest?

Ernest H Wintour
Death Registration Month/Year: 1966
Age at death (estimated): 81
Registration district: West Glamorgan
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 8b
Page: 945

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Thankyou!! This is more than i could have wished for. I might have a chance of findin some family and learnin more about our history. I honestly would have had no idea where to even begin to look.

Judith.

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There is a marriage in sep q 1909 for Ernest.. but unfortunately Martha's details not on the record.. so not sure of her maiden name yet

Marriages Sep 1909
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WINTOUR Ernest Henry Crickhowell 11b 167

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I reckon mum was Martha Jane Holly.. so that's where the Holly name came from

Birth
Martha Jane Holly
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Crickhowell
County: Breconshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 112

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1911 Census, Monmouth, Monmouthshire

Ernest Henry WINTON - age 26, c1885
Martha Jane WINTON - age 21, c 1890
Cecil Holly WINTON - 7 months

FreeBDM

Ernest Henry WINTOUR birth - Chepstow March Qtr 1885

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Thanks guys. Where are you pullin all this from? It appears I was mislead then about the Lydney connection? All I have are vague memories of things I was told as a little girl. All i know is, he was Wintour, and there are alot of them in the FoD. Unless we go way back and then moved around, endin up in Swansea.

Im very excited by all this.

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1901 Census Wales
King Street

6 Eddy's Street?

HOLLY

(looks like a second marriage...)

William (married)- 40 Coalminer Hewer, born Herefordshire Town (N/K)
Ada (married) - 23 born Breconshire, Brynmawr
James - 19 - Coalminer, Hewer
William - 16
Cissie - 13 - Apprentice Dressmaker
Martha J - 11
Ernest - 10
Mildrid - 2

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found the corresponding entry for Martha.. not transcribed properly but definitely Holly

Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%)
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HOLL__ Martha Jane Crickhowell 11b 1_7

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child of Ernest and Martha reg Dec q 1914

Kathleen Wintour
Monmouth 11a 37

using Ancestry and FreeBmd ... having a play with searches to find snippets of info... have you used these before?

simone x

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Have never heard of them until today haha. I found this place by googling the name Wintour so gave it a shot. I cannot afford to join the big sites so random searches were my only hope. You have been such a big help to me. Thankyou. Ill check out the places you mentioned.

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