John SYNER burial Brockweir 1863 (General)
by bristolloggerheads , Friday, June 18, 2010, 17:37 (5349 days ago)
I am looking for the burial place of John Syner who drowned in the Bristol Channel in 1863. His inquest was held in April 1864 in Bristol but no record of a burial there. (I'm told only Arnos Vale Cemetery was open at that time) At the time of his death he was living in Newport but also no record at St. Woolos. His father was alive and living in Brockweir - can anyone find his burial there?
John SYNER burial Brockweir 1863
by admin , Forest of Dean, Saturday, June 19, 2010, 11:32 (5348 days ago) @ bristolloggerheads
As Brockweir is not a parish, most people from that area would probably have used the parish churches of either Hewelsfield or St Briavels.
SYNER is not a common name in the area and could very easily have been mistaken for another surname or spelled in a variety of different ways. I suggest that you keep an open mind to how the surname would have been recorded in the records and consider all surnames that could be derived from it.
You never mentioned how old he was when he died as this could help.
John SYNER married Louisa PARRY
by m p griffiths , Saturday, June 19, 2010, 11:56 (5348 days ago) @ admin
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John SYNER - 5 September 1813, at Hewlesfield (address BROCKWEAR) - father William (Waterman) & Margaret
William - 6 December 1829 at Hewlesfield (addres Brockwear) - William, (Fisherman) & Margaret
Hewlesfield
Elizabeth - 20 August 1836, John (Waterman) and Louisa SYNER
John SYNER married Louisa PARRY - 15 October 1834, St Briavels
1861 Census, Newport St Woollos
26 Victoria Street
Listed as LYNES on Ancestry
John SYNER - age 47, Master Mariner, born Brockway, Gloucestershire
Louisa - 50
Alfred - 20, Seaman Appre
John - 15
Edwin - 26 - Printr Compositor
Richard WILLIAMS - nephew, age 18, born Tintern Abby
John BROWN - lodger age 16 - born ditto
Emma E GREGORY- Granddaughter, age 4, born Newport
1851 Census, St Brides, St Woollos
John SYNER - 37, Capt Trading Vessel, born St Brides
Louisa (LAISA) - Age 40, born Hewlsfield
Elizabeth - 14
Sarah Ann - 12
Alfred - 10
Mary 8
John - 5
previous threads inc..
John SYNER married Louisa PARRY
by bristolloggerheads , Saturday, June 19, 2010, 13:29 (5348 days ago) @ m p griffiths
Sorry, yes this is John baptised in 1813. I have looked at Hewelsfield churchyard but he is not there.
Peter
John SYNER married Louisa PARRY
by m p griffiths , Saturday, June 19, 2010, 14:22 (5348 days ago) @ bristolloggerheads
When did John SYNER die ?
John SYNER married Louisa PARRY
by bristolloggerheads , Saturday, June 19, 2010, 19:44 (5348 days ago) @ m p griffiths
He died December 1863 but his body wasn't found until April 1864. His inquest was in Bristol and his death registered there. It's his place of burial that is proving elusive.
John SYNER burial Brockweir 1863
by alison2 , Saturday, June 19, 2010, 22:11 (5348 days ago) @ bristolloggerheads
Could he have been Buried in the little Cemetary at Brockweir Moravian Church, which was opened in 1833 (British History on Line).
John SYNER burial Brockweir 1863
by bristolloggerheads , Sunday, June 20, 2010, 10:01 (5348 days ago) @ alison2
That's a good shout I'll check it out.
John SYNER burial 1864 - Seamans Mission (?)
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, June 20, 2010, 14:04 (5347 days ago) @ bristolloggerheads
Sorry that I cannot directly help , however an avenue to research might be the Seamans Mission - The Bristol Channel ports were " in at the start" of this movement in the 1840's.
The service may have been held at St Peter's Church
St. Peter's Church (for seamen), Temple street (location in 1901)
http://anglicanhistory.org/misc/seamen/nottingham1878/
NEWPORT, MONMOUTHSHIRE.
This rapidly increasing port demands great efforts on behalf of seamen. Its shipping trade is carried on by means of the old dock here and the new Alexandra Docks, and also through many coasters at the wharves on the river Usk, whose crews spend much of their time on shore. 335 vessels visited Newport from foreign parts in 1876, 1,391 coasters, and 7,661 vessels of other kinds, sailing-vessels chiefly frequenting the old dock and steamers the Alexandra Dock, which are about a mile apart. Seamen lodge in the parishes of Holy Trinity and St. Paul. There is plenty of room for their accommodation in Holy Trinity church, and in a very small chapel especially built for their use by the late rector in 1870 at the pier-head, but only a few attend either of these places of worship. The present rector of Holy Trinity is an honorary chaplain of the Missions to Seamen Society, which supplies a scripture reader for the use of Newport. The latter holds a license from the bishop, and conducts divine service in the pier chapel on Sunday afternoons, and also once a week in the evening. He also does all in his power to persuade seamen to attend divine service at other times; but one clergyman with a resident population of 3,000 people to attend to, and one scripture reader, are a very insufficient staff to minister to a large body of seamen as well as to a considerable general population, and we trust that before long vigorous efforts will be made to follow the excellent example of Cardiff in the same diocese, in providing sufficient spiritual help for the seamen of Newport. It should at once have the help of a chaplain and another scripture reader at least; a small chapel having a large vestry-room attached to it, to serve as a seamen's reading-room, should be built near the Alexandra docks; and the present very small chapel at the old dock should be exchanged for a similar chapel and reading-room there. With such means much might be done for seamen here, and is most urgently needed.
The crews of steamers might be carefully visited at convenient times, and those of sailing vessels, often in docks for several weeks, might be very effectually benefited by services held on board, and the distribution of books. At present there is no sailor's home, nor any reading-room where the one only scripture-reader could give counsel to seamen, and help them, so that very much requires to be done here for the spiritual advantage of seamen.
Intercession is made in church for those at sea during stormy weather, but prayer also is needed in behalf of those in harbour at Newport, that it may please God to provide sufficient means of grace for them.
Modern reference :-
http://www.saintstephen.org.uk/section/19
and a possible link
In 1901 Pillgwenlly, Newport
St. Michael Street, Pill, Church street.
Fursey Richard,ship smith
4 Pring Robert Chas., beer retailer
6 Manship George, shopkeeper
...... here is Clarence street......
St. Michael's Catholic Schools
21 Syner Richard William, beer retailer
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
John SYNER burial 1864 - Seamans Mission (?)
by bristolloggerheads , Sunday, June 20, 2010, 16:45 (5347 days ago) @ slowhands
Interesting stuff indeed. Richard was undoubtedly one of his grandsons.
Thanks for the links.
Peter
John SYNER burial Brockweir 1863
by selbyfamily , Sunday, June 20, 2010, 15:21 (5347 days ago) @ alison2
I believe the Moravian Church burial records are being transcribed at the moment. The baptisms have already been transcribed and are in the Parish Records.
John SYNER burial Brockweir 1863
by bristolloggerheads , Saturday, June 26, 2010, 08:30 (5342 days ago) @ selbyfamily
I have tried to find John's widow Louisa thinking that they would be buried together - she died in Newport. I have now covered every cemetery in Newport without finding either of them (or their children).
Peter
John SYNER burial Brockweir 1863
by MJL , Saturday, June 26, 2010, 15:09 (5341 days ago) @ bristolloggerheads
As a last resort you could try the graveyards west of Newport:
St. Brides
Coedkernew
Marshfield.
St.Mellons
You never know.
MJL
John SYNER burial Brockweir 1863
by bristolloggerheads , Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 19:59 (5338 days ago) @ MJL
I have now checked all the Newport MIs and those in the former Avon area. Can I volunteer to help with the Moravian church burial records? - not wishing to tread on anyone's toes!
Peter
John SYNER burial Brockweir 1863
by bristolloggerheads , Friday, July 09, 2010, 18:06 (5328 days ago) @ bristolloggerheads
According to Gloucester Archives the printed MIs for the Moravian Church have only Ann Syner buried here in 1886 - not sure who she is!
John SYNER burial Brockweir 1863
by m p griffiths , Friday, July 09, 2010, 18:36 (5328 days ago) @ bristolloggerheads
This is the death:
Ann SYNER - c1816 (age 70) - death 1886 - Chepstow, Gloucestershire/Monmouthshire - so far no trace on census'
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Ann SYNER c 1817 (age 69) - death 1887 - Bridgenorth, Shropshire - 1881 Census, Shropshire, James SYNER, ae 68, born Salop, Bridgenorth & Ann SYNER - age 64, born Shropshire, Clun
John SYNER burial Brockweir 1863
by bristolloggerheads , Saturday, July 10, 2010, 23:14 (5327 days ago) @ m p griffiths
I see Ann was the widow of William Syner of Zion Cottage, Brockweir.
Peter
John SYNER burial Brockweir 1863
by polyanna, Wednesday, September 08, 2010, 16:37 (5267 days ago) @ bristolloggerheads
I am researching the family history of an elderly friend and have got back to her great great grandfater who is Captain John Syner b.1814 St Brides, the very same gentleman whose burial place seems so elusive. My friend remembers that she was told as a child that one of her ancestors was buried on the island of Flat Holme in the Bristol Channel. Maybe this could be the answer to the mystery? I have been in touch with the Flat Holme Society and indeed burials had taken place there but all of the remains have been taken to the mainland to be researched. I am continuing various channels and if I have any further information I shall post it on the site
John SYNER burial Brockweir 1863
by bristolloggerheads , Wednesday, September 08, 2010, 21:09 (5267 days ago) @ polyanna
Polyanna,
I believe you are possibly correct. Any burial would have been unofficial but I am in contact with the Home Office pathologist who did the Flat Holm investigation. I will let you know more when I get his reply.
Peter
John SYNER burial Brockweir 1863
by bristolloggerheads , Wednesday, September 08, 2010, 21:42 (5267 days ago) @ polyanna
I have back to the 1560s if you want more!
Peter