Hi, I am new to this forum and have reached a brick wall with my great great grandparents James Hawker and Louisa Jones. Any information or guidance on how I can find their births in Gloucester would be appreciated.

They were married in Monmouthshire in 1863. The parish is unreadable but looks like St.???? could be a 'T' or 'F' and ends in an 'n' or 's'. I have looked at the Parish names but cannot find one that might fit. James was living in the same unreadable parish name. Louisa was living in the parish of Caerwent. James was a mason. James's father was Thomas, a labourer. Louisa's father was William Jones, a labourer. Their marriage certificate is recorded under the name "Haker". The witnesses included Eliza Williams and John Jones. All made their mark.

Louisa died in 1890 in Cardiff age 52 which indicates a birth date of 1835. (The 1881 census shows this as 1838) James died in 1893 in Cardiff age 68 years. James was a Mason/Journeyman/Greengrocer in Holes, in Cardiff. His death certificate showed he died 13 July 1893 in Cardiff Wales aged 87 years. There is an amendment to the DC which states his true age was 68 years and signed by two daughters Laura and Edith. This gives his birth around 1825 not the 1806-1810 as the census records indicate.

I cannot find James or Louisa in the 1841, 1851, 1861 or 1871 census in Gloucestershire or Wales. My great grandmother, Rhoda born in Cardiff in 1865, cannot be found in the 1871 census. She married in Cardiff in 1888 and emigrated to Australia.

In the 1881 Wales Census James and Louisa (recorded as Elizabeth) are there with daughters Laura (Lora)(13) and Edith (2). Louisa She gives her age as 46 (1835). James gives his age as 71. James and Elizabeth show they were born in Gloucester. The children in Glamorgan

In the 1891 census James is recorded with his daughters Laura age 21 and Edith age 12. James gives his place of birth as Forest of Dean, Gloucester.

Researching this family has been made more difficult with the variances in ages.

Any assistance greatly appreciated

Name: Louisa Hawker
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 52
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 244

1881
James Hawker abt 1810 Gloucestershire, England Head Cardiff St Andrews, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Hawker abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Wife Cardiff St Andrews, Glamorgan
Lora Hawker abt 1868 Cogan, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Cardiff St Andrews, Glamorgan
Edth Hawker abt 1879 Llandough, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Cardiff St Andrews, Glamorgan
Abednego Sellvy [SELBY] abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Lodger Cardiff St Andrews, Glamorgan

Name: Edith Mary Hawker
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 307

Name: Laura Louisa Hawker
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 292

Name: James Haker
Name: Louisa Jones
Year of Registration: 1863
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 257

Now to try to link up to a HAWKER or JONES family in the area .......

Of course HAWKINS in the FoD would be a more "fruitful" search !

The parish church in Caerwent is St Stephens.....

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

1851 Census, Somerset, Bedminster

Boot Lane

Abednogo SELBY - married - 24, Shipwright Journeyman, born Gloucester, Brockweir
Jane SELBY - wife - age 19 - born Tewkesbury * Jane is still alive on the 1901 Welsh Census

CLDS : Abednego SELBY married Jane LAWRENCE - 20 August 1854, Alverstoke, Hampshire

may be a relation originally from the Forest of Dean !!

died age 59 A/M/J Qtr Cardiff

1881 Welsh Census - Penarth, Glam
10 Ludlow Street

Jane SELBEY - and 47, Seamstress, Gloucestershire (wife of Abendngo) + her Son-in-law & family + Thomas WILLIAMS age 24, borm Cardiff, Gamorgan and his family

1871 Census, Glamorgan

Abedings SELBY - 44 - Ships Carpenter, born Hewelsfield, Glos.
Jane - 37 - born Tewkesbury
Abeednegg - 16 - born Isle of Wight
Frederick 13 - born Portsmouth
Alber - 12 - ships carpenter - born Portsmouth
Rosina - 9
Augustus - 5
Florence - 3

1861 Census, Portsea

Abednego SELBY is aged 34, Shipwright, born Hewlesfield + his family.

Another SELBY family from Hewlesfield, (Mason) Ellwood, West Dean

John - 51 - Hewsfield
Emily - 51 born Newland
Ellen 24, John 18, Shadrach 16, Meshach 14, Abendego 10, Emily 3

Using the Soundex system : for Hewlesfield, the surname is spelt SILBEE/SILBY etc.

A candidate from Caerwent area - father William and a brother John.
{Just wish she was not a JONES, it might give me more confidence with this candidate}

LLANVAIR DISCOED BAPTISMS 1813 - 1920
15-Mar 1835 Louisa William & Caroline Jones otp Labourer
15-Mar 1835 Mary William & Caroline Jones otp Labourer
05-Feb 1837 Edwin William & Caroline Jones otp Labourer

1841
Wm Jones abt 1821 Monmouthshire, Wales Caldicot, Monmouthshire
Caroline Jones abt 1816 Monmouthshire, Wales Caldicot, Monmouthshire
Thos Jones abt 1831 Monmouthshire, Wales Caldicot, Monmouthshire
Mary Jones abt 1834 Monmouthshire, Wales Caldicot, Monmouthshire
Louisa Jones abt 1836 Monmouthshire, Wales Caldicot, Monmouthshire
Edward Jones abt 1839 Monmouthshire, Wales Caldicot, Monmouthshire
William Jones abt 1840 Monmouthshire, Wales Caldicot, Monmouthshire

1851 Caerwent Brook
William Jones 43
Caroline Jones 40
Mary Jones 16
John Jones 8
Charles Jones 4
John Buckley 26

1861 Caerwent Brook
William Jones abt 1807 Caldicote, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Caldicot, Monmouthshire
Caroline Jones abt 1809 Caerwent, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Caldicot, Monmouthshire
Edwin Jones abt 1837 Llanvair, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Caldicot, Monmouthshire

1861
John Jones abt 1842 Caldicote, Monmouthshire, Wales Servant Caerwent, Monmouthshire

1861 Tregarn
Louisa Jones abt 1838 Carrenton, [CAERWENT] Monmouthshire, Wales Servant Llangstone, Monmouthshire

1871 Caerwent Brook
William Jones 66 Caldicot
Caroline Jones 62 Caerwent
Edwin Jones 33 Llanvair Discoed
John Jones 28 Caldicot

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

? as James HAWKER was a Stonemason .....

1851 Census, East Dean
New Road

John KEAR age 55 - Stone Mason, born Glos. East Dean
Fanny KEAR - 57 - born Awre
George KEAR - 24, Stone Mason, East Dean
James HAWKER, Relative - unmarried age 37 (c1814) Ag.Lab. born Glos. Stone

John KEARE of the Forest of Dean married Fanny BAGGUST - 11 June 1818 Awre

There is a marriage at Stone 29 February 1829 of a John HAWKER (c1807) to Priscilla KING - and this family, along with a Thomas (c1809) HAWKER and his family were born in Oldbury, Gloucestershire are next door to each other on the 1851 census.

By 1871, Thomas HAWKER (born Thornbury) and his family had moved to Llantrissent, Monmouthshire

These appear to belong to this family

Hawker & Hall family tree

http://www.connectedglobe.com/family/web/hawkerfam/pafg63.htm

Thank you Slowhands for your the information you sent. I wish the name Jones was something else as well (I have another Jones in my Welsh line - bit of a challenge all round. Anyway I will review what has been sent by you and m p griffiths.

Thank you for the information on SELBY. I will check out links with them and the Williams line. Also the information on Thomas Hawker. I will check out the tree you sent.