Can anyone help to find the death of John Mansel Rawlings who at the age of 39 was living in Newlands st Coleford.(He was born approx 1831 Middlex)

JOHN MANSELL RAWLINGS
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Marriages:
Spouse: MARTHA GOSS
Marriage: 25 JUL 1827 Saint Paul Covent Garden, Westminster, London, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M001571 1653 - 1837 942 B4HA V.35 Book 6903656 Film
Sheet: 00

JOHN MANSELL RAWLINGS
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Event(s):
Birth: 25 SEP 1831
Christening: 11 NOV 1831 Saint Mary Le Strand, Westminster, London, England

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Parents:
Father: JOHN MANSELL RAWLINGS
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C042891 1813 - 1875 0572509 Film 6903804 Film
Sheet: 00

1851
Thomas Pruce abt 1788 Greenaway, Herefordshire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary Pruce abt 1788 Alsace, Shellow Bowells Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Marea Jones abt 1811 St Martin, London, England Stepdaughter Newland, Gloucestershire
John M Roling abt 1832 Hand, London, England Nephew Newland, Gloucestershire
Edwin K Richardi abt 1850 Lenham Forstal, London, England Visitor Newland, Gloucestershire

Name: John *Sel Rawlings
Name: Mary Ann Beach
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 84 ??

RAWLINGS John Mansel
BEACH Mary Ann
Forest of Dean Monmouth Register Office
1857 2 110

1861
John Mansel Rawlings abt 1832 Strand, Middlesex, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Rawlings abt 1828 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Frank John Rawlings abt 1860 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

Name: Florence Isabel Rawlings
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1869
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 30

1871 Newland St Coleford
John M Rawlings 39 Clement Danes MDX
Mary A Rawlings 43 Tutshill
Lucy C Rawlings 8 Coleford
Annie T Rawlings 5 Coleford
Isabel F Rawlings 2 Coleford

Name: Mansel Rawlings
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 48
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 21

Year: 1879
Month: Dec
Day: 30
Surname: RAWLINGS
Forenames: John Mansell
Residence: Painter and Glazier
Age_at_death: 48
Officiating_Minister: Thomas Williams
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Coleford (2) South Div'n Adults Gr (3) F 36 (4) Unconsecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25/204/2
Page_No: 30
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery

1881
Mary Ann Rawlings abt 1828 Tutshill, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Florence J. Rawlings abt 1869 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire

1891
Mary Ann Rawlings abt 1828 Clipston,[CHEPSTOW] Monmouthshire, Wales Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Florence T Rawlings abt 1869 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

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RAWLINGS John Mansel - Painter & Glazier, Market Place

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cbennett/coleford1870.htm

Marriage Register copy on Ancestry

Westminster Covent Garden St Paul

John MANSELL RAWLINGS of this Parish (a Bachelor) and Martha GOFS of this Parish (Widow) were married in this Church by Banns with consent (not filled in) on 25 day July 1827, by me : Thos. Wm. Johnson VICKERY, Curate: witnesses William S/TYNE ? and Charlotte COUSINS

Baptisms copy on Ancestry - Westminster St Mary, Le Strand

John MANSELL RAWLINGS - born 25 September 1831, christened 11 November 1831

address: 16 Craven Buildings, parents John MANSELL RAWLINGS (Carpeneter) and Martha

Hi Slowhands what a lot of info. you found for me. A really big thank you.
Tiger.

Hi all last time I used this site was Nov. 2010, helped by "slowhands" with much information.
I am now looking to find the parents of Mary Ann Beach b.1828ish. Who was my G.G. Grandmother. Later she became Rawlings by marraige June 1857. To John Mansell Rawlings, transcribed Sel for his middle name
1861 census she was down as b. Coleford, Glouc.
Then 1871 census she was age 43 b. Tutshill.
Can anyone help.

Hi all last time I used this site was Nov. 2010, helped by "slowhands" with much information.
I am now looking to find the parents of Mary Ann Beach b.1828ish. Who was my G.G. Grandmother. Later she became Rawlings by marraige June 1857. To John Mansell Rawlings, transcribed Sel for his middle name
1861 census she was down as b. Coleford, Glouc.
Then 1871 census she was age 43 b. Tutshill.
Can anyone help.

Do you have the 1857 marriage cert ?

Was Mary Ann a widow ?

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Helo Slowhands
I do not have a m. cert for her.
As for being a widow not sure about that.
Is this the only way I can find her parents, to obtain the m. cert?

Gloucestershirebdm

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/

John Mansell RAWLINGS/Mary Ann BEACH - FoD Monmouth Register Office 1857

and give the mother's maiden name as BEACH for the children (inc Frederick 1857)

1871 Census

RAWLINGS

John M - 39
Mary A - 43
Lucy - 8
Annie - 5
Isabel - 2

Helo Slowhands
I do not have a m. cert for her.
As for being a widow not sure about that.
Is this the only way I can find her parents, to obtain the m. cert?

Based on what I can "see" I have a suspicion that she was not known by BEECH/BEACH as a child, so either her mother married and took the BEECH name, or Mary ANN marries and becomes a BEECH - so a Marriage Cert might help resolve this.

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Could this be possibly be her, having "lost" some years off her age prior to her marriage perhaps. She is from the Tutshill "area" as per Slowhands' earlier post.

From the Glos FHS cd 1851 Census:

2444 1851 CENSUS HO107/2444 FF.0138-0153 ED.4C COLEFORD 1
Piece: 2444 Folio: 0147 Schedule: 057
Address: Berry Hill
BEACH Peter HD M 26 Shoe Maker GLS Coleford (c1825)
BEACH Eliza H. WI M 32 Shoe Maker's Wife GLS Coleford (c1819)
BEACH Maryann DA U 28 - GLS Tydnam [Tidenham] (c1823)

Just a thought, clearly would help by cross-referring wrt later Census's I don't have access to except via LDS.
Hope it helps a little, Jeff.

Could this be possibly be her, having "lost" some years off her age prior to her marriage perhaps. She is from the Tutshill "area" as per Slowhands' earlier post.

From the Glos FHS cd 1851 Census:

2444 1851 CENSUS HO107/2444 FF.0138-0153 ED.4C COLEFORD 1
Piece: 2444 Folio: 0147 Schedule: 057
Address: Berry Hill
BEACH Peter HD M 26 Shoe Maker GLS Coleford (c1825)
BEACH Eliza H. WI M 32 Shoe Maker's Wife GLS Coleford (c1819)
BEACH Maryann DA U 28 - GLS Tydnam [Tidenham] (c1823)

Just a thought, clearly would help by cross-referring wrt later Census's I don't have access to except via LDS.
Hope it helps a little, Jeff.

This is Ancestry's effort !

more cousin than daughter

Year: 1824
Month: Feb
Day: 17
Parents_Surname: BEACH
Child_Forenames: Peter
Fathers_Forenames: Elijah
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Coleford Newland in the County of Gloucester
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Tho[ma]s Nicholson (Church Officer
Event: Birth
Memoranda:
Notes: The Minister (Baptist Protestant dissenting) signs after a sentence in which he declares he was present at the birth on the date given. This is a record of Birth not Baptism
Register_Reference: D 2722 13
Page_Number: 80
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Baptist

1819 BEACH Edwin Elijah Mariah Town of Coleford Newland
in the County of Gloucest Coleford Baptist
1822 BEACH Charlotte Elijah Maria Coleford Newland in the
County of Gloucester Coleford Baptist
1869 BEACH Edith Elijah Maria Lane End Cordwainer Christchurch

1841
Elijah Beach abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Maria Beach abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Peter Beach abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Edith Beach abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire

1851
Ector Bruch abt 1825 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Eliza H Bruch abt 1819 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Maryann Bruch abt 1831 Tydnam, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire

1861
Peter Beach abt 1825 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Eliza Beach abt 1820 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Oliver Beach abt 1853 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Rosa Beach abt 1857 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Sabina Beach abt 1859 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland,

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1851
Ector Bruch abt 1825 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Eliza H Bruch abt 1819 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Maryann Bruch abt 1831 Tydnam, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire

Ah well, who am I to argue with THE world's biggest FH company ?.
"ector's House" it is then !

Oops, I hadnt noticed the blindingly obvious wrt the daughter's age wrt her "parents".

Seriously tho, this MaryAnn does appear to have left the Bxxxx household between 1851 & 1861 so fitting the 1857 marriage. ??

Thank you I have a chart with her age later http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=28780
1861c 33 St Johns st Newlands
1871c 43 Newlands st Coleford
1881c 53 now head as her husband had died, I have a feeling it may have been an accident as he was a painter/glazier?
So the ages were 5 yrs. out
I do have her daughter b. cert for 1865. Annie Sophie Rawlings (my Gr Grandmother.

Interesting 1851c Maryann Bruch abt.1831 Tydnam, Glouc.
Put's her age more in line with our Mary Ann Beach 1828.
I will just have to order her m. cert to be sure.
Thank you for all your help.

Hi,
wrt that "Bruch" Census, I think you can rest assured the Glos Family History Society transcription is the correct one and this is yet another unlikely "error" c/o Ancestry. Of course ideally if you can it's worth lookingup and reading the actual Census form itself and come to your own conclusions based on our own local knowledge of people & place names; altho at least here the place names seem correct and the family being placed in Coleford ie Newland area "fits" the other Census's perfectly. Don't forget if you don't have your own subscription to the likes of Ancestry or FindMyPast, both are available for free via UK public libraries.

Also freely avaiable albeit less humanfriendly is LDS, in addition to agreeing with aforementioned 1841 & 1861 Census' for the Beach household, it also gives the later ones as:

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England and Wales Census, 1871,
Peter Beach, Berry Hill, Newland, Monmouthshire, Wales

name: Peter Beach
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Male
age: 47
relationship to head of household: Self
birthplace: Coleford, Gloucestershire
record type: Household
registration district: Monmouth
sub-district: Coleford
event parish: Newland
county: Monmouthshire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
self Peter Beach M 47 Coleford, Gloucestershire
wife Eliza Beach F 53 Coleford, Gloucestershire
daughter Rosa Beach F 14 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire
daughter Sabina Beach F 11 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire

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England and Wales Census, 1881,
Peter Beach, West Dean (Gloucs), Monmouthshire, England

name: Peter Beach
age: 55
gender: Male
birth year: 1826
birthplace: Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Married
profession/occupation: Grocer
address: Berry Hill
census place: West Dean (Gloucs), Monmouthshire, England
disability:
record type: Household
family history library film: 1342259
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 5225 / 63
page number: 25
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head Peter Beach M 55 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
wife Elizabeth H Beach F 62 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
son Oliver Beach M 27 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England
daughter Rosa Beach F 24 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England

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Meanwhile as known Mary has married and so moved but still local;

England and Wales Census, 1871
Mary A Rawlings in household of John M Rawlings, Coleford, Newland, Monmouthshire, Wales

name: Mary A Rawlings
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Female
age: 43
relationship to head of household: Wife
birthplace: Tutshill, Gloucestershire
record type: Household
registration district: Monmouth
sub-district: Coleford
event parish: Newland
county: Monmouthshire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
self John M Rawlings M 39 St Clement Danes, Middlesex
wife Mary A Rawlings F 43 Tutshill, Gloucestershire
daughter Lucy C Rawlings F 8 Coleford, Gloucestershire
daughter Annie L Rawlings F 5 Coleford, Gloucestershire
daughter Isabel F Rawlings F 2 Coleford, Gloucestershire

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England and Wales Census, 1881,
Mary Ann Rawlings, Newland (Gloucs), Monmouthshire, England

name: Mary Ann Rawlings
age: 53
gender: Female
birth year: 1828
birthplace: Tutshill, Gloucestershire, England
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Widow
profession/occupation: Infant School Teacher
address: 6 Newland St
census place: Newland (Gloucs), Monmouthshire, England
disability:
record type: Household
family history library film: 1342258
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 5223 / 56
page number: 2
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head Mary Ann Rawlings F 53 Tutshill, Gloucestershire, England
daughter Florence J Rawlings F 12 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England

ALSO from this FoD Site:
think this is our Lucy

Details of Will,
Surname RAWLINGS
First Name Lucy Charlotte
Abode Crossways Staunton Road Coleford
Occupation
Year Proved 1929
Page Number 480
Year of Death 1929
Month of Death Oct
Day of Death 28
Value Under £272
Document Will
Notes _
Will Number Will_06312

Re the Death of John Rawlins, I would suggest a search of the local newspapers may well bear fruit ?.

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=34114
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=34654
etc

Jeff

Just to let anyone know I have just received the m. cert for the above. Her father was Humphrey Beach, grocer.
Thanks to all who replied.

Just to let anyone know I have just received the m. cert for the above. Her father was Humphrey Beach, grocer.
Thanks to all who replied.

Name: Humphrey Beach
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1864
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 21

1861
Humphrey Beach abt 1792 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire retired Grocer
Elizabeth Beach abt 1803 Witchurch, Herefordshire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Bertha Beach abt 1837 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Milson Beach abt 1839 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Albert Beach abt 1845 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

1851
Humphrey Beach abt 1792 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Peach abt 1802 Wicharch, Hertfordshire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Bertha Peach abt 1837 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Wilson Peach abt 1839 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Hubert Peach abt 1841 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Albert Peach abt 1848 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1841 Berry Hill
Hunsphery Beach abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Beach abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Bertha Beach abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Milson Beach abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Hubert Beach abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Year: 1835
Month: Aug
Day: 2
Grooms_Surname: BEACH
Grooms_Forenames: Humphrey
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: WILLIAMS
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: William Furber
Witness_2: Maria Beach
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: George Pyrke Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AC76/2
Page_Number: 46
Parish_Chapel: Whitchurch

1828 Mary born ??

Year: 1813
Month: Jan
Day: 25
Grooms_Surname: BEACH
Grooms_Forenames: Humphrey
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: ABRAHALL
Brides_Forenames: Priscilla
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: John Hartley
Witness_2: Elizabeth Hartley
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Charles Whatley Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AR90/6
Page_Number: 1
Parish_Chapel: Aston Ingham

Year: 1791
Month: Nov
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: ABRAHALL
Child_Forenames: Priscilla
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Martha
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Charles Whatley Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: of
Notes:
Register_Reference: AR90/2
Page_Number: 35
Parish_Chapel: Aston Ingham

Year: 1791
Month: Oct
Day: 30
Parents_Surname: BEACH
Child_Forenames: Humphry
Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Mothers_Forenames: Susan
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Clearwell
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: Any abbreviated forenames have been expanded to the full name
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 807
Parish_Chapel: Newland

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Hi Slowhands you have certainly helped me with my family tree over the years, a big thank you, for all your work.
Chris.