Newland PRs (General)
by sparkie 
, Monday, May 23, 2011, 17:22 (5001 days ago)
Hello
I wonder if someone with access to the Newland registers could check 2 entries:
1. Baptism of Sarah Burghum/Burgum etc 29 April 1821. I would like to verify her parents/father's names, and think she may have been mis-transcribed.
2. Marriage of Sarah Bingham to Moses Hawkins, 28 Oct 1856. I think this may be Sarah Burgham (as in FreeBMD), and again would like to verify her parents or father's name.
Many thanks.
Thomas BURGHAM - Redbrook
by m p griffiths , Monday, May 23, 2011, 17:55 (5001 days ago) @ sparkie
there are previous thread on the forum inc
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=23068
Looking at my Gloucestershire Baptism CD
Newland All Saints
BURGUM Sarah - 29 April 1821
Thomas (labourer) & Esther
residence: Redbrook
1841 Census, Newland
Upper Redbrook
BANGHAM
Thomas - 45 Iron Founder - born in County
Harriet - 35
Sarah - 20
John - 15 - Moulder
Henry - 10
James - 2
(some siblings have parents Thomas & Esther - then later on Thomas & Harriet)
FOD records: Burial at Newland 17 November 1833
Esther BURGHAM - aged 35 years - of Redbrook, wife of Thomas
Marriage at St Briavels - 11 January 1836 -
Thomas BURGHAM (Wdr) of Newland, married Harriett WEARE - witnesses: Richd MORGAN & Charlotte WEARE
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1851 Census, Newland
Upper Redbrook
BURGHAM
Thomas - 56 - Iron Founder, born Newland
Harriet - 46 - born Rofs, Herefordshire
Henry - 23 - Moulder, all born Newland
Lydia - 19
Edwin - 14
James Alfred - 12
William - 8
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1861 Census, Newland
Upper Redbrook
Moses HAWKINS - married 40 - labourer, all born Newland
Sarah - 40
James - 10
George - 2 and a third
1851 Census, Newland
Upper Redbrook
Moses HAWKINS - married - 30 labourer
Elizabeth - 23
Eliza - 2
James -?months
Thomas BURGHAM - Redbrook
by sparkie , Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:17 (5001 days ago) @ m p griffiths
Hello and thanks for your reply. The baptism for Sarah in 1821 is not in the FoD PArish records - hence my request - unless the name has been mis-transcribed. I have the census records, burial of Esther and re-marriage of Thomas to Harriett.
I have a death cert for Sarah Burghum of Redbrook in 1847, aged 26 which agrees with the 1821 baptism, and with Harriett as informant. However, Sarah is described as the wife of Thomas Burgham, ironfounder. I think she may be his daughter, not wife, so am looking for confirmation that she is the daughter of Thomas and Esther. If this is the case, and Harriett is her stepmother, she is not the same Sarah "Bingham" that married Moses Hawkins in 1856.
Sparkie.
Sarah BURGESS - 29 April 1821 - Newland
by m p griffiths , Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:36 (5001 days ago) @ sparkie
FOD records
Baptism at Newland -29 April 1821
BURGESS - Sarah
Father's Forename: Thomas
Mother's Forename : Esther
Residence: Redbrook
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating Minster : P M Procter - Vicar
Notes: In this record a surname was not clear so the best guess was given
Baptism at Newland 13 December 1818
Thomas - son of Thomas (Shearer) and Esther BURGUM
1841 Census Newland, Upper Redbrook
Thomas BURGHAM - 20 Moulder
Mary - 25 - Dressmaker
FOD records
Burial at Newland - 31 May 1842
Mary Ann BURGAM age 27 years, wife of Thomas
Sarah BURGESS - 29 April 1821 - Newland
by sparkie , Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 11:44 (5000 days ago) @ m p griffiths
Hello and thanks again for your response. I suspected Sarah's baptism would be entered under another name. However, as Thomas and Esther's Sarah died in 1847 she is not the Sarah who married Moses Hawkins in 1856 - although his Sarah was also from Newland and of the same age. Whenever I try to unravel the Burghum family I end up with clashing temples!
Sarah BURGESS - 29 April 1821 - Newland
by JanetB , Northamptonshire, Thursday, August 04, 2011, 23:29 (4928 days ago) @ sparkie
If you look in the 1881 census thomas burgham was living with sarah and moses hawkins and died a couple of years later. it is extremely confusing.
Sarah BURGESS - 29 April 1821 - Newland
by JanetB , Northamptonshire, Thursday, August 04, 2011, 23:49 (4928 days ago) @ JanetB
I am sure that my great grandmother was Esther burgham (1826) who married my great grandfather Richard Howells in 1840 as a minor who was a daughter of Thomas and Esther.
Sarah BURGESS - 29 April 1821 - Newland
by sparkie , Saturday, August 06, 2011, 14:22 (4926 days ago) @ JanetB
THis Sarah Burgham (wife of Moses) cannot be the daughter of Thomas Burgham/Burgum of Redbrook and his wife Harriet as she died in 1847. (Her death cert describes her as wife of Thomas but I think this is incorrect, she was their daughter). Moses Hawkins and Sarah Burgham ( not Bingham) were married in 1856 - I suspect her father living with them in 1881, is not Thomas Burghum the ironfounder, but another Thomas. Sarah, wife of Moses, could be the Sarah Burgham in C1851, a servant living in Abbey Orchard House and born in Newland. This family makes my temples clash!
Sarah BURGESS / Burgham - 29 April 1821 - Newland
by brian.burgham , Newbury Berks, Sunday, August 07, 2011, 14:58 (4925 days ago) @ JanetB
Sarah Hawkins' grave is right alongside that of Thomas Burgham, ironfounder, on the north side of Newland church. She was buried in 1886, three years after Thomas, and was 65 years old according to the inscription. This gives a birth date of 1821, and therefore I have always assumed that she was his daughter
I am sending photos of both graves to FOD.
One interesting thing is that they are both the same shape.
We need to rethink who was the other Sarah.
Hope this helps.
Brian Burgham
Sarah BURGESS / JONES? - 29 April 1821 - Newland
by m p griffiths , Sunday, August 07, 2011, 17:17 (4925 days ago) @ brian.burgham
Thomas and Esther's son Thomas BURGUM(jnr) - christened at Newland 13 December 1818 - (his first wife Mary died in 1842)
Assume the burial record 23 December 1851, Thomas BURGHAM of Redbrook age 33 is him. Could Sarah have been his second wife?
there is a marriage FreeBDM - Hereford 1844
Thomas BURGHAM and there is a Sarah JONES
Church of Latter Day Saints
Marriage at All Saints, Hereford, 1844
Thomas BURGHAM (Groom's father name: Thomas BURGHAM) to
Sarah JONES (Bride's father name: Timothy JONES)
which could tie up with
baptism at Littledean - 18 March 1821
Sarah JONES, parents Timothy & Mary - residence hundred of St Briaveles
Sarah BURGESS / JONES? - 29 April 1821 - Newland
by brian.burgham , Newbury Berks, Friday, August 26, 2011, 10:03 (4906 days ago) @ m p griffiths
One point that may be worth recording, even if it does not help us in identifying Sarah Burgham, is that in BOTH the FOD entry - see below - and in the Death Certificate the SAME reference appears to her being the wife of Thomas Burgham.
If the official certificate was made out in a Registrars Office, and the parish record separately in the church, then maybe there is some truth in the fact that she really was the wife of a Thomas Burgham but we are no nearer to establishing who she was. If on the other hand they were done at the same time, or copied from a note with the wrong information for example, then the error may have been purely clerical.
I am convinced that she wasn't the wife of the Thomas Burgham who owned along with James Davies the foundry in Upper Redbrook.
As far as he is concerned, he definitely had two wives, Esther Knight who he married at Newland on the 21st July 1816, and who was buried at Newland on 17th November 1833,and then Harriet Weare who he married on the 11th January, 1836, also at Newland and she was most certainly his wife when she was present at the death of Sarah in 1847. Harriet lived until 1879 and is also buried at Newland in the same grave as Thomas on the north side of the church where it can be seen today. The gravestone records both names, although her's is more difficult to decipher. The stone at the foot has the letters H B.
Thomas' continued presence in Upper Redbrook is born out by the various census's from 1841 to 1881. There is also a handwritten letter from him dated 1864 and written from Redbrook Iron Foundry concerning the quality of the ore that he was using. This can be found at Gloucester Record Office in the file containing Dr Hart's notes on the Forest. His Will which was written in 1850 also states quite clearly that he came from Redbrook.
One of the problems in sorting out the Burgham history is that there are too many Thomas's who married a Sarah!! One of those was a Sarah Howell at Linton, another a Partridge at Lydney - but the first was buried at Aston Ingham in 1829 and the other at Newland in 1833.
Where Thomas came from is unclear, but that is another story and full of guesses!!
30319
Entry_Number: 3
Year: 1847
Month: Jan
Day: 7
Surname: BURGHAM
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: Redbrook
Age_at_death: 26
Officiating_Minister: G. Ridout Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: Wife of Thomas Burgham
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/27
Page_No: 1
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: B625