Thanks for that David I obviously read it wrong.

Where I indicate time is premium - that is a general statement; but I've been laid low since last October with Shingles in the leg which apparently is a very rare place to get it and perhaps just as well - I wouldn't wish it on anyone - it practically took out the nerve ends of every mucle and for quite some time I was virtually like a jelly fish. It's starting to come back now - hopefully completely fingers crossed; so I do actually have more time to spare at the minute than usual, and will try to participate and contribute where and what I can. In fact as I write this I see somethings come in from Maurice Teague - the way it's going it might be hard to keep up for a while!!!

Not got far enough into your site yet so some things may be already covered. E.G. we have a organisation here called Dean Forest Voice (DFV) www.deanforestvoice.org (sorry haven't worked out how to insert live link yet - can't seem to get the button on the right to do what I want??) this link will tell you quite a bit about whats gone and going on more recently - I don't like rattling my own cage that much but I was largely responsible for it. I organised a meeting of Commoners, Freeminers, and other grass root Foresters at the Miners Welfare Hall at Cinderford to introduce a Gov. Countryside Agency Officer called Val Kirby - Val - lovely lady - and her small team came here to carry out a social experiment called Intergrated Rural Development (IRD). Shortly after the meeting had been publicised foot & mouth broke out but sanatisation procedures were quickly organised and we went on with it. The Hall was packed and the atmosphere superb; and out of it came the suggestion to set up DFV initially to work with Val K who coincidentally had spent much of her time working in NewZealand.

As it happened a film crew were here filming for the Forestry Commission and they filmed the entire proceedings which they kindly gave me a tape of.

This is one incident of a much larger event which I suspect is well remembered by most Forest posters when a Group called Action Against Quarrying (AAQ) got jittery and claimed that virtually the entire South Forest area was under threat of large scale quarrying and began a campaign to give the Forest a Special Status. It coincided with a general election which brought a Government Minister here called Frank Dobson and he cottoned on and promised them the earth!! which actually a lot of us knew wasn't deliverable. Nevertheless AAQ presurised local MP of the day Dian Organ for Dobson to keep his word and consequently she attempted to drive their agenda with an Early Day Motion that failed - if truth is known she didn't have much option with AAQ so heavilly on her back. Anyway I then got word of a exercise going on where a Consultancy called LUC was engaged in a 'workshop' project in front specially selected audiences to look at various other alternatives which could have seriously damage our ancient mining and quarrying rights, not least because they were largely a bunch of kneejurking Nimmbies from posher parts. Previous to this I had been actively countering AAQ in the local press (The Forester; Wye Valley Review and so on.). Anyway Dian Organ recommended I go along to one of these sessions to see for myself; but when I got there they wouln't let me in; so I gate crashed and quickly established that out of eighty odd people in the room there weren't many I knew. So on that I asked the Chairman (Stephen Wright) to let me speak and I simply said that appart from one or two I didn't see many Foresters hyere and on that Dr Camp's wife Gill jumped up and said well lets have a show of hands and the result was 6 of um!! The room fell silent. Then I proposed that the proper contributors lay out side the room and the meeting broke up; I didn't hear of another; and inj next to no time the Countryside Agency came here with their IRD which was brilliant because one of the earliest coonclusions they came up with was that the Forest has two distinctive Unique Lanscapes - One Scenic and the other Cultural and it's the latter of these that DFV are working to keep alive and well.

Anyone wanting to find more about some of the things I get up to - try searching 'Vurrister' on Google and you might come across some of the evidence doc's etc. that I do now and then to Gov. Select Committees - Local Councils and the like. - Not sure what's out there right now - it seems to change - but there's often something or other. - Most recently I have responded to The Local Planning Framework Core Strategy Doc.; and right now I'm working on similar objections to a scheme out to consultation now called the 'The Northern Quarter' near Cinderford which aims to develop and take out over 100 acres of Forest Waste (Waste is legal term for all Statutory Forest land irrespective of tree cover not legally enclosed by the Enclosures Acts 1667 and 1808).

Hope someone finds this interesting.

Incidentally; The next meeting of DFV will be Monday 6th June 2011 at the Royal Foresters Mile End at 7.30p.m - Everybody welcome

Best regards

Mike J

By the zize o' thye tree not za good as thow o'll butty. I'd be interested in seeing?

The research I did was not long after Anstis book came out so I need to do some file diving first and I'm not very mobile right now so might take a few days or so but I will get back to you with it.

In the meantime: Unfortunately GGM Hannah's bible only contains details from her siblings down. No body ever seems to have understood why? But if it is of any help her Bible carries the date 1872 and her first born William Junior was born 2nd October 1875 - she had three others over 11 years and she died not many years after her eldest got drowned at Union. Strangely enough her death is not recorded, nor either of the Williams so there's another family mystery that was never unravelled. According to the newspaper report of his death (not funeral) GGF William Martin presided over the Freeminers Association and was also a member of the Coleford Urban District Council whicd was the first Council to be formed in the Forest C 1895 - 1918 I have never bothered to follow any of this through in detail - the fact that he was has always been good enough; and there has always been more important things; he was 68 when he died and lived alone, - collapsed suddenly; was a Forestry worker at the time; and owned the Berry Hill shop. Hannah died not many years after William Junior was killed at Union; broke her heart it was said - probably understandable when you read the reports. Hannah and William are burried at Christchurch between William Junior on one side and Herbert Gwatkin (one of the other casualties) on the other. Not sure if any of this is relevant to your interest but i thought I'd set it down just the same?

One point of curiosity is the dificulty some posters to the Teague / Marfell thread seemed to have as a reult that many couldn't write (the decendents not the researchers). But the Industrial Teagues decendants that I found almost invariably wrote in similar beautiful style. This soon became a quick sifting factor for trawling the microfiches. I took more care where the writing matched; which I initially took as a first indication of the same family - GGM Hannas' writing in her bible is in the same style. Would be interested to know if you or any others experienced anything similar. I'm talking here about direct decendents of.

Nice to hear from you will be back again shortly.

Best regards

Mike J.

Hi Mike & Maurice

The names Teague & Marfell caught my eye as I have 50 Teague's in my family and my main interest is the Marfell family of which I have 1468. I struggled however to
find specifics. However I do have a George Teague 1753 who married a Hannah Martin as below :

Year: 1776
Month: Jul
Day: 14
Grooms_Surname: TEAGUE
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: extraparochials adjoining to this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: MARTIN
Brides_Forenames: Hannah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: extraparochials adjoining to this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: 1776 Jun 9 16 23
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: George Martin
Witness_2: Richard Powell
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Ja[mes Meredith (Rector)
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: He and she marked but such was not stated. Banns are on page 76 (twice) & combined with this entry
Register_Reference: P138 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 37
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor

There is a baptism for a George Teague 16 Dec 1753 Ruardean to a James & Hannah, but the spelling is Teauge.

My interest in this George Teague & Hannah nee Martin is that their daughter Ann 1781/1872 married my 5 times Great Uncle Moses Marfell 1774/1861. Moses Marfell 1774 and Ann nee Teague had a son Edmund 1800 who married Anne Burdock 1804, they had 6 children including Hiram born 15 March 1838 - see below for details of Hiram. Detailed below are my notes for Moses Marfell where you will see that the memorial inscription was wrong.

1841 Census Harry Hill
Moses Marfell head M 66 Labourer

1851 Census
87
MARFIELD Moses 80 Ag. Lab Ruardean

At a different address along the street, his wife :

1851 Census
93
MARFIELD Ann 70 House Proprietor Ruardean
Leah Grand Daughter 9 East Dean

Newland 1799
# 18
Moses Marfell, Batchelor and Ann Teague, Spinster both on the Hundred of St Briavel's were married in this Church by Banns this 19th day of August in the year one thousand seven hundred and ninety-nine by me R. Gibson, Vicar
This marriage was solemnized between us (both signed)
In the presence of John Marfell Tho's Bond

Memorial Inscription ;
(north) In memory of Moses MARFELL who died Feb 28 1861 aged 87 years. Also Ann his wife who died May 25 1872, aged 91 years.
(west) Also Mary Ann daughter of Edmund and Ann MARFELL of Drybrook who died Jan 3?rd 1880 aged 72 years. Also Ann his wife who died Oct 19 1871 aged 67 years.
(east) Also Lydia daughter of Edmund and Ann MARFELL who died June 18th 1868,25 years.

Mary Ann was born in 1835 - she could not have been the child of Edmund & Ann she would have been born in 1808. It quotes her parents as Edmund & Ann, who married in 1833. Mary Ann was born in 1835, her mother Ann was born in 1804. The death date quoted is that of Edmund Marfell.

Notes for Hiram Marfell 1838 :

2 Birth Certificates - I have both. Birth registered twice at Ross & Westbury.
1870 Emigrated to USA. Working as labourer in Denver 1876. 1880 Census Denver.1900 US Census shown as Widower, retired Mine owner.

1884 - in a civil case "Union Pacific Railway versus McDONALD", the Jackson,
Marfell & Mitchell mines Erie, Co. are referred to -In Union Pacific Railway versus GOODRIDGE the company Goodridge & Marfell is mentioned as sueing the railway for fixing rates on hauling coal.

I have a lengthy document regarding Hiram Marfell and his sueing the Union Pacific Railway, but it is written by him and therefore needs a few morsels of salt.

In Erie, Colorado there is a Marfell Street.

I tend to follow siblings & parents of spouses and follow those lines - sometimes too far. I have a Maurice Teague in my Family Tree whose great grandfather George Teague 1854 married Emma Powell 1850. They are only in my tree as George Teague & Emma's son William George Teague 1872 married Alice Abiah Simmonds 1876. Alice Abiah had a sister Julia Hannah Simmonds born 23.4.1876 who married my 7th cousin twice removed William Tippins born 7.1.1858.

If this is your line Maurice, is there a connection between George Teague 1854 and George Teague 1753 ?

Jim Ashton

Maurice

Regarding the dates for Hannah Teague nee Martin :

Record_ID: 40389
Entry_Number: 4079
Year: 1815
Month: Nov
Day: 25
Surname: TEAGUE
Forenames: Hannah
Residence: Ruardean
Age_at_death: 62 y[ea]rs
Officiating_Minister: G D Fosbroke Min[iste]r
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: wife of George
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/12
Page_No: 12
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
Soundex: T200

Regarding my own question concerning a link from George Martin 1753 & Hannah Martin 1753 to George Teague 1854, it could be George Teague 1753 & Hannah Martin to son Cornelius 1785 & Sarah Harris to son George 1824 & Mary Ann 1821 to son George 1854.

Jim Ashton

Hi

Hannah was dau of George Teague & Harriet Aston she married William Martin 24 Jan 1875 at The Independant Chapel, Monmouth,England. I have 2 children in my databse
William George 1876 & Annie 1880.

They are not related to the Industrialists although George parents are Thomas Teague & Amy Wintle, Thomas from Edward Teague & Elizabeth Williams;

I hope this helps clarify.

Gill Webb

Hi Gilly,
from the extensive Parish Records on this site there are several Hubert Teagues but none born 1860. However there is one Eubert listed and he's born 1860. Parents as below. No other PRs though under name Eubert.

Record_ID: 57869
Entry_Number: 1389
Year: 1860
Month: Aug
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: TEAGUE
Child_Forenames: Eubert Charles
Fathers_Forenames: Charles
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lydbrook
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: William Penfold
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: Confirm forename spelt Eubert
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 174
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
Soundex: T200

Its interesting to see the note re confirming spelling of name, presumably this was the Minister's note ?. I suspect it has been misspelt as Hubert elsewhere though ?.

I've found a Baptism record dated 1886 Feb 22 for a Mary Teague, daughter of Hubert(Collier of Blaina, Monmouth) & Charlotte; is this the Hubert you also mention ?.

Re: Eubert Charles TEAGUE - christening - 12 August 1860 - parents Charles & Mary

1861 Census, East Dean

TEAGUE

Charles - 38
Mary - 21
Fance - 17
Maryann - 4
Agnes Eliza - 2
Hubert Charles TEAGUE - 9 months