Elizabeth Clarke nee Griffiths c.1788 -1861

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I may have found my missing Elizabeth, but I am unsure of it and hope someone might be able to help me sort this out.

Elizabeth was missing from the 1841 census, when her husband was living on Blakeney Hill with two of their children (Richard, 20 and Henry, 8). Until I received William's 1845 will, which shows her living, I had assumed she was deceased.

During the 1850s she owned three properties in the Blakeney area. An Elizabeth Clarke, of the correct age (my Elizabeth was baptised at Lydney in 1788, daughter of James and Margaret GRIFFITHS) is living in Eastgate Road in the City of Gloucester. She is a widow, living alone, and lists her occupation as "land and houses". This Elizabeth dies 29 May 1861 according to probate records. Executors were listed as two gentlemen, Thomas MEYLER of Somersetshire (an insurance agent from Bristol, and John Jackson. (There is a John Jackson, a farmer who owns 70 acres of land, living on Blakeney Hill on the 1851 census, but I don't know if this is the same person).

Anyone care to weigh in on this one? Sending for the will may be the solution, but York is not particularly user friendly regarding overseas payments, so that is not an option at the moment.

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Don't know if these events are any help.

Marriage James Griffiths and Margaret Roberts Parish Newland/Bream 1Nov1783. Witness James Robins.

Marriage Elizabeth Griffiths and William Clarke Parish Newland (Both of Hundred of St Briavel's) 12July1815. Witnesses George Kear and Thomas Bond. Thos. Bond not significant, he was a sidesman or similar at All Saints.

Good Luck,

Roger

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Thank you, Roger.

Thomas Bond was the Clerk, and therefore witnessed a great number of marriages.

At the moment I am focussing on where Elizabeth was, since I can't account for her in any of the usual places. She disappears from the Forest records after the birth of her youngest son in 1833 or so. I had assumed she passed away, however, she was alive in 1845 when her husband passed away.

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1841 ?
Eliza Chack abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Newnham, Gloucestershire

1851 Blakeney Hill
Elizabeth Clark abt 1798 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Pugh abt 1828 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Johnsons abt 1799 Staffordshire, England Visitor East Dean, Gloucestershire

1861 Eastgate St Gloucester
Elizabeth Clarke abt 1785 Awe, Gloucestershire, England Wife [WIDOW] Gloucester St Michael, Gloucestershire

Name: Elizabeth Clark
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1861
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 177

Name: Elizabeth Clark
Probate Date: 5 Jun 1861
Death Date: 29 May 1861
Death Place: Gloucestershire, England
Registry: Gloucester

CLARK Elizabeth
The will of Elizabeth Clark late of Eastgate St in the
city of Gloucester Widow deceased who died 29th May
1861 at eastgate Street aforesaid was proved at Gloucester
by the oaths of Thomas Meyler of Taunton in the county
of Somerset Gentleman and John Jackson of the said
city Gentleman the Executors

Effects under £600 resworn at the Stamp Office Sept 1861
under £800

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And she who was lost, now is found . . . I think.

Thanks.

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Gloucestershire Marriage Index/FOD records

Marriage at Gloucester St Mary De Lobe - 30 June 1833 (?too early)

Richard PUGH/Elizabeth CLARKE by Banns

no witnesses listed

? Gloucester Baptism Index

St Mary De Grace - 27 June 1834

John PUGH, parents Richard (Shoemaker) and Elizabeth

'The Lodger William JOHNSON, age 52, on the 1851 census with Elizabeth CLARK(E) and Eliza PUGH is also a Shoemaker'

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I saw that and dismissed it as too early, but made note of it. I thought I would check later if this Elizabeth is an aunt of my Eliza. (She's not: Eliza's youngest Aunt -- Harriett -- was born in 1788). It might explain how she met her husband. He died between 1851 and 1855. Eliza remarries Henry Wood, son of Jacob Wood and Sarah nee Inman (married Awre, 1811). Henry and Eliza have four children, the eldest isn't inmcluded in the baptismal records, but Henry (1857), Sarah Elizabeth (1860) nd Harriett (1862) are.

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re: Probate of Elizabeth CLARK(E)

Thomas Meyler - of Taunton, Somerset (obviously Elizabeth knew him from Gloucester)

1861 Census, Somerset, St Mary Magdalen

Thomas MEYLER - 30 - Solicitor, born Glos. St Michael
Mary MEYLER - 21- born Glos. St Aldate
Beatrice M MEYLER - - under 11 months, born Somerset, Taunton
+ a couple of servants

Pallot's Baptism Index for England - 1780- 1837

Thos MEYLER - baptism date - Sept 1830

Wm Morgan MEYLER and Eleanor Maria Mowbray MEYLER (listed as a Mari Surgeon - Gloucestershire Baptism Index) - Marriage on FOD records, at Gloucester St Mary de Crypt - 18 September 1827)- Eleanor WALKER)

Gloucester, St Michael

1841 Census, Glos. St Michael
Eastgate Street

MEYLER

William - 50 - Surgeon - not born in County
Eleanor - 37
Eleanor - 12
Thomas - 10
Alice - 7

+ couple of servants

1861 Census, Glos, Eastgate Street

MEYLER

William- 73 - Magistrate of City of Gloucester, Coll Surgeons in Practice, born Somerset Bath
Eleanor - 59 - born Cornwall, Toovey
Alice - unmarried - 27 - born Gloucester, Glos.

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Thomas MEYLER - Taunton, Somerset

England & Wales, National Probate Calender - Index of Wills and Adminstration - 1861-1941

MEYLER, William Morgan (effects under £3,000)

5 December 1862

The Will with two Codicils of William Morgan MEYLER late of the City of Gloucester, Surgeon, deceased who died 15 November 1862 at Ashmeade House in the said City was proved at Gloucester by the oaths of Eleanor Maria Mowbray MEYLER of Ashmeade House, aforesaid Widow the Relect (during Widowhood) and Thomas MEYLER of 4 The Crescent Taunton, in the County of Somerset, Solicitor, the Son the Executors.

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Elizabeth's CLARKE's Will - re: John JACKSON, of the City (Gloucester) - Gentleman

1861 Census, Gloucester St Owen

Parliament Street

John JACKSON, 53 - Land and Houses - born Glos. Maismore
Ann - 39 - born Nottingham
Elizabeth A C JACKSON - 12 - born Gloucester

and this family are living in Eastgate Street, 1851 census

1851 Census. St Michael, Eastgate Street

John JACKSON, 43 - Beer Retailer, born Glos Maisemore
Ann JACKSON - 37 - born Nottingham
Elizabeth A JACKSON - under 7 months -

+ servants and visitors

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Thank you. I think it's all starting to come together . . . Elizabeth has proven to be a bit of a challenge to trace!

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If you follow John and Ann JACKSON through the census -

1871 Census, Gloucestershire, St Owen
Brunswick Road

John JACKSON, 63, Retired I Plumber, born Glos. Maisemore
Ann - 47 - Nottingham
Elizabeth A - unmarried daughter, 22 - born Gloucester

on the 1881 census - they are living at 1 Park Road, Gloucestershire

John JACKSON - Head - Mar - 73 - Retired Plumber - born Gloucestershire, Maisemore
Ann JACKSON - wife - married - 56 - wife of the above - born Nottingham

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar,

1889

JACKSON, John - Personal Estate £3,485 18s 6d.

20 February 1889

The Will of John JACKSON, late of 1 Park-road in the City of Gloucester, Gentleman, who died 6 February 1889 at 1 Park-road was proved at Gloucester by Richard WARNE, of 12 Vauxhall-road in the Said City, Water Inspector and Samuel CLUTTERBUCK of Stonehouse, in the County of Gloucester, Tailor and Woollen Draper - the nephews two of the Executors.

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1881 Census, Gloucester Barton St Mary

12 Vaxuhall Road

Richard WARNE, mar - 50 Water Inspector, all born Gloucester
Elizabeth WARNE - 32
Richard WARNE - Son - unmarried age - 32 Shoemaker c 1849
Frederick WARNE - son - age 4
Leonard WARNE - son - age 3

???

1851 Census, Gloucester 8 Castle Entry

Richard WARNE - age 24 - Painter & Glazier
Mary A WARNE - 29 - Dressmaker (previously HYDE - Marriage J/F/M Qtr 1848 - Gloucester)
Richard WARNE - 2
Emma WARNE - 0 months
Robert HYDE - Stepson - age 10
Joseph HYDE - Stepson - age 8 - born Worcester
Samuel HYDE - 64 - Uncle -unmarried - - receiving Parish Relief, Formerly Gardener, born Glos Awre **
Esther BOTHAM - 68 - - mother - in - law - born Glos. Awre **

** 1861 Census, Glos. No. 1 Passage off Barton Street

Samuel HYDE - unmarried - age 72, day labourer, born Glos. Blakeney

FOD records - 4 July 1784 - Awre - Esther HYDE (parents Robert & Sarah)

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This makes a fairly persuasive argument that this is my Elizabeth, since you have been able to make the link back to Blakeney . . .

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I am interested in any marriage information for Eliza CLARKE b.1827 to William CLARKE and Elizabeth GRIFFITHS

Record ID 133728
Entry Number 791
Year 1827
Month Jun
Day 24
Parents Surname CLARKE
Child Forenames Eliza
Fathers Forenames William
Mothers Forenames Elizabeth
Mothers Surname
Residence Forest of Dean
Occupation Labourer
Officiating Minister J[acob] George Wrench
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P50 IN1/1
Page Number 99
Parish Chapel Blakeney

In her Aunt Harriett CLARKE's will (1854 I think) she is referred to as Eliza WOOD. Census information after 1861 shows her living in Blakeney Hill with her second husband, Henry WOOD and their four children.

The census for 1851 shows her living on Blakeney Hill with her mother, Elizabeth CLARKE, and at that time her name is listed as Eliza PUGH.

Henry WOOD was born in 1823. son of Jacob WOOD and Sarah INMAN, married Awre 1811.

I haven't been able to find any record of either of her marriages, or the death of Mr. Pugh, who remains nameless for the moment. Her eldest child does not appear on the baptismal records, however, the three youngest (Henry, Sarah Elizabeth and Harriett do.)

Jacob and Sarah WOOD baptised Henry twice, once at Blakeney Chapel and once at Newnham and Blakeney Tabernacle, so there is some history on non-conformism in the family. Additionally, Eliza's youngest brother was for some inexplicable reason buried at Blakeney Baptist (although he and his siblings were all christened at Blakeney Chapel.)

If anyone is able to help me with her marriage information, or anything regarding the mysterious Mr. PUGH I would appreciate it.

Thanks.

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Census records -- Blakeney Hill

1861
Henry, woodcutter, 36
Eliza, 36
Amphlis Clara, 6 (this appears to be the only record for her)
Henry, 4
Sarah Elizabath, 1

1871
Henry, 47
Eliza, 44
Henry, 13
Harriett, 4

1881
Henry, 57
Eliza, 54
Sarah E., 21
Harriett, 19

1891
Henry Wood, 67
Eliza Woo, 63

Henry,s burial is recorded at Blakeneuy Chapel, March 18, 1898

1901 -- Lowfield, Awre
William Turley, 45 (born Awre)
Harriett Turley, 34 (born Blakeney)
Eliza Wood, 72 (mother in law) (born Blakeney)

Eliza Wood,s burial is recorded at Blakeney Chapel 3 January 1917, age 88

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I found Amphlis' birth registration, Westbury on Severn, AMJ 1855 (6a-189). It didn't appear under her full name with the search on ancestry but did appear when I searched for her forename only. I haven't found any record for her after the 1861 census.

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Name: Ampliss Clara Wood
name: William Lane ?
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1874
Registration district: Westbury On Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 363

Year: 1874
Month: Mar
Day: 18
Grooms_Surname: LANE
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: 21
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Wire-drawer
Grooms_Residence: East Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Lane
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Mark
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Wire-cleaner
Brides_Surname: WOOD
Brides_Forenames: Amphliss Clara
Brides_Age: 18
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: East Dean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Wood
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Henry
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Mark of Henry Barber
Witness_2: Mark of Sarah Beddis
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: G.A. Allan Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 108
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

Year: 1876
Month: Aug
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: WATHEN
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: 36
Groom_Condition: widower
Grooms_Occupation: Sawyer
Grooms_Residence: Yorkley
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Wather
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: LANE
Brides_Forenames: Amphliss Clara
Brides_Age: 21
Brides_Condition: widow (spinster)
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Yorkley
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Wood
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Henry
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Henry Gunter
Witness_2: Sarah Wood
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Jo[hn] Jo[seph] Elsworth Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/21
Page_Number: 167
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1881
William Wathen abt 1841 Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Amphlis Wathen abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
Jinnie Wathen abt 1870 Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire

1891
William Wathen abt 1839 Cambridge, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Amphliss Wathen abt 1856 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Henry Wathen abt 1884 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

1901
William Wathen abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Amelia Wathen abt 1855 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Henry W Wathen abt 1884 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Newland, Gloucestershire

<><><> ??
Name: Amphliss Watkins
Birth Date: abt 1855
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1927
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 33

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You're brilliant! I don't know why I wasn't able to find her marriage through ancestry uk, but I'm grateful that you did!

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Do you think WATKINS is a mistranscription (in cursive similar in shape to WATHEN)( or is she likely to have married a third time?

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Instinct says a mis transcription - but its only a hunch just now.

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The youngest brother -- Charles George Goss/Cross{?) has been accounted for. Since he is not mentioned in his father's will, it is fairly safe to assume the "child of William Clarke" buried at Blakeney Baptist in 1837 is Charles . . .

Henry has been a bit of a challenge as well, but I think I've managed to find him in a few more census'. In 1841 he is eight, living with his father on Blakeney Hill. In 1851 he is living in Garndiffaith, Trevethin. (I should have looked their earlier, considering I knew that was where his brother Richard was living at the time.) In 1861 he is back on Blakeney Hill, age 36, living with his wife, Ellen. Haven't found a marriage for them, but she was born in Oldbury, Glos c. 1838. (Henry, born Blakeney Hill, 1831).

After that, I cannot find them. I have checked the death index, probate records (he inherited a messuage and orchard from his father, so one would think he would have left a will to be probated. I also checked emigration . . . No joy.

Ann, c. 1809, William Clarke's daugther with his first wife, Hanna Williams, died in 1812, as did Hanna. Their son Thomas, c.1806 also inherits from his father, but I have no leads on him at all, nor on William and Elizabeth Griffith's eldest son, William c. 1817, also in his father's will.

Ann, c 1818 marries Thomas Virgo 13 August 1838 in Newland; they had a large family they raised in Gibraltar, she was buried at Viney Hill 27 Feb 1895.

Richard c. 1820 we know about. I still haven't managed to find the four children he and Sarah Ann Vining had who did not survive to adulthood yet. If they were stillborn there might not have been a record . . . all I know is that in the 1911 census, when I would have thought Sarah Ann would have listed having 3 children born, she said she had 7 children in total, three of them living.

And Eliza has been a subject of this thread. So . . .of the eight children, I've lost Henry but had at least a few leads on him, but can't trace Thomas or William at all. The names are too common, and none of the contenders thus far have been a perfect fit.

I'm sure I've made some foolish mistake -- this site is a lot more user friendly than I find ancestry.uk -- on ancestry even when I think I've put in the same search terms I don't always get the same results. And sometimes a solid lead (Elizabeth in Thornbury comes to mind) but it doesn't make immediate sense to me and I discard it too early. Or potentially too early -- jury is still out on that one.

Chances are if we run them to earth they're not any further away than Yorkley or Viney Hill. Richard was living in Yorkley at the time his father's will was proved (1845-46). I think I've reached a dead end here, so if anyone has any suggestions I would be grateful. Again. Or is it still?

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'In 1861 he is back on Blakeney Hill, age 36, living with his wife, Ellen. Haven't found a marriage for them, but she was born in Oldbury, Glos, C1838, (Henry, born Blakeney Hill, 1831)'

1861 Census, Glos. East Dean

Henery CLARKE - 29, Quarryman, born Blakeney Hill (crossed through) East Dean
Ellen CLARKE - 22 - born, Oldbury, Worcestershire. (transcribed - Gloucestershire by Ancestry, but census, says Worcestershire)

There is a Marriage on FreeBDM - O/N/D Qtr 1859 - West Bromwich (which covers Oldbury)

Henry James CLARKE - and there is an Ellen MORRIS listed.

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Thank you!!! I never would have seen that in a million years. First, I didn't even know that Henry/Henerey had a middle name. (James is his maternal grandfather.) And assuming I did find it, West Bromwich wouldn't have rung any bells.

It took me forever just to figure out that the relevent part of Blakeney, for registration districts and census tracts could be Newnham, Westbury on Severn, Awre, Blakeney, Blakeney Hill, Blakeney Woodside, East Dean or Extra-Parochial FOD. I am never going to get the hang of this.

The "James" part might be a big clue. I'll have another go at it tonight.

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