Hello, I have just discovered this wonderful forum. I have been investigating my family tree, but there are several, headscratching gaps.

Most of the mystery surrounds my great-grandfather, Albert HAINE (born abt 1868). On 29th Jan, 1919, he married Georgina PREEST at the Baptist Chapel in Lydney. Albert was 52 and Georgina was 25. By my calcuations, she was already several months pregnant with my grandmother at the time of the wedding.

Albert's father is listed on the marriage cetificate as Fred HAINE (deceased). Fred's occupation was farmer, and Albert's was Farm Bailiff. Georgina's father was Henry Thomas PREEST, a Coal Hewer. Both Georgina (occ. General Servant) and Albert had the same address listed on the wedding certificate: Close Turf, St Briavels. I'm guessing she was in service there? And that's where they met?

However, I can find no birth records for Albert HAINE, nor for Fred HAINE. Also, I cannot find any census records at all for Albert HAINE, Fred HAINE nor Georgina PREEST. Does anyone have any information that could help me?

With thanks

Donna

I have Georgina Preest as the daughter of Henry Thomas Preest and Mary Ann Aston born Bream 1892/3, She was a servant at a public house for Eliza Skipp a widow a licensee of a public house in Breams Eaves in 1911.

My connection is the Aston family. My grandmother was Hilda Florence Aston.

Best regards
Carol Brown

Thank you Carol. I'm curious about the public house and Eliza Skipp in Breams Eaves in 1911. Would you be happy to share further the information you have about the pub? I'd be so grateful (and happy to reciprocate of course, if there is anything I can help you with).
Best
Donna

My only information regarding eliza skipp is taken from the 1911 census sorry. However I have a long line and a lot of very interesting Aston information if you would like to know about it. Why dont you email me. Looking forward to hearing from you.
Carol

Hello
it's been a while since I've been on the forum. I thought I might be worth posting again. My great-grandmother, Georgina PREEST married Albert HAINE on 29th January 1919 at the Baptist Chapel in Lydney. I've happily been able to find out quite a bit about the Preests, but I have drawn an absolute blank on Albert. I have their marriage certificate. They were both resident at Close Turf, St Briavel's at the time of the wedding. Albert's father, Fred HAINE (deceased) was a Farmer. The marriage was witnessed by Sam WILDIN and Flossie LEWIS. Any information about Albert (who is a complete mystery!) much welcomed.

Thank you.

Close Turf Farm,Bream Road Lydney, GL15 6RA

1888 BAKER Ada Emma Edwin Charlotte Close Turf Labourer Bream
1888 BAKER Thomas Hiram Edwin Charlotte Close Turf Labourer Bream

1901Close Turf Farm
John Griffiths
Mary Dew Griffiths
Edward Baker abt 1853 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Head St Briavels, Gloucestershire Farm Baliff
Charlotte Baker abt 1848 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Wife St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Ada Baker abt 1886 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Daughter St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Tom Baker abt 1888 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Son St Briavels, Gloucestershire

Year: 1901
Month: Oct
Day: 21
Surname: GRIFFITHS
Forenames: John
Residence: [Illegible] S. Briavels
Age_at_death: 65
Officiating_Minister: J. C. May
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Place of Resience looks like Cro---- ?
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/20
Page_No: 79
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

1911 Closeturf St Briavils Glos
Mary Den Griffiths 72
Gerald Den Griffiths 47
Octa Griffiths 43
Evelyn Griffiths 40
Edwin Baker 56
Charlotte Baker 63
Tom Baker 22
Beatrice Teague 16

Year: 1914
Month: Jul
Day: 16
Surname: GRIFFITHS
Forenames: Mary Dew
Residence: Weston Super Mare.Late of Close Turf.St Briavels
Age_at_death: 76
Officiating_Minister: J.C.May
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/31
Page_No: 1
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

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I have Georgina Preest as the daughter of Henry Thomas Preest and Mary Ann Aston born Bream 1892/3, She was a servant at a public house for Eliza Skipp a widow a licensee of a public house in Breams Eaves in 1911.

My connection is the Aston family. My grandmother was Hilda Florence Aston.

Best regards
Carol Brown

Year: 1893
Month: Feb
Day: 20
Parents_Surname: PREEST
Child_Forenames: Georgina
Fathers_Forenames: Henry Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Colliers Beach
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: J Bond
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: p[rivate]
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 25

1901 Colliers Beach Lydney Lane Coalway Coleford
Henery T Prcest abt 1845 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary A Prcest abt 1857 Wales Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Albert Prcest abt 1883 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Georginia Prcest abt 1892 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Edith Prcest abt 1898 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Edward J James abt 1841 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Newland, Gloucestershire

1911 The Eaves Bream Glos
Susan Eliza Skipp 60
Oscar E Skipp 35
Frank S W Skipp 35
Georgina Priest 18 Bream

Name: Albert Haine
Name: Georgina Preest
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1919
Registration district: Chepstow
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 31

Rosa M Haine Apr-May-Jun 1919 Chepstow Wales
Rosa Marjorie Haine
Day House Cottage, Tidenham, Lydney, Chepstow, Gloucestershire

Maurice Ib Haine Jul-Aug-Sep 1922 Chepstow Wales

Name: Georgina Haine
Birth Date: 6 Jan 1893
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1970
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 8b
Page: 2441

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Year: 1939
Month: Jul
Day: 29
Surname: SKIPP
Forenames: Susan Eliza
Residence: Mason's Arms Bream
Age_at_death: 89
Officiating_Minister: Arthur M. Parr
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/18
Page_No: 77
Parish_Chapel: Bream

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Hello
it's been a while since I've been on the forum. I thought I might be worth posting again. My great-grandmother, Georgina PREEST married Albert HAINE on 29th January 1919 at the Baptist Chapel in Lydney. I've happily been able to find out quite a bit about the Preests, but I have drawn an absolute blank on Albert. I have their marriage certificate. They were both resident at Close Turf, St Briavel's at the time of the wedding. Albert's father, Fred HAINE (deceased) was a Farmer. The marriage was witnessed by Sam WILDIN and Flossie LEWIS. Any information about Albert (who is a complete mystery!) much welcomed.

Thank you.

Name: Albert Haine
Birth Date: abt 1868
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1926
Age at Death: 58
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 596

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Numerous children of HAINE / PRIDAY union(s) is Herbert -> Albert ??

No he is not
Name: Herbert Priday Haine
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1885
Age at Death: 21
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 141

HAINE Arthur William HAINE PRIDAY 1871 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 12 322
HAINE Charles Cummins HAINE PRIDAY 1872 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 12 441
HAINE Edward Melville HAINE PRIDAY 1874 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 13 289
HAINE Elsie Muriel HAINE PRIDAY 1877 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 14 348
HAINE Emily Jane HAINE PRIDAY 1873 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 13 237
HAINE Ernest Victor HAINE PRIDAY 1879 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 15 81
HAINE Ethel Lillian HAINE PRIDAY 1881 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 15 347
HAINE Florence Marian HAINE PRIDAY 1865 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 10 339
HAINE Francis Martin HAINE PRIDAY 1868 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 11 375
HAINE Fred Priday HAINE PRIDAY 1873 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 13 88
HAINE George Stanley HAINE PRIDAY 1876 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 14 165
HAINE Gladys Margaret HAINE PRIDAY 1883 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 16 82
HAINE Harry Priday HAINE PRIDAY 1867 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 11 82
HAINE Herbert Priday HAINE PRIDAY 1864 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 10 137
HAINE Louis George HAINE PRIDAY 1868 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 11 282
HAINE Lucy Agnes HAINE PRIDAY 1869 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 11 490
HAINE Margaret Dora HAINE PRIDAY 1878 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 14 378
HAINE Minnie Rose PRIDAY 1863 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 9 461
HAINE Norah Priday HAINE PRIDAY 1875 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 14 36
HAINE Philip Leslie HAINE PRIDAY 1875 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 13 437
HAINE Philip Sidney Noel HAINE PRIDAY 1886 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 17 122
HAINE Sidney George HAINE HAINE PRIDAY 1864 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 10 89
HAINE William Edward HAINE HAINE PRIDAY 1870 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 12 196

One family at Over Farm

1861 Over Farm
George Haine abt 1813 Croscomb, Somerset, England Head Churcham,
Frances Haine abt 1815 Barton St David, Somerset, England Wife Churcham
Joseph Haine abt 1837 Lintinhull, Somerset, England Son Churcham,
Ann Haine abt 1839 Lintinhull, Somerset, England Daughter Churcham,
Edward Haine abt 1840 Lintinhull, Somerset, England Son Churcham,
Thomas Haine abt 1841 Lintinhull, Somerset, England Son Churcham,
Frances Haine abt 1843 Lintinhull, Somerset, England Daughter Churcham,
Elizabeth Haine abt 1851 Over, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Churcham,
Edmund Haine abt 1855 Over, Gloucestershire, England Son Churcham,
Frederick Haine abt 1856 Over, Gloucestershire, England Son Churcham,
Ernest Haine abt 1858 Over, Gloucestershire, England Son Churcham,

1871
George Haine 57
Frances Haine 55
Frances Haine 23
Edmund Haine 16
Herbert P Haine 6

1881 Over Farm
George Haine abt 1814 Croscombe, Somerset, England Head Lassington,
Frances Haine abt 1815 Barton St. David, Somerset, England Wife Lassington, Gloucestershire
Frances Haine abt 1844 Tintinhull, Somerset, England Daughter Lassington,
Jane Haine abt 1847 Tintinhull, Somerset, England Daughter Lassington,
Edmund Haine abt 1855 Over, Gloucestershire, England Son Lassington,
Frederick Haine abt 1857 Over, Gloucestershire, England Son Lassington,

1891 Over Farm
George Haine abt 1814 Croscombe, Somerset, England Head Highnam,
Francis Haine abt 1844 Tintinhull, Somerset, England Daughter Highnam,
Jane Haine abt 1846 Tintinhull, Somerset, England Daughter Highnam,
Frederick Haine abt 1856 Over, Gloucestershire, England Son Highnam,

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1851
Joseph William Haine abt 1837 Tintinhull, Somerset, England Scholar Twyning, Gloucestershire

1861 above

1871
Joseph Haine 34
Caroline Haine 28
Minnie R Haine 8
Herbert Haine 7
Florance Haine 5
Harry Haine 4
Louis Haine 2
Lucy Haine 1

1881 Church farm
Joseph Wm. Haine abt 1837 Tintinhall, Somerset, England Head Churcham,
Caroline Haine abt 1841 Bulley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Churcham,
Herbert Haine abt 1865 Bulley, Gloucestershire, England Son Churcham,
Florence M. Haine abt 1866 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Churcham,
Louis G. Haine abt 1869 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Son Churcham,
Lucy A. Haine abt 1870 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Churcham,
Arthur W. Haine abt 1872 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Son Churcham,
Fred. P. Haine abt 1873 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Son Churcham,
Edward M. Haine abt 1875 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Son Churcham,
Norah P. Haine abt 1876 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Churcham,
Elsie M. Haine abt 1878 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Churcham,
Ernest V. Haine abt 1880 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Son Churcham,

1891
Joseph Haine abt 1838 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Head Churcham,
Caroline Haine abt 1839 Bulley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Churcham,
Florence Haine abt 1866 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Churcham, G
Harry Haine abt 1868 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Son Churcham,
Lucy Haine abt 1871 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Churcham,
Arthur Haine abt 1873 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Son Churcham,
Edward Haine abt 1875 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Son Churcham,
Zorah Haine abt 1877 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Churcham,
Elsie Haine abt 1879 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Churcham,
Ernest Haine abt 1882 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Son Churcham,
Ethel Haine abt 1885 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Churcham,
Glallys Haine abt 1887 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Churcham,

Year: 1893
Month: Jul
Day: 29
Surname: HAINS
Forenames: Joseph William
Residence: Churcham Court
Age_at_death: 57
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Bernard Atherton
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P83 IN 1/27
Page_No: 22
Parish_Chapel: Churcham

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Name: Albert Haine
Birth Date: abt 1868
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1926
Age at Death: 58
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 596

1851
Samuel Harm abt 1814 Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Head Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire
Caroline Harm abt 1815 Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Wife Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire
Samuel Harm abt 1843 Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Son Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire
Laura Harm abt 1845 Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Daughter Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire
Albert Harm abt 1848 Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Son Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire
Albert Harm abt 1848 Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Son Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire
Henry Harm abt 1850 Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Son Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire
Elizabeth Harm abt 1782 Alton, Wiltshire, England Mother Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire

1861
Samuel Haim abt 1814 Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Head Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire
Caroline Haim abt 1816 Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Wife Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire
Albert Haim abt 1848 Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Son Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire
Henry Haim abt 1851 Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Son Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire
Sarah W Haim abt 1854 Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Daughter Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire
William T Haim abt 1857 Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Son Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire
Frederick Haim abt 1860 Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Son Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire

Name: Albert Haime
Name: Hannah Rogers
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1867
Registration district: Tisbury
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 357

Name: Albert Rogers
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1868
Registration district: Tisbury
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 213

Name: Rose Ann Haime
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1869
Registration district: Tisbury
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 199

1871 Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire, England
Albert Haim 23 Ag Lab
Hannah Haim 24
Albert Haim 3
Rose Haim 1

1881
Harriett Rogers abt 1817 Donh St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Head Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire
Hannah Haimes abt 1848 Donh St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Daughter Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire Widow
Albert Haimes abt 1868 Donh St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Grandson Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire
Rose Haimes abt 1870 Donh St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Granddaughter Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire

1891
Thomas Bennet abt 1839 Semley, Wiltshire, England Head Semley, Wiltshire
Hannah Bennet abt 1847 Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Wife Semley, Wiltshire
John Bennet abt 1884 Semley, Wiltshire, England Son Semley, Wiltshire
Beatrice L Bennet Tabt 1886 Semley, Wiltshire, England Daughter Semley, Wiltshire
Mary J Bennet abt 1888 Semley, Wiltshire, England Daughter Semley, Wiltshire
Rose Haine abt 1870 Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Stepdaughter Semley, Wiltshire
Florence K Haine abt 1890 Semley, Wiltshire, England Step Granddaughter Semley, Wiltshire

1891
Albert Haine abt 1868 Donhead, Wiltshire, England Servant Semley, Wiltshire

Name: Albert Haime
Name: Victoria Atkins
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1896
Registration district: Tisbury
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 451

1901
Albert Haime abt 1870 Donhead St Andrew, Wiltshire, England Head East Tisbury, Wiltshire
Victoria Haime abt 1874 Hastings, Sussex, England Wife East Tisbury, Wiltshire
Alice Haime abt 1897 Tisbury, Wiltshire, England Daughter East Tisbury, Wiltshire
Percy O Haime abt 1900 Tisbury, Wiltshire, England Son East Tisbury, Wiltshire

1911 114 Hindon Lane, East Tisbury, Wilts
Albert Haine 42 (married 15 yrs , 4 children, 3 alive)
Victoria Haine 37
Alice Victoria Haine 14
Percy Owen Haine 10
Dorothy Mildred Haine 5

No Wiltshire death to tie in - strange as wife dies in Swindon.

Name: Victoria Haime
Birth Date: abt 1875
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1937
Age at Death: 62
Registration district: Swindon
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 10

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Thank you for all this information. I thought we might be getting somewhere with Albert HAINE (Hain/Haime) but as I tried to fit the pieces together, I found a family tree for Albert Haime and Victoria (Atkins) HAINE where she - as you rightly said - died 1937 in Swindon and Albert died two years later in 1939. So 'my' Albert is not this Albert! The search continues ...

Thank you for all this information. I thought we might be getting somewhere with Albert HAINE (Hain/Haime) but as I tried to fit the pieces together, I found a family tree for Albert Haime and Victoria (Atkins) HAINE where she - as you rightly said - died 1937 in Swindon and Albert died two years later in 1939. So 'my' Albert is not this Albert! The search continues ...

<sucking eggs>

cross check the tree against BMD and real certs etc

It might be true, it may not

best fit for 1939 death in Wiltshire is :-

Name: Albert Thomas Haines
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1865
Registration district: Warminster
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 151

Name: Albert T Haines
Birth Date: abt 1864
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1939
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Warminster
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 371

I guess this is the record being put forward

Name: Albert Haime
Birth Date: abt 1868
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1939
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Sturminster
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 289

Shaftesbury or Swindon would have been more encouraging, not impossible

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I'm so sorry I didn't mean to imply the information you posted was wrong! I got carried away and then disappointed that I may have gone down (one of many!) blind alleys. I really appreciate all the digging you've done and will make sure I post any successes.