David HART 1839 Longhope / Blaisden

I have just started to look at the family tree. My grandfather was David Harts Son (Earnest) who went to Pontypridd got married to Elizabeth Jane Renfree.He became a coal miner and lived in Tylorstown till he died in 1957. My fathers name was Clifford Reuben Hart.From what i understand Uncle Horace came and stayed at my grand parents during the war to get away from the bombing in the Bristol area .He and auntie Phyliss with there daughter Jennifer used to come and visit us at 33 Vivian Street Tylorstown at lest once a year for many years when i was younger ..
I have traced great grand father David Hart (it was reported that i ws named after him)could you tell me if he was married to Mary ann Preece and where was he married.
Many Thanks

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Hi David and welcome to this great forum and website. Unfortunately this thread http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=16574 is rather an old one, almost 3 years. If you look at the various poster's names you'll see that apart from "Slowhands" (THE venerable font of all knowledge on this site and a leading light to us all), t'other names do NOT appear as blue hyperlinks. This means they've not visited the forum for several months and have been cut-off as it were (see "Help-FAQ" section for further info). If their names were blue this would enable you to send them direct mails to their email inboxes, so negating the need for them to hopefully spot your message while visiting the forum. Therefore sadly it's unlikely they will see your post. That said, if you email the forum moderators its just possible they may be able to help you.

Moving on, did you realise that the real beauty of this site is you can freely search the huge Parish Records database. Similarly the site contains many other interesting items that may also be searched.
From this site's database I can find baptisms for a few Ernest Harts but no son's of David Hart. Similarly I cannot find the Marriage you seek. However it doesnt help that I have no dates at all, please can you help ?. Clearly this website/databse is for the Forest of Dean only so won't include Ponty area (I lived there while at Poly in the 80s) or Bristol.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Using the FreeBMD website and searching for "David HART" in "Glamorgan" (for Ponty & area), I see a long line of them, presumably related to a greater or lesser extent, going right back... The most recent entry is a Marriage of David S Hart & Young abt Mar 1958, is this you ?.

The site shows the preceding Marriage:
Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcriber
Marriages Sep 1905
HART Ernest Thomas Pontypridd 11a 807 michaelpilgrim
to
Marriages Sep 1905
RENFREE Elizabeth Jane Pontypridd 11a 807 Columbine

Now search for all Births of "Hart" & "Renfree" you'll find these Records:

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

Births Sep 1914
Hart David R Renfree Pontypridd 11a 1559

Births Jun 1918
Hart John D Renfree Pontypridd 11a 1195

Births Sep 1919
Hart Clifford R Renfree Pontypridd 11a 1241

I presume they are some of your ancestors?

If you now use FreeBMD and search for "Marriage" of "David Hart" and "Mary Preece" but for "All" Counties/Districts, you will get only one (thankfully) match:

Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcriber
Marriages Jun 1868
Hart David Hereford 6a 847 chrishoare

(NB I didnt search for Mary ANN as it might not have given a hit, if her second name hadnt perhaps been entered on the marriage register)

Working backwards to check by searching just for "Mary Preece", gives the following:

Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcriber
Marriages Jun 1868
Preece Mary Ann Hereford 6a 847 DaveM

The fact the Volume & Page details, 6a & 847, agree for both records shows this is a correct marital match.
(NB there are MANY Mary Preeces going back several generations, most if not all from the Here/Worcs/Salop Borders).

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/districts.pl?r=43445109&d=bmd_1322564104

SO, if these dates seem correct to your researches, and these are your grandparents, they were married in "Hereford" District.
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/hereford.html

Clearly, using FreeBMD# you should be able to trace more of your family's records, some of whom may be in the Forest area so will perhaps be on this database. If they are then you'll get far more detail information for each record.

Hope this helps, good luck !

# be warned that with FreeBMD not being a subscription website it is a work-in-progress database and may possibly be incomplete in some areas.

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Name: Ernest T Hart
Birth Date: abt 1878
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1954
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 8b
Page: 620

1911
HART ERNEST THOMAS M 1879 32 Pontypridd Glamorganshire
HART ELIZABETH JANE F 1883 28 Pontypridd Glamorganshire

Name: Elizabeth Jane Renfree
Name: Ernest Thomas Hart
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1905
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 807

1901
Joseph James abt 1868 Burton, Somerset, England Head Pontypridd, Glamorgan
Lucy James abt 1866 Butcombe, Somerset, England Wife Pontypridd, Glamorgan
Elizabeth James abt 1895 Pontypridd, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Pontypridd, Glamorgan
Edith James abt 1900 Pontypridd, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Pontypridd, Glamorgan
Ernest T Hart abt 1869 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Pontypridd, Glamorgan

1891
David Hart abt 1841 Blaisdon, Gloucestershire, England Head Huntley, Gloucestershire
Mary A Hart abt 1848 Welsh Hay, Breconshire, Wales Wife Huntley, Gloucestershire
Ernest T Hart abt 1879 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley, Gloucestershire
Reubin Hart abt 1882 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley, Gloucestershire
Mary E Hart abt 1884 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Huntley, Gloucestershire
Florence A Hart abt 1889 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Huntley, Gloucestershire

1881
David Hart abt 1839 Blaisdon, Gloucestershire, England Head Longhope, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Hart abt 1847 Hay, Breconshire, Wales Wife Longhope, Gloucestershire
James Hart abt 1871 Blaisdon, Gloucestershire, England Son Longhope, Gloucestershire
Seth Hart abt 1877 Blaisdon, Gloucestershire, England Son Longhope, Gloucestershire
Earnest Hart abt 1879 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Son Longhope, Gloucestershire

Name: Ernest Thomas Hart
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1879
Registration district: Westbury On Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 279

1869 HART Emily David Mary Ann Nottwood Blaisdon Labourer Blaisdon
1871 HART James Mordicai David Mary Ann Blaisdon Labourer Blaisdon
1872 HART Sophia Agnes David Mary Ann Blaisdon Labourer Blaisdon
1874 HART Matilda David Mary Ann Blaisdon Labourer Blaisdon
1876 HART Seth David Mary Ann Blaisdon Laborer[sic] Blaisdon
1881 HART Reuben David Mary Ann Longhope Labourer Longhope
1884 HART Mary Elizabeth David Mary Ann [not stated] Brown Hill labourer Huntley
1888 HART Florence Alice David Mary Ann [not stated] Broom Hill labourer Huntley

1871 Blaisden
David Hait 31
Mary A Hait 24
Gemily Hait 2
James M Hait 2 Months

Name: David Hart
Name: Mary Ann Preece
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1868
Registration district: Hereford
Inferred County: Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 847

1861
Hannah Hart abt 1796 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Head Blaisdon, Gloucestershire
David Hart abt 1838 Blaisdon, Gloucestershire, England Son Blaisdon, Gloucestershire

1851
Hannah Hart abt 1796 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Head Longhope, Gloucestershire
David Hart abt 1838 Blaisdon, Gloucestershire, England Son Longhope, Gloucestershire

1841
Hannah Hart abt 1801 Blaisdon, Gloucestershire
Mary Hart abt 1833 Blaisdon, Gloucestershire
David Hart abt 1838 Blaisdon, Gloucestershire

Year: 1838
Month: Jan
Day: 28
Parents_Surname: HART
Child_Forenames: David
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Blaysdon
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: William Crawley Off[iciating] Min[ister]
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P49 1/4
Page_Number: 26
Parish_Chapel: Blaisdon

Year: 1816
Month: Aug
Day: 20
Grooms_Surname: HART
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Blaisdon
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: STERRY
Brides_Forenames: Hannah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Longhope
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: Mark of Mick Morris
Witness_2: Mark of Elizabeth Sterry
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John Probyn Clerk
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P206 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 3
Parish_Chapel: Longhope

Year: 1796
Month: Feb
Day: 21
Parents_Surname: STERREY
Child_Forenames: Hannah
Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P206 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 120
Parish_Chapel: Longhope

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1851
James Preece abt 1811 Herefordshire, England Head Hereford St Martin, Herefordshire Journeyman Wheelwright
Eliza Preece abt 1809 Herefordshire, England Wife Hereford St Martin, Herefordshire
Sarah Preece abt 1833 Herefordshire, England Daughter Hereford St Martin, Herefordshire
John Preece abt 1835 Herefordshire, England Son Hereford St Martin, Herefordshire
Eliza Preece abt 1837 Herefordshire, England Daughter Hereford St Martin, Herefordshire
James Preece abt 1839 Herefordshire, England Son Hereford St Martin, Herefordshire
Peter Preece abt 1841 Herefordshire, England Son Hereford St Martin, Herefordshire
William Preece abt 1843 Herefordshire, England Son Hereford St Martin, Herefordshire
Mary Ann Preece abt 1846 Herefordshire, England Daughter Hereford St Martin, Herefordshire
Mansell Preece abt 1849 Herefordshire, England Son Hereford St Martin, Herefordshire

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Ma. n the bench she sat onm she could see ithurchy thanks for all the information not really had chance to get at it due to holidays.
However i have managed to talk to a 96 yr old relative who informs me the Dorothy Hart used to live in the village of Mayhill and when she went to church she could see it from the bench she sat on.
Dorothy was matron in a public mental hospital presumable in the Gloucester area would you have any idea the name and how i might be able get a list of the people who worked there. wheres best to go.
My other great auntie Florence Hart worked as a nurse in again a mental hospital but this was private any ideas the name or where i might find out.
Many thanks
David HART

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Hi again David and Happy New Year to you & yours, I hope your elderly relative's warm n well, how lucky you are to have such a good source of family history !. The mental hospital you refer to is Coney Hill which was located on the outskirts of Gloucester, it's now closed. As immature/ignorant Forest kids in the 70s we unfortuantely used the phrase "being sent to Coney Hill" as a derogatory insult; I'm pleased I actually know what we were referring to, all thro' this forum. If you read the following prior threads, found using the "search" link, you'll see it was the County Mental Hospital, previously the Lunatic Asylum. Within the thread is a mention of the Hospital's records for staff & patients, which hopefully you'll find of use via the Glos Archives website.

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=14550

Also see
http://www.countyasylums.com/mentalasylums/gloucestershire.htm

On a slight aside, my mother now in Cinderford originated from the Longhope area in the 40s, in fact we were there last weekend. Do you know of Hart's Barn ?. In recent years its become a tourist "attraction" as a craft centre from what I can gather, having only driven past without going in. I wonder if it's part of your family history ?.
http://www.hartsbarncraftcentre.co.uk/aboutus.asp

Just in case you hadn't already found them the following local websites may interest you. Both can be tricky to navigate but are well worth it as they have plenty of history references, old photos, Census extracts, Church records etc etc.
http://www.taynton.btinternet.co.uk/index.htm
Includes this great article about May Hill.
http://www.taynton.btinternet.co.uk/fleur.htm

http://www.longhopevillage.co.uk/

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mental hospital but this was private

Barnwood House at a guess, rather than the public hospital at Coney Hill ( close by)

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Thanks Slowhands for that. Please can you help me ?. I've read and re-read the prior threads on this subject but I'm a little confused (no change there..). My local knowledge of Gloster is ok but not as good as it should be particularly wrt the suburbs. I've driven thro' and around Barnwood "area" many times but that's all I know of the area.

As I understand it from the above threads and websites there were two County Asylums in Gloster, first at Horton Road 1823-1988, then second at Coney Hill 1883-1994.
Were they both operating alongside each other for a time as County Asylums, I guess so although it seems odd to me ?
In later years (80s/90s) were they both part of the NHS or had one become "private" ?.

Until today I'd assumed Barnwood Hospital/Home was one of the above, but presumably no ?

A quick Google has just found the following link which suggests to me "Barnwood" is neither Horton Rd or Coney Hill, but I'm still not sure. I must admit as a layman new to the subject, I'm surprised that the area had two never mind three such hospitals, hence my problems understanding it all. Hopefully you can please once again clear my mudded mind ?.

Re Barnwood this potted recent history is good, sorry I can't clarify it by highlighting but I seem to have somehow broken my forum posting webpage !?

"From 1948 to 1962 Barnwood House advertised its services in the Journal of Mental Science with the following words:

"A REGISTERED HOSPITAL (outside the National Health Service) for the CARE and TREATMENT of LADIES and GENTLEMEN suffering from NERVOUS and MENTAL DISORDERS. Within two miles [3 km] of the Western and London Midland Regional Railway Stations at Gloucester, the Hospital is easily accessible by rail from London and all parts of the United Kingdom. It is beautifully situated at the foot of the Cotswold Hills, and stands in its own grounds of over 300 acres [1.2 km²]. Voluntary Patients of both sexes are also received for treatment. Special accommodation is also provided at three villa residences, all of which stand in their own grounds and are entirely separate from the main Hospital. All the most modern methods of treatment including electric shock and prefrontal leucotomy are used."

But the "most modern methods of treatment" were losing their allure by the 1960s and, in spite of a new advertisement appearing in 1963 with no mention of ladies and gentleman, or leucotomy and electric shock, and the railway stations replaced by the A417, Barnwood House experienced financial difficulties and closed in 1968."

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnwood_House_Hospital
Enlarging this site's photo shows it was a typically impressive & large Victorian building, and it doesn't (to me) appear the same building as the Horton Road or Coney Hill Hospitals.

Please can you confirm whether or not I have got this all correct ? Sorry if it's common knowledge but I can't find any other mentions of Barnwood on the forum and this clarification may help other users such as David Hart.

Thankyou again, Jeff.

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As I said earlier Barnwood House was distinct from the nearby Coney Hill site, again distinct from the Wootton facility nearer the City Centre. The later two coming under the NHS when it was formed, the first Barnwood site was private.

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Thanks Slowhands for confirming my understanding.

I'm sorry I didn't grasp the full meaning of what you said earlier.
In the various associated threads (and in my lifetime) I've seen/heard plenty of mentions of Hospitals at both Horton Rd and Coney Hill, but never a separate "Barnwood" hospital too. Also in my understanding Coney Hill was/is vaguely within the suburb nowadays called Barnwood. Furthermore your prior post stated that the early "Barnwood Hospital" later became known as "Coney Hill Hospital".
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=14551

It also still seems surprising to me that a relatively small city should have three such hospitals all within the same area and timescale, in addition to one at the larger city of Bristol.

Hence imho my confusion was not unreasonable and I believe this clarification will help others too.

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I have only just found this but David is the youngest of a family of nine children born to John HART(c1787-1851) and Hannnah STERRY(c1796-1874). My great Grandfather Solomon, was number seven (c1830-1905) so we share the same great great grandparents, John and Hannah. Their life together was not happy in later years as they are not together in 1841 census. John was unfortunately in Bridewell which seems to be a correction-centre or jail. I hope some day to discover more of the reason, it could not have been serious or he would have been in Gloucester. He died in Gloucester Infirmary in 1851. So it accounts for why Hannah is alone with the younger children in the census' of 1841 and 1851.

If you want to know more of the Sterrys they have a dedicated STERRY web page.
If you go back a generation you will find that John's parents, John and Elizabeth had 12 children. You will find their grave in BLAISDEN churchyard quite close to the porch.

Most of your questions were answered by Slowhands, I confirm that Mary Ann Preece is the mother of David's children. The Forest of Dean web pages shows them all but only gives mother's Christian names. Use http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/
with advanced search and you get her former name. I hadn't found the marriage.

If you want to contact me then I am in the forest-of-dean.net user list. By using their records you will get back to the earliest Harts on the site Anthony Hart 1612-1680 and his father I think Wyllyam.

Both of my Forest of Dean Grandparents Francis (1870) and Evangeline (1875) had the name HART so researching has been complicated. I think that I have linked them back to brothers Thomas 1691 and Anthony c1709. Any chance anyone can confirm that please?

Good luck with your searches David.
Mary NEWSOM

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I have only just found this but David is the youngest of a family of nine children born to John HART(c1787-1851) and Hannnah STERRY(c1796-1874). My great Grandfather Solomon, was number seven (c1830-1905) so we share the same great great grandparents, John and Hannah. Their life together was not happy in later years as they are not together in 1841 census. John was unfortunately in Bridewell which seems to be a correction-centre or jail. I hope some day to discover more of the reason, it could not have been serious or he would have been in Gloucester. He died in Gloucester Infirmary in 1851. So it accounts for why Hannah is alone with the younger children in the census' of 1841 and 1851.

Year: 1787
Month: Jul
Day: 30
Parents_Surname: HART
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: this entry is also duplicated in P49 IN 1/3
Register_Reference: P49 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 16
Parish_Chapel: Blaisdon

1841 Littledean Prison
John Hart abt 1784 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
http://www.littledeanjail.com/

1851 Westbury Workhouse
John Hart abt 1785 Blaisdon, Gloucestershire, England Inmate Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire

Year: 1851
Month: Dec
Day: 6
Surname: HART
Forenames: John
Residence: Gloucester
Age_at_death: 68
Officiating_Minister: Rob[ert] R. Hurle Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: omitted by Mistake 1851
Notes: Note written in left margin.
Register_Reference: P50 IN 1/9
Page_No: 18
Parish_Chapel: Blaisdon

a little more on Littledean Jail / Gaol / Bridewell
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=579

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