Collieries and coal mines? (General)

by nancyminer @, Saturday, March 03, 2012, 04:39 (4714 days ago)

Are colleries and coal mines the same thing? And are colliers and coal miners the same? I grew up in coal mining country and now live in another coal mining area, but have never heard them referred to as colleries. Montana girl

Collieries and coal mines?

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Saturday, March 03, 2012, 06:46 (4714 days ago) @ nancyminer

Are colleries and coal mines the same thing? And are colliers and coal miners the same? I grew up in coal mining country and now live in another coal mining area, but have never heard them referred to as colleries. Montana girl

It is I suspect a British idiom - Colliery = Coal Mine & Collier = Coal miner

we also use Collier in a different context to mean a small coal carrying ship !

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Collieries and coal mines?

by peteressex @, Saturday, March 03, 2012, 07:56 (4714 days ago) @ slowhands

The answer lies in the cognate "coaler."

Some etymologies say that the origin of the words "collier" and "colliery" lay in both coal-gathering and charcoal burning, so the prevalence in the Forest of "colliers" and "collieries", rather than mines or pits, may be explained by the considerable amount of charcoal burning that historically went on in an afforested area beneath which lay a considerable amount of coal.

The connotation is blackness, a colley being a black-faced sheep and the commonest collie dogs being substantially black. In some parts of the West Country, blackbirds have been known as "colleys" (which in turn may explain the variant in "The Twelve Days of Christmas" between "colley birds" and "calling birds.")

As Slowhands says, a coal-carrying boat is sometimes called a collier. It is also sometimes called a coaler.

Collieries and coal mines?

by nancyminer @, Sunday, March 04, 2012, 04:02 (4713 days ago) @ slowhands

Thanks to everyone for the information!

Collieries and coal mines?

by rookancestrybest @, United Kingdom, Saturday, March 03, 2012, 16:38 (4713 days ago) @ nancyminer

You might also find it helpful to know that someone employed as a miner might be referred to as a collier in records,e.g. census etc. Though coal miners are also referred to as coal miners, miners, and coal hewers.

Collieries and coal mines?

by bristolloggerheads @, Saturday, March 03, 2012, 21:11 (4713 days ago) @ rookancestrybest

And sometimes (in C17th) "stone collier" and "wood collier" are used to differentiate between a coal miner and a charcoal burner.

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