lived in Lydbrook, not sure of birth date but apparently was an innkeeper. Is an inn a pub or just a place to stay or both? does anybody have any info on this?

How many William jones to choose from ?

Sorry but you must supply some more information / context / timeline to help us help you

Is this the family?

British Newspapers on Line - Abbreviated - need to subscribe to read fully...

Lydbrook, late William JONES of the Prince of Wales Hotel 4 very sad fact - 7 September 1912 - Gloucester Journal'

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Baptism at Lydbrook - 17 August 1873

William Sidney Henry JONES

Father: William

Mother: Sarah Ann

Residence: Lydbrook

Occupation: Inn-keeper

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Gloucestershirebdm

William Sidney Henry JONES - 1873 - (Mother's maiden name: SMITH) Monmouth, Coleford

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Charlotte Emily - 1870
Fanny - 1876
Fanny Blanche - 1875
George - 1871
George Edward - 1871
Julia - 1870
Mary Louisa - 1874

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1881 Census,

Lydbrook, New Road Hangerberry (Prince of Wales Inn)

JONES

William - 33 - Licenced Victualler, born Lydbrook
Sarah A - 36 - born Hereford, Broad Hinton
Charlott - 10 - born Lydbrook
William S - 7
Fanny B - 5
George E - 4
Sarah CUTTER - 24 - General Servant, born Colewell
William PALMER - 41 - Lodger, Clock & Watch Cleaner, born Germany

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1871 Census, Lydbrook

Sarah Ann JONES - 26, Engine Driver's Wife - born Wiltshire, Broad Hinton
Charlotte Emily - 4 months, born Lydbrook
Emily JONES - sister-in-law - 18 - unmarried - born Lydbrook

1861 Census, Lydbrook

JONES

William - 40 - Butcher, born English Bicknor
Charlotte - 40 - born Upton Bishop (nee HARDWICK)
Edwin - 11
Charlotte - 9
Emily - 8
Fanny - 6
Lenoard - 3
Kate JONES - 9 months
Hannah WARD - 15

1861 Census, Linton, Hereford

Hill Cottage

John HARDWICK - 52 - Grocer, born Aston Ingham
Martha HARDWICK - 23
Sarah HAYWARD - 17 (age 67 on census returns and a Widower, Dressmaker)
William JONES - 13 - Scholar, born Lydbrook (transcribed on Ancestry as Sedbrook, Glos)

1851 Census, Lydbrook

JONES

William - 31- Butcher
Charlortt - 31
Mary A - 5
William - 3
Edwin - 1
Alfred J - 2 months
William JONES - Visitor, 66, Bicknor
Mary A HARDWICK - 15
James WALKER - 39, visitor, Architect, born Surrey

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FoD records

Baptism at English Bicknor - 16 January 1848

William JONES

parents: William (Butcher) and Charlotte

residence: Lydbrook

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GlosBDM

JONES - mother's maiden name HARDWICK(E)

Alfred James - 1851
Charlotte - 1847
Charlotte Hardwick JONES - 1852
Edwin Richard - 1849
Emily - 1853
Fanny - 1854
Kate - 1860
Leonard - 1857
William JONES (HARDWICKE) - 1848

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Fod Records

Marriage at Upton Bishop 8 April 1845

William JONES, Full Age, Bachelor
occupation: Engineer
residence: West Dean in the County of Gloucester

father: William JONES, Miner

married

Charlotte HARDWICK, full age, Spinster
residene: Upton Bishop

father: William HARDWICK, farmer

by Licence

witnesses: (illegible) HARDWICK, Mary Ann GURNEY *

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1841 Census, Herefordshire, Upton Bishops

Sandford

HARDWICK

William - 55 - Farmer
William - 25 -
Charlotte - 20

(a Richard GURNEY is living next door on this census)

Hi Colleen,
as admin says I can confirm from much experience that finding a "William Jones" in Lydbrook is very easy, but finding "your" one amongst the many is not so easy !.

Apologies as I've recently lost all my research on this name & area, however I'm sure MPG's post shows the correct family ref Wm Sidney Jones b1874. The excellent Glos Pubs site shows a few Jones inn/pub keepers amongst the 20 pubs of Lydbrook, but only one William Jones. I can't give a direct link to the pub, but if you search that site for "Lydbrook" then page thro the 20 pubs listed to "Prince of Wales" there's a photo-history of this pub. William Sydney Jones is shown as landlord in 1891 Census, and a Mrs William Jones in 1903.
http://www.gloucestershirepubs.co.uk/AllGlosPubsDatabase/AllGlosPubs_view.php

The William Jones who MPG's post shows dies abt 1912 is, I think, the father of William Sydney Henry. William SH was born abt 1873 and registered at Monmouth like so many Lydbrook people were (not to be confused with William Sydney Henry Jones born and sadly buried in Cinderford in 1872, registered at Westbury).

Our William SH also died young, I think - there were an awful lot of William Jones in Lydbrook ! - from this site's PRs;

Record_ID: 271916
Entry_Number: 160
Year: 1919
Month: Jul
Day: 7
Surname: JONES
Forenames: William Sidney
Residence: Lydbrook
Age_at_death: 46 years
Officiating_Minister: A Wynne Thomas Vicar Bishopswood
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P208 IN 1/13
Page_No: 20
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook

From this FoD site the 1879 Kelly's Trade Directory for Lydbrook lists "Jones William, beer retailer".
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/index.php/resources/kelly-s-directory-1879/65-lydbrook

The 1914 Edition includes the following Jones entries under Lydbrook:
"Jones, Alfred James, beer retailer, Upper Lydbrook"
"Jones, Frederick, Anchor Inn"
"Jones, William S, beer retailer"

The 1923 Edition includes:
"Jones, Alfred, beer retailer, Upper Lydbrook"
"Jones, Wm(Mrs), beer retailer, Hawsley"
"Jones, William T, beer retailer, Lower Lydbrook"

NB
Mrs Wm Jones at Hawsley may be the widow of William SH buried 1919 ?.
Alfred Jas Jones's pub was the Jovial Colliers, he was landlord from around 1895 until 1923 at least, in 1939 a John Jones was behind the bar. Despite it being in Upper Lydbrook it recently had to close due to severe flood damage.
The Anchor Inn is also still trading and is in Lower Lydbrook as the name suggests. After 1914 Frederick Jones moved to the Sawyers Arms Lydbrook.
The Prince of Wales ceased trading abt WW2 and is now a private house.

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To complete the Census Records listed by MPG, using Ancestry's current free access

1911 Census, Prince of Wales, Lydbrook. 10 rooms household.
Name Relation to Head Birth Date Age Gender Marital Status Occupation Birth City Birth County Birth Country Address
William Sidney Jones Head 1874 37 Male Married 12 yrs Licensed Victualler Lydbrook Gloucestershire England Lydbrook
Lizzie Ellen Jones Wife 1876 35 Female Married 12 yrs Resident United States of America Lydbrook
Flossie Thirlway Adopted Child 1901 10 Female School Nk Lydbrook
Noris Burnett Visitor 1897 14 Female Bristol

Hope these links work for you too

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2353/rg14_31731_0357_03/436436?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fs...
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?new=1&gsfn=william&gsln=jones&...

The USA link intrigues me; I know some Lydbrook tinplaters emigrated to the USA for work before 1911, I need to repeat my researches to see if theres a link. If anyone can find their marriage record I'd love to see it, please.

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Re your query about the innkeeper term, yes traditionally an inn is effectively a pub(public drinking house/tavern) that offers accomodation for travellers whereas a public house/beerhouse does not. However I think such references in census' and directories etc may not always be precise and often depends on the whim/view of the individual in question, "innkeeper" perhaps sounds "better" than "landlord" ?. That said of course many rural pubs did have a guest room or two if only for occasional use.
This may help
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_house

He was an innkeeper in Lydbrook and died in 1900. his wife was Sarah Anne Smith and they had 4 children one of whom ( George ) was my grandfather.
I am stuck there and dont seem to be able to find the names of his or her parents.
Thanks for your help, I am totally loving this website and very grateful for it.
Sincerely Colleen Johns

Thank you very much for your information much appreciated, as i am just a beginer at this

Thanks so much for the info you sent through, I went through to the pub website and was dissapointed to see that I couldnt print off the information is there a way of ordering those pub photos?

Hi Colleen,
yes this is a great website and forum but only because of all the many people who contribute, thanks from them all for your kind words. Please consider making a small donation towards the site's upkeep.

Re the Glostershire Pubs website, yes it's difficult to print/copy from, altho perhaps not surprisingly as the site's owner has also written some books on the subject so is only protecting what must be years of hard research. You may want to lookup his books, altho of course they don't include all the pubs on the site. Otherwise I suggest you try what I have long-intended doing, write to the site's owner and ask to use or buy the relevant digital image, hopefully you could come to an agreement. Here is the contact details for the site owner, Geoff Sandles, good luck !.
http://www.gloucestershirepubs.co.uk/contactus.php

lived in Lydbrook, not sure of birth date but apparently was an innkeeper. Is an inn a pub or just a place to stay or both? does anybody have any info on this?

Hi William, Your family rings a bell with me,from my past research files into my Grand Mothers Family the Baxters who in their early days lived in Lydbrook and may have been living next door to the Prince of Wales now closed down. I recall i have some pictures in my files , also we may-be distantly related?.If you think we are related send me your email or contact address and i will get the files out again and we can go through them more easily. Ivan

William Jones and Charlotte Hardwick were my great-great grandparents. Their son Edwin Richard Jones was my great grandfather. After the deaths of William and Charlotte it seems the children were sent to live with various relatives nearby.

Edwin married Sarah Elizabeth Russell about 1871. They eventually had 11 children. Edwin came to the USA around 1881. Sarah and her brother Alfred Thomas Russell came over around 1883 with 6 of the Jones children, including my grandmother, Edith Louise Jones who was about 3 at the time. I have photos of my great grandparents taken shortly after they arrived here. In 1920 they returned to England for a visit around the time of their 50th wedding anniversary.

I have constructed a family tree for Edwin R. Jones going back to a William Jones (1745-1781) and would be interested to learn if I am on the right track.

Apologies if you already know, but your post suggested you might be unsure as to the date of the above marriage. Here it is from this site's PRs:

Record_ID: 9854
Entry_Number: 78
Year: 1871
Month: Aug
Day: 29
Grooms_Surname: JONES
Grooms_Forenames: Edwin Richard
Grooms_Age: 21
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Engineer
Grooms_Residence: Lydbrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: JONES
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Engineer
Brides_Surname: RUSSELL
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age: 17
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Lydbrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: RUSSELL
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Chemical Manufacturer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: Saul Marfell
Witness_2: Elizabeth Marfell
Other_Witnesses: James Elphick Sophia Marfell
Officiating_Minister: G R Chall Vicar of Kneesall
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P208 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 39
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook
Soundex_Groom: J520
Soundex_Bride: R240

I've read hundreds of PRs on this great site and don't recall ever seeing a "chemical manufacturer" before, most intriguing.

Hope this helps.

1871 Census, Lydbrook

Mary Ann GURNEY - Widow - 64, Grocer, born Herefordshire, Aston Ingham
Dinah Selina HARDWICK - Niece - unmarried - 28 - born Herefordshire, Aston Ingham
Alfred James JONES - Nephew - 19 - Engine Driver at Works, born Glos. Lydbrook
Edwin Richard JONES - Nephew - 21 - Engine Driver at Works, born Glos. Lydbrook
Leonard JONES - 13 - born Glos. Lydbrook

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GlosBDM

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/

JONES birth - Mother's maiden name : RUSSELL - Forest of Dean, Monmouth, Coleford

Beatrice Marian Alberta JONES - 1871
Gertrude JONES - 1874
Edith Louise JONES- 1877 **
Minnie Ida JONES- 1879
Cora JONES - 1882 (Freebdm : Jan/Feb/March Qtr 1882)

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FoD Records

Baptism at Lydbrook - 8 July 1877

Edith Louse JONES

father: Edwin Richard (occupation, Mechanic)

mother: Sarah

residence: Lydbrook

Officiating Minster: H T Hoitt

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1881 Census, English Bicknor

Lower Lydbrook

JONES

Edwin Rd - 31, Engineer Driver at Tin Works, born Lydbrook
Sarah - 27 - born Glos. Cannok
Beatrice Maria - 8
Gertrude - 6
Edwin Thomas - 5
Edith Louise - 3
Minnie Ida - 1

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1861 Census, West Dean, Lydbrook

Samuel RUFSELL - 41 - Chemical Mfg. born Parish of Newent (SS was spelt FS back then!)
Eliza RUFSELL - 32
Elizabeth - 18
Sophia - 18
Sarah - 7
William Henry - 4
Fredk Herbert - 1

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GlosBDM - RUSSELL - mother's former name BAILEY

James - 1852, Forest of Dean, Westbury on Severn, Newnham
Sarah - 1853 - Forest of Dean, Monmouth, Coleford
Male RUSSELL - 1856 - Forest of Dean, Monmouth, Coleford
Frederic Herbert - 1859 - Forest of Dean, Monmouth, Coleford
Eliza Gertrude - 1861 - Forest of Dean, Monmouth, Coleford
Female RUSSELL - 1863 - Forest of Dean, Monmouth, Coleford
George Albert Victor - 1865 - Forest of Dean, Monmouth, Coleford
Edith Emily Florence Maude - 1869 - Forest of Dean, Monmouth, Coleford
Samuel James Victor - 1871 - Forest of Dean, Monmouth, Coleford

Hi MPG,
definitely not a golfing day here, hope your weather is better !.

Re Sarah Russell's birth, GlosBMD has:

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
RUSSELL Sarah RUSSELL RUSSELL BAILEY 1853 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 10 11
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx

I strongly suspect the Census p.o.b should read Cannop, not your Cannock suggestion. This is situated on the same B4234 road which connects the old industrial centres of Parkend and Lydbrook.
http://www.fweb.org.uk/dean/towns/cannop.htm

Given her father's chemical manufacturing background, this fits in nicely with the Chemical works at Lydbrook and later at Cannop itself. The history of these sites is detailed in this prior thread
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=41330

Jeff, it is Canhope

1851, Census Canhope, Glos

Samuel RUSSEL - 31, Engineer, Newent
Eliza - 32 - born Newland
Elizabeth - 8
Sophia - 8 months, born West Dean *GlosBDM - 1850 - mother's maiden name BAYLE

Played golf through 4 seasons today - just getting over it and un-winding! Off for 3 day golfing tomorrow in Chester, but the weather looks good!

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Did they marry after Elizabeth age 8 was born??

Gloucestershire bdm

Samuel RUSSELL - married Eliza BAILEY, Gloucester, Northgate - St John the Baptist 1849

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appears to be well documented on Public Members Tree on Ancestry (marriage given as 1849)

Eliza Eva BAILEY - born 29 June 1828, Ruardean
Parents: Thomas BAILEY - 1808-1875 and Ann SCOTT - 1819-1889

Samuel RUSSELL - April 1819 Okle Green, Newent (20 April 1819 - private baptism)

parents:

Nathaniel RUSSELL - 177-1863 and Elizabeth BEARD - 1774-1851

Must say you're very brave golfing today, genuine welldone. Yes the forecast all-around looks fine & dry for the weekend and beyond, hope so as with luck I'm also on the road down to the Forest. Chester's a nice place, hope your weekend goes well too.

Re "Canhope" ??
Unsure what you're meaning but I dont think there's such a place anywhere. Irrespective of the census spelling I'm sure they mean Cannop (nowadays pronounced Cannup).

Hope this helps, J

1851 Census, West Dean, Ecclesiastical District of Christchurch.... (which covers the area in Cannop Chemical WORKS) - assume this is where Samuel worked.

West Gloucester, Monmouth, Coleford

All that part of the Township of West Dean comprising the Perch and Buckholt Inclosures, Cannop Chemical Works, Vallett Level the North side of the Turnpike Road from Coleford to Little Dean, Coleford Lane End, Five Acres and New Thatch or Independent Pit.

Clump of inhabitants - - all named living in Canhope,(this is how it is spelt on the census) followed by Winston, Thatch Pit, and Bush Pit.

Yep, the Bush and Thatch mines are in the right general area within a mile or so, this site gives map references.
http://way-mark.co.uk/foresthaven/historic/hworklst.htm
This map shows the location of Thatch and Bush pits, nearer to Bicknor and Lydbrook (see Chemical Works top right).
http://www.lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/Staunton.html
This adjoining(eastwards) map shows the location of the pithead & surface buildings of the present-day Cannop, nowadays only the ponds survive.
http://www.lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/EastDean.html

Post WW2 "Cannop Colliery" was one of the handfull of working pits left in the Forest, it was one of the big nationalised NCB pits and worked until 1960. It's underground workings were very widespread.
See photo http://www.forest-of-dean.net/index.php/fod-variety-2

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The history of the various Chemical works in the Lydbrook/Cannop valleys is detailed in this article which mentions Samuel,
"In 1881 five chemical works produced a range of substances by distilling wood, including charcoal, pyroligneous acid, tar, and naphtha, and employed a total of c. 130 men. The oldest works, near Cannop bridge, were in use in 1835, and George Skipp, who manufactured lead acetate there in 1841, built similar works in the Oakwood valley near Bream in 1844. In 1854 the Oakwood factory belonged to Isaiah Trotter of Coleford. The Cannop factory later produced sulphuric acid and crushed charcoal for making lampblack. At the Upper Lydbrook works, established in 1857, Samuel Russell produced naphtha in 1859 and the Broadmoor works, built north of Cinderford by John and Thomas Powell c. 1864, later made lead acetate. In 1870 the firm of Chapman & Morgan operated the chemical works some way south of Whitecroft. S. M. Thomas took over the Lydbrook factory in the mid 1870s, acquired the Cannop and Oakwood works c. 1890, and sold them all in 1894 to Thomas Newcomen, who ceased operations at Oakwood and Cannop in 1900 and 1902 respectively. The Whitecroft works, which had closed by 1883, may have been in use again in the late 1880s and early 1890s and the Broadmoor works were abandoned before 1900. The Lydbrook factory, which also made foundry blackings, remained in use until c. 1933."

From: 'Forest of Dean: Industry', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 5: Bledisloe Hundred, St. Briavels Hundred, The Forest of Dean (1996), pp. 326-354.
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23267
Date accessed: 19 September 2013.

[Perhaps not related ?? to Samuel but the Russell brothers were important ironworkers in the industrial history of Lydbrook.]

The Cannop Chemical works is mentioned in the 1870 Kelly's Directory of West Dean, within the Lane End section
"Forest of Dean Chemical Co. naphtha manufacturers (W. H. Jackson, manager), Cannop works."
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cbennett/westdean1870.htm

Thanks so much for the information. It matches the information I have on my family tree. I have found this website to be most informative for locating information on my Jones and Gwilliam ancestors.

Hi D I elsmore,
You are correct because we are related to the Baxters, I had a lovely uncle Arthur and Auntie Gladys who lived in Auckland Greenlane, when I was a child we used to visit them. My mother was Rita Alice Jones and her father was George Edward Jones and mother Harriett Louisa, they both came from the Forrest of dean area. They imigrated to New Zealand where my mother was born, but I have as yet to find when they came out or any shipping references. I have only just started my research and really appreciate any thing that you are able to tell me.
Kind regards Colleen Johns

My adress 86 St Martins Rd,
St Martins
Christchurch 8022
New Zealand

Hi,
I am getting a bit confused here, but Im pretty sure that the Sarah Anne in my line was a Smith and not Hardwicke although I have only just begun my geneology search so cant be sure. Regards Colleen

William Jones baptised 21 May 1819 at English Bicknor, married Charlotte Hardwick at Upton Bishop on 8 April 1845.
Their eldest son William Jones was born 1848 and he married Sarah Ann Smith in 1867.

Hope this helps.

Mike

1881 New Road Hangerberry (Prince of Wales Inn)
William Jones abt 1841 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah A. Jones abt 1845 Broad Hinton, Hereford, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlott Jones abt 1871 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England
William S. Jones abt 1874 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England
Fanny B. Jones abt 1876 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England
George E. Jones abt 1877 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England

1881 Brierly next to Swan Inn (all from East dean) Harriet transcribed as Alice
Joseph Terrett 38
Louisa Terrett38
Ester A. Terrett4
Alice Terrett 2

1891
William Jones abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head
Sarah A Jones abt 1844 Uffcoss, Wales Wife
Emily Jones abt 1871 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
George Jones abt 1877 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Beatrice M A Jones abt 1873 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Niece

marriage
JONES George Edward
TERRETT Harriett Louisa
Forest of Dean Drybrook Holy Trinity
1904 4 104

Year:1904
Month:Jun
Day:1
Grooms_Surname:JONES
Grooms_Forenames:George Edward
Grooms_Age:27
Groom_Condition:Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:Engineer
Grooms_Residence:Lydbrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:Jones
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:deceased
Brides_Surname:TERRETT
Brides_Forenames:Harriet Louisa
Brides_Age:25
Brides_Condition:Spinster
Brides_Occupation:[not stated]
Brides_Residence:Brierley
Brides_Fathers_Surname:Terrett
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:Joseph
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:Wheelwright
Licence_or_Banns:Banns
Date_of_Banns:[not stated]
Signature_or_Mark:both sign
Witness_1:William Sidney Jones
Witness_2:Alice Sophia Terrett
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:James Lawton Vicar
Event:Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:P109 IN 1/8
Page_Number:52
Parish_Chapel:Drybrook

1911 Upper Lydbrook
George Edward Jones 34
Harriet Louise Jones 33

and then to New Zealand sometime after the 1911 census

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

From this site's FoD PRs:

Record_ID: 244255
Entry_Number: 108
Year: 1819
Month: Jun
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: HARDWICK
Child_Forenames: Charlotte
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Sandford
Occupation: Farmer
Officiating_Minister: G.H.L. Gretton
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Daughr of
Notes:
Register_Reference: AD99/4
Page_Number: 14
Parish_Chapel: Upton Bishop
Soundex: H632

Possible parents:
Record_ID: 66721
Entry_Number: 116
Year: 1806
Month: Jun
Day: 12
Grooms_Surname: HARDWICK
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Upton Bishop [Herefordshire]
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: PERKINS
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Sophia Nelmes
Witness_2: John Nelmes
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Charles Whatley rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AR90/5
Page_Number: 28
Parish_Chapel: Aston Ingham
Soundex_Groom: H632
Soundex_Bride: P625

Bride is a widow - using Advanced Search to find a Marriage of "groom Perkins" to "bride Mary" suggests this maybe her first marriage, a few to consider but the date and locaity fits well, plus the Nelmes name is a probable link (could Sophia & John be her parents or siblings ?):

Record_ID 66707
Entry_Number 106
Year 1803
Month Feb
Day 14
Grooms_Surname PERKINS
Grooms_Forenames Thomas
Grooms_Age
Groom_Condition Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation
Grooms_Residence of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation
Brides_Surname NELMES
Brides_Forenames Mary
Brides_Age
Brides_Condition Spinster
Brides_Occupation
Brides_Residence of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname
Brides_Fathers_Forenames
Brides_Fathers_Occupation
Licence_or_Banns Licence
Date_of_Banns
Signature_or_Mark Both sign
Witness_1 Thos Perkins
Witness_2 John Nelmes
Other_Witnesses
Officiating_Minister Charles Whatley rector
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register_Reference AR90/5
Page_Number 25
Parish_Chapel Aston Ingham
Soundex_Groom P625
Soundex_Bride N452

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This site's PRs include several William Hardwicks in the Upton Bishop locality stretching back to 1579 if not beyond !

Thanks for your help, I had not come across the census that places them still in Lydbrook in 1911, is that what that was (census). I am yet to discover when they came to New Zealand, most of the shipping records i have looked at have drawn a blank.

1911 Wales Census, Upper Lydbrook, Glos
Living in 4 rooms

(married 6 years, no children born alive, none died)

George Edward JONES, 34, Engine Fitter born Upper Lydbrook, Glos
Harriet Louisa JONES - 33 - born Brierley, Glos

Hi Colleen, I have just returned from holiday so hence the delay-Sorry. I will send you details in the post and hope they help in your search of family tree. Ivan

Thank you very much for your help, it is very kind of you. Where do you live? Yours sincerely Colleen Johns

HI COLLEEN,I hAVE SENT IN THE POST TO YOU ON THE 27 SEPT MY RECORDS OF THE WILLIAM JONES FAMILY- Lydbrook,I await your reply. Ivan