Oh that's interesting Mike it does sound like the same person. It does sound highly likely that with John and his children all being in relatively the same area, St briavels, newland, Staunton, that I am on the right lines here.

Jeff thanks very much for the links. I do not know Staunton all that well so I did find the history of it very interesting. I am wondering if John haynes was a shoe maker would he be relatively well documented and if so where would be a good place to take a look, suggestions would be much appreciated.

Dan