Edward John Carpenter (General)

by shepway , Wednesday, February 01, 2017, 15:57 (2943 days ago) @ Gwenn

This does not appear to be straightforward. First of all Edwin was registered and baptised as Edward:

Births Mar 1879
Carpenter Edward John Westbury S. 6a 280

Year: 1879
Month: Jan
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: CARPENTER
Child_Forenames: Edward John
Fathers_Forenames: Job
Mothers_Forenames: Caroline
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Cinderford Workhouse
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: Chris Jay Jones Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/15
Page_Number: 183
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn

In 1891 he is with his William Byett and his mother as follows:

Ruspidge
Given Name Surname Relationship Gender Age Estimated Birth Year Birth City or District Birth County Birth Country
William Byett Head Male 40 1851 Soudley, Glos
Caroline Byett Wife Female 35 1856 St Briavels Gloucestershire England
William Byett Son Male 17 1874 Ruspidge
Edwin Byett Son Male 12 1879 Ruspidge
Jane Byett Daughter Female 13 1878 Ruspidge
Eliza Byett Daughter Female 13 1878 Ruspidge
Clara Byett Daughter Female 7 1884 Ruspidge
Henry Byett Son Male 5 1886 Ruspidge
John Byett Son Male 3 1888 Ruspidge
George Byett Son Male 2 1889 Ruspidge
Phillip Byett Son Male 8/12 1890 Ruspidge

Moving on to 1901 we find the Byett family still in Ruspidge:
Household Number Name Relation to Head Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth Place
68 William Byett Head 50 1851 Male Soudley, Gloucestershire, England
68 Caraline Byett Wife 46 1855 Female St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England
68 Clara Byett Daughter 17 1884 Female Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England
68 Harry Byett Son 15 1886 Male Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England
68 John Byett Son 13 1888 Male Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England

On the same page is this couple:
Household Number Name Relation to Head Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth Place
65 Edward J Carpenter Head 22 1879 Male Westbury on Severn
65 Mary A Carpenter Wife 21 1880 Female Shipley, Yorkshire, England

and it would appear that Edward married in Yorkshire:
Marriages Sep 1900
Carpenter Edward John Bradford, Y. 9b 90
Holmes Mary Ann Bradford, Y. 9b 90

Births Sep 1879
Holmes Mary Ann Bradford, Y. 9b 224

We then move on to 1911 and find Mary Ann back in Shipley but Edward is missing:
1911 Census:
3 Taylor St Shipley, Shipley, Yorkshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Robert Mann Head Married Male Platelayer Mid Rly 50 1861 Goote Yorks
Florence Mann Wife Married Female - 34 1877 Shipley Yorks
John Mann Son - Male - 9 1902 Shipley Yorks
Walter Mann Son - Male - 7 1904 Shipley Yorks
Norman Mann Son - Male - 4 1907 Shipley Yorks
Mary Ann Carpenter Boarder Married Female Woolcomber 32 1879 Shipley Yorks
Eric Carpenter Son - Male - 7 1904 Ruspidge Glouce
Alice Carpenter Daughter - Female - 9 1902 Bingley Yorks
Florence Mann Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Shipley Yorks

A search of GRO Index finds the following births:

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: :
CARPENTER, ERIC EDWARD HOLMES
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in KEIGHLEY Volume 09A Page 163
CARPENTER, GEORGE CALBERT HOLMES
GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in GLANFORD BRIGG Volume 07A Page 700

CARPENTER, ALICE HOLMES
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN Volume 06A Page 300
CARPENTER, MAUD HOLMES
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN Volume 06A Page 297
CARPENTER, OLIVE HOLMES
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in GLANFORD BRIGG Volume 07A Page 668
CARPENTER, ROSE ELSIE HOLMES
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in GLANFORD BRIGG Volume 07A Page 653

Finding Edward John in 1911 is proving a problem. This is the nearest match:

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Tom Kerry Head Married Male Colliery Lamp Cleaner Above Ground 31 1880 Derbycounty Stanley Parish Transcription
Mary Ann Kerry Wife Married Female - 35 1876 Nottingham Transcription
Mary Ann Kerry Daughter - Female School 9 1902 Derby County Stanley Parish Transcription
Edna May Kerry Daughter - Female School 6 1905 Derby County Stanley Parish Transcription
Iris Kerry Daughter - Female - 2 1909 Derby County Stanley Parish Transcription
Harriett Kerry Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Derby County Stanley Parish Transcription
Edward Carpenter Boarder Single Male Miner 30 1881 Gloucester County West Dean

Edward John is listed in the Electoral Register in 1904 at Ruspidge
1904
Cinderford Ruspidge 1904 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Edward John Carpenter 1904 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England

This together with the 1911 Census for Mary Ann suggest that they parted company.

We next find Edward in the 1927 Electoral Register and this gives us the full forenames of his then wife/partner

Gloucestershire, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1974
Forest of Dean 1927
Edward John Carpenter 1927 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lower Ruspidge, Cinderford
Ann Victoria Carpenter 1927 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lower Ruspidge, Cinderford

Next we find them in the 1939 Register:
1939 Register
Carpenter Household (2 People)
74 Ruspidge Road , East Dean R.D., Gloucestershire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Edward J Carpenter 02 Jan 1879 Male Coal Hewer Heavy Worker Married 208 1
Anne V Weyman (Carpenter) 07 Mar 1887 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 208 2

Edward dies in 1946
Year: 1946
Month: Jul
Day: 11
Surname: CARPENTER
Forenames: Edward John
Residence: 74 Ruspidge R[oa]d Cinderford
Age_at_death: 68 years
Officiating_Minister: A E Follows Methodist Minister
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: 23/46 written in margin
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/16
Page_No: 6
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

and Anne marries in 1950:

Marriages Dec 1950
Carpenter Anne V Weyman F.of Dean 7b 697
Weyman Maurice CARPENTER F. of Dean 7b 697

Ann dies in 1992

Name: Ann Victoria Weyman
Birth Date: 9 Mar 1887
Date of Registration: May 1992
Age at Death: 105
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 22
Page: 1777

This does not provide Ann(e)'s maiden name and we continue our searches.

Mike