Following-up this earlier post from Mike, and MPG's 1901 Census info for C.H.Davies:

"1906 C.H.DAVIES

1907 Transfer from Charles Henry DAVIES to Mr. HAWKER

1909 Charles Henry DAVIES"

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Altho' he's still in the hotel trade I don't think Charles H. Davies is still at the Railway Inn by the 1911 Census - don't think the Lea came within the Ross Urban district.
http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/unit/10136908/boundary

I still cannot be certain which hotel he was at, as I'm reliant on FamilySearch transcript so cannot see the image ie specific place or neighbourhood.

1911 Ross Urban, Ross, Herefordshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Charles H Davis Head M 43 HOTEL PROPRIETOR. Cheltenham Glosshire, Gloucestershire
Emily E Davis Wife F 42 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire
Beatrice E Davis Daughter F 11 Newport, Monmouthshire
Llewellyn Price Father-in-law M 74 WIDOWER, GENTLEMAN. Govilon, Monmouthshire
May E Bevan Barmaid F 23 Chepstow, Monmouthshire
Ida A Mitchell Cook F 28 Hereford, Herefordshire
Harry Coopey Boots M 28 Churcham, Gloucestershire

1891 Engine Pond Row, EBBW VALE, Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Charles Hy Davies Head M 25 Railway Foreman. Gloucestershire, England
Emily Eva Davies Wife F 25 Monmouthshire, England

etc

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Mr James Hawker (wrt 1913 Directory etc) is rather easier;

1911 Hope Mansel, Lea Ross, Herefordshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James Hawker Proprietor M 56 HOTEL KEEPER. Glos Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Alice Dinah Hawker Wife F 48 Glos Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Fred Jas Hawker Son M 33 ASSISTANT IN HOTEL. Glos Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Fannie Hawker Daughter F 25 ASSISTANT IN HOTEL. Glos Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Edith Hawker Daughter F 24 ASSISTANT IN HOTEL. Glos Cinderford, Gloucestershire
William Harris Visitor M 40 PRIVATE MEANS. Glos Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Alice George Servant F 18 DOMESTIC. Glos Little Dean, Gloucestershire
William Bent Servant M 50 GROOM GARDENER. Hrds Weston, Gloucestershire

1901 High Street, Woodside St Stephens, East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James Hawker Head M 46 Hotel Proprietor. Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Hawker Wife F 44 Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Fred Hawker Son M 23 Cinderford, Gloucestershire
A M Hawker Daughter F 21 Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Fanny Hawker Daughter F 16 Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Edith E Hawker Daughter F 14 Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Ethel M Hawker Daughter F 8 Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Annie Ireland Servant F 24 Domestic General. Lane End, Gloucestershire

Searching the Glos Pubs database for "Hawker" shows that in 1901, or thereabouts, he was landord of The Lion on Cinderford High Street. Nowadays it's become the "Golden Lion", using that search term will give only 9 pages within the GlosPubs site, including our one which states James Hawker was landlord "in 1902, 1906" and probably the years between.
http://www.gloucestershirepubs.co.uk/AllGlosPubsDatabase/AllGlosPubs_view.php

1891 Cinderford Bridge, St John, East Dean,Gloucestershire
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James Hawker Head M 37 Publican. Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Hawker Wife F 33 Gloucestershire, England
Frederick Hawker Son M 14 Scholar. Gloucestershire, England
Gertrude Hawker Daughter F 12 Gloucestershire, England
Minnie Hawker Daughter F 9 Gloucestershire, England
Fanny Hawker Daughter F 6 Gloucestershire, England
Edith Hawker Daughter F 4 Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Webb Servant F 17 Housemaid. Gloucestershire, England
Fred Brown Man Servant M 16 Hostler. Wiltshire, England

It would appear that James was a good and busy publican, a man of some means, as his children were still listed as scholars and suchlike and living at home, when others of their age would have been out working, especially son Frederick who's schoolmates would have been down the mines by now, just as father James had been as a youth ?

As expected given the address, they were at the recently-demolished Bridge Inn, see
http://www.gloucestershirepubs.co.uk/AllGlosPubsDatabase/RAIGConnection.php?pubid1=1244

1881 St Johns, East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James Hawker Head M 27 Publican. Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Hawker Wife F 25 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Frederick Hawker Son M 5 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Gertrude Hawker Daughter F 3 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Amelia Hawker Daughter F 1 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1871 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Eliza Hawker Head F 50 Widowed. Broad Oak, Gloucestershire
James Hawker Son M 18 Miner. Cinderford, Gloucestershire

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Record_ID: 85028
Entry_Number: 1225
Year: 1876
Month: Oct
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: HAWKER
Child_Forenames: Frederick James
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruspidge
Occupation: Innkeeper
Officiating_Minister: G.A.Allan
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 154
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex: H260

Record_ID: 85154
Entry_Number: 1330
Year: 1878
Month: Jun
Day: 30
Parents_Surname: HAWKER
Child_Forenames: Gertrude
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Nags Head
Occupation: Inn Keeper
Officiating_Minister: John Phillips
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 167
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex: H260

For Nags Head
see http://www.gloucestershirepubs.co.uk/AllGlosPubsDatabase/RAIGConnection.php?pubid1=1266

Just to expand on that 1851 Census entry, the original image gives the name of the SKINNER’s dwelling as Crewses. They must have seized the opportunity when the railway arrived.

I think the 1871 Census entry reads “Crooses or Railway Inn”. Since CROOSE is a genuine surname I wonder if it refers to a pre-railway name for the establishment.

AND that makes better sense of the rather odd-sounding location in the aforementioned 1856 Trade Directory, "John Skinner, cider retailer, Cruse Farm", who may well be Susannah Skinner's husband at the time.

Thanks Mike !

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Just looked at the old maps hoping to find a Cruse/Croose Farm marked, hopefully near the Railway Inn. Sadly no such luck whatsoever. The nearest I can find is a Croose Farm still at Woolhope, north of Ross on Wye.

???

I then remembered the hamlet of Aston Crews just a few miles north of Lea - cannot find any history about the placename, but as Mike says the PRs show there were a few people surnamed Croose in Lea village in the 17th and 18th Centuries, and no doubt before that too. By the time of the 1841 Census the nearest I can see was a Charles Croose in Littledean, and in 1851 a John Crews and family in Ross.

Ah well...

Thanks Mike, interesting stuff.

I guess I didn't find that one because I had "Lea" in my search field, good old FamilySearch has it as being "Crooses, NEWLAND, Glos" - with no mention of "Lea" ... And this was despite my searching Lea Glos as well as Lea Herefordshire. Ah well.

To be fair when I first took-up this hobby, all the text books told me to beware LDS cum FamilySearch and their poor transcriptions, so this had to happen eventually.

Must admit I still always think of Newland as being Coleford way, but yes they're correct.

Think it's def time for me to invest again in a proper subscription.
atb J

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fyi, FamilySearch has;

1841 Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Residence Note Crooses
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Hannah Nichols F 38-42
James Baldwin M 36-40 Gloucestershire

1851 ???, Gloucestershire, England
Registration District Westbury On Severn
Residence Note Rudge Lane
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James Baldwin Head M 45 Farmer Of 10 Acres & Hallier. Ross, Herefordshire
Hannah Nicholls Servant F 49 Unmarried.General Servant. Weston Under Penyard, Herefordshire
Ann Nicholls Lodger F 51 Weston Under Penyard, Herefordshire

Weston is very near Lea of course, AND "famous" for it's "Cross" ....
https://www.francisfrith.com/weston-under-penyard/weston-under-penyard-weston-cross-inn...

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Record_ID: 565661
Entry_Number:
Year: 1799
Month: Aug
Day: 4
Parents_Surname: NICHOLLS
Child_Forenames: Hannah
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Frances
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Weston u Penyard
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: C N Michell curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Bile Mill
Notes:
Register_Reference: AA33/3
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Weston under Penyard
Soundex: N242

Record_ID: 565611
Entry_Number:
Year: 1796
Month: Jun
Day: 19
Parents_Surname: NICHOLLS
Child_Forenames: Anne
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Frances
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Weston u Penyard
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: C N Michell curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Bile Mill
Notes:
Register_Reference: AA33/3
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Weston under Penyard
Soundex: N242
Record_ID: 392799
Entry_Number: 568
Year: 1855
Month: Jul
Day: 6
Surname: NICHOLLS
Forenames: Ann
Residence: East Dean
Age_at_death: 56
Officiating_Minister: Edward Burdett Hawkshaw Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AA33/15
Page_No: 71
Parish_Chapel: Weston under Penyard
Soundex: N242

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Cheers again Peter, yes I've used that myself, its very good !.
Think I was just so focussed on trying to find "old" photos I foolishly didn't think of the "now", or at least not regarding the pub itself. Maybe cos seem to spend so much time these days talking about great old pubs that have now been demolished, grr.

Still seems odd that despite lot's of searching not one photo or mention ever came up, presumably cos its a bit no-mans land twixt the 2 counties, and to be fair it's perhaps not the most photo-genic / picturesque of buildings.

Thanks again sir.