Henry Hale & family, Ruspidge East Dean. (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Monday, October 07, 2019, 15:53 (1909 days ago) @ kiwigirl

Hi again Kiwigirl,
you're welcome re my reply. Sorry if I seemed a bit abrupt by mentioning the time, I didn't mean it that way, as soon as I shut down the pc I regretted maybe seeming a tad unfriendly but I was long overdue some sleep.
Thanks too for your extra info, very helpful indeed. I'd noticed you'd been "on" the forum for some years so guessed you'd done all the right things astwere, but always worth checking just in case.
Also thanks for confirming this really is a tricky search - when I logged-in again just now I was selfishly "worried" I'd find your search would be over and others contributors esp MPG had got it all sorted, it wouldn't be the first time I'd missed the obvious haha.

So to recap, for my benefit and perhaps future researchers, I appreciate you already know this Kiwigirl;

This site has Bessie's parents' marriage (still cannot see mention of them in prior forum posts). I also wonder why they don't seem to be listed on the Hale FH site ?

Record_ID: 71385
Entry_Number: 164
Year: 1849
Month: Mar
Day: 26
Parents_Surname: HALE
Child_Forenames: Henry
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Harriet
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Top of Joyford
Occupation: Engineer
Officiating_Minister: J. Banks M.A. Perp[etual]. Curate.
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: P[rivately] B[aptised] Aug 3 received.
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 21
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex: H400

Record_ID: 32619
Entry_Number: 119
Year: 1871
Month: May
Day: 23
Grooms_Surname: HALE
Grooms_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Cinderford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Hale
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Engine Driver
Brides_Surname: CRITCHLEY
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age: 21
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Cinderford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Critchley
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Blacksmith
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks; she signs
Witness_1: George Holder
Witness_2: Kesia Morgan
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Lockett
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 60
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex_Groom: H400
Soundex_Bride: C632

(Great for me to see an engineering family tradition !)

1881 Lea, Herefordshire, England, United Kingdom
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Henry Hale Head M 36 Coal miner. Parkend, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Hale Wife F 30 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England
Bertha Hale Daughter F 9 Scholar. Parkend, Gloucestershire, England
Henry Hale Son M 8 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England
Eliza Hale Daughter F 6 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England
John Hale Son M 4 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England
Joseph Hale Son M 3 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Hale Daughter F 1 Littledean Hill, Gloucestershire, England

Using the FoD PRs search facility we can find these ten Baptisms, suggesting there's another child you've not spotted KiwiGirl ;

Year Surname First Name Fathers Forename Mothers Forename Event Parish/Chapel
1889 HALE Bertha Henry Elisabeth Baptism Cinderford St John
1889 HALE Elisabeth Henry Elisabeth Baptism Cinderford St John
1889 HALE Sarah Henry Elisabeth Baptism Cinderford St John
1890 HALE Henry Henry Elisabeth Baptism Cinderford St John
1890 HALE John Henry Elisabeth Baptism Cinderford St John
1890 HALE Joseph Henry Elisabeth Baptism Cinderford St John
1890 HALE Fred Loftus Henry Elisabeth Baptism Cinderford St John
1890 HALE Ernest Henry Elisabeth Baptism Cinderford St John
1890 HALE Frank Henry Elisabeth Baptism Cinderford St John
1890 HALE Herbert Henry Elisabeth Baptism Cinderford St John

NB: clicking on the individual PRs shows many of these children were Baptised some years after they were born, eg Bertha's Baptism PR states born 7th June 1881. I wonder iof this means the family moved to Ruspidge c1888 ?

Now in Ruspidge, southern edge of Cinderford, aka East Dean Township;

1891 East Dean, Parish St John, W-o-S District, Glos
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Henry Hale Head M 43 Coal miner. Gloucestershire, England
Elizath Hale Wife F 41 Gloucestershire, England
Henry Hale Son M 17 Coal miner. Gloucestershire, England
Bessie Hale Daughter F 16 Scholar. Gloucestershire, England
John Hale Son M 14 Scholar. Gloucestershire, England
Joseph Hale Son M 13 Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Hale Daughter F 11 Scholar. Gloucestershire, England
Fred L Hale Son M 9 Gloucestershire, England
Earnest Hale Son M 9 Gloucestershire, England
Frank Hale Son M 4 Gloucestershire, England
Herbert Hale Son M 0 Gloucestershire, England

Confirming MPG's thought abt Bessie having a sister named Sarah.

Sadly;

Record_ID: 64558
Entry_Number: 142
Year: 1892
Month: Jul
Day: 12
Surname: HALE
Forenames: Elisabeth
Residence: Ruspidge Cinderford
Age_at_death: 42 years
Officiating_Minister: C. W. Houlston St. Stephens
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Shares entry with Harold HALE
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/14
Page_No: 18
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex: H400

Just days after losing her baby...

Record_ID: 64435
Entry_Number: 20
Year: 1891
Month: Jul
Day: 1
Surname: HALE
Forenames: Herbert
Residence: Cinderford
Age_at_death: 11 months
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Lynes Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/14
Page_No: 3
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex: H400

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