Hi,

I am searching for information on George Phelps, and his parents William and Anna (Bullock).

(please note, that this posting relates to Jean Herbert's 'convict records' posting. I have already collected the information from there - thanks to Jean and all the respondents).

I have George's death certificate, and the birth certificate of his son James Nevell.

From these certificates we know that George was:
b. 1819 (possibly 16 May) at Forest of Dean (no more detail - and I am learning just how big the FoD is!!)
m. 26 Sept. 1853 at Sofala, NSW, Australia (near Bathurst) to Mary Hawker (nee Vincent Nevell)
d. 3 March 1864 at Carwell, NSW, Australia (also near Bathurst)

we also know that his father was William Phelps (occupation farmer) and mother was Anna (nee Bullock).

It is possible that George was a convict, and that he arrived with a brother.

I have found the records for one George Phelps who was tried at the Gloucester Duaster (?) Sessions on June 27 1843 and sentenced to 10 years. He was transported to Tasmania (Van Diemens Land) on the Lord Auckland.

He was granted a conditional pardon between 1834 and 1859 (presumably July 1849) after spending 6 years 1 month in the colony. He was still in Tasmania in 1849 (based on the Ledger records).

I have ordered all the convict records that one can obtain from the Tasmanian Archives. There is a 6 week waiting list, so it will be a while before I know the crime this George committed, and what he looked like.

There was a George Phelps in Glos. in the 1841 census:

Surname First Name Age Place Box Piece Folio
PHELPS George 20 RUSPIDGE 3 364/9 36

This is prior to the convict George being tried, so I believe it could be the same one. (There were many other George Phelps' in the census, but none the right age).

I have not been able to find George in the BMD yet, but I do not know the geography of the FoD so I may be looking in the wrong parish/hundred.

We also do not have any BMD information for William and Anna. I have found a few marriages between William Phelps and Anna/Hanna, but not Bullock. Is it possible that Anna was on her second marriage, and not recorded as Bullock? Are there many variations on the name of Bullock?

My family and I are travelling to the FoD in August to try and trace George, William and Anna - and hopefully go back a bit further. I was hoping to find as much information as possible before we arrive, so that we can look in the right areas. We could spend a long time visiting every parish church cemetery, otherwise!

Thanks in advance for any information that can be provided.

In particular, I wish to extend many thanks to Jean Herbert for getting me started in these postings.

Additional information:
I have found some William and Anna Phelps' in the 1841 census (I would think that the only possibilities are the 40-60 age bracket):

Surname First Name Age Place Box Piece Folio
PHELPS William 25 AWRE TYTHING 1 350/2 26
PHELPS William 55 DYMOCK 1 350/6 32
PHELPS William 11 CLIFFORDS MESNENEWENT 1 350/10 29
PHELPS William 45 GORSLEY COMMON NEWENT 1 350/10 50
PHELPS William 10 GORSLEY COMMON NEWENT 1 350/10 50
PHELPS William 50 RUDFORD 1 350/13 3
PHELPS William 35 ST. BRIAVELS 2 364/3 11
PHELPS William 5 OLD FURNACE 2 364/5 22
PHELPS William 36 HARRY HILL 2 364/6 8
PHELPS William 60 EDGE HILLS 3 364/8 8
PHELPS William 14 HORSE POOL BOTTOM 3 364/8 11

PHELPS Ann 40 AWRE TYTHING 1 350/2 26
PHELPS Ann 7 GORSLEY COMMON NEWENT 1 350/10 49
PHELPS Ann 2 GORSLEY COMMON NEWENT 1 350/10 50
PHELPS Ann 7 OLD FURNACE 2 364/5 22
PHELPS Ann 40 LEA BAILEY 3 365/4 4
PHELPS Ann 60 CHURCHAM 3A 369/2 12
PHELPS Ann 20 WESTBURY WORKHOUSE 3A 369/5 66
PHELPS Mary Ann 12 TAYNTON 1 350/14 14

PHELPS Hannah 85 KEMPLEY 1 350/8 4
PHELPS Hannah 40 OLD FURNACE 2 364/5 22
PHELPS Hannah 9 OLD FURNACE 2 364/5 22

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=11747#p11753

Gloucester Duaster (?) Sessions

its Quarter Sessions , a quaint legal term used here for the seasonal Court sessions :-)

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1851 Ravens Hill, Cliffords Mesne
William Phelps abt 1785 Hartpury, Gloucestershire, England Head Newent, Gloucestershire Farmer
Ann Phelps abt 1785 Hartpury, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newent, Gloucestershire
Charles Phelps abt 1825 Hartpury, Gloucestershire, England Son Newent, Gloucestershire

although I suspect this is their marriage

Year: 1806
Month: Apr
Day: 29

Groom Surname: PHELPS
Groom Forenames: William
Groom Age at Marriage:
Groom condition: Batchelor
Groom Rank or Profession:
Groom Residence: Hartpury
Groom Father's Surname:
Groom Father's Forenames:
Groom Father's Rank or Profession:

Bride Surname: BUSTON
Bride Forenames: Ann
Bride Age at Marriage:
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession:
Bride Residence: Hartpury
Bride Father's Surname:
Bride Father's Forenames:
Bride Father's Rank or Profession:
Licence or Banns: Licence
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: Both sign
Witness 1: W[illia]m Phelps
Witness 2: Ann Phelps
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: W[illia]m Bushell Curate
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P165 IN 1/6
Page No: 27
Parish_Chapel: Hartpury

Year: 1785
Month: Mar
Day: 19
Parents_Surname: BUSTON
Child_Forenames: Ann
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Tho[ma]s Evans Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P165 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 48
Parish_Chapel: Hartpury

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I think this one can be discounted as well - she ws married to a Thomas

Year: 1795
Month: Oct
Day: 24
Parents Surname: PHELPS
Child Forenames: Joseph
Father's Forenames: Thos.
Mother's Forenames: Hannah
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating Minister: R.Squire Vic J.Jenkins Curate
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P188 IN 1/3
Page No: 19
Parish_Chapel: Kempley

1841
Hannah Phelps abt 1756 Gloucestershire, England Kempley, Gloucestershire
Joseph Phelps abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Kempley, Gloucestershire Farmer/Yeoman
Ckarer [ESTHER] Phelps abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Kempley, Gloucestershire
Lucy Phelps abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Kempley, Gloucestershire

Year: 1839
Month: Oct
Day: 6
Parents Surname: PHELPS
Child Forenames: Lucy
Father's Forenames: Joseph
Mother's Forenames: Esther
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Bridges
Occupation: Yeoman
Officiating Minister: William Servante Vicar
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P188 IN 1/6
Page No: 33
Parish_Chapel: Kempley

1851 Great Lynch
Hanah King abt 1788 Kempley, Gloucestershire, England Head Dymock, Gloucestershire
Henery Phelps abt 1847 Kempley, Gloucestershire, England Nephew Dymock, Gloucestershire
Lucey Phelps abt 1840 Kempley, Gloucestershire, England Niece Dymock, Gloucestershire
Thomas Phelps abt 1827 Bath, Somerset, England Nephew Dymock, Gloucestershire

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1841
Richard King abt 1782 Dymock, Gloucestershire Farmer
Mary King abt 1784 Gloucestershire, England Dymock, Gloucestershire

Year: 1834
Month: Apr
Day: 19

Groom Surname: KING
Groom Forenames: Rich[ar]d
Groom Age at Marriage:
Groom condition: Widower
Groom Rank or Profession:
Groom Residence: Dymock
Groom Father's Surname:
Groom Father's Forenames:
Groom Father's Rank or Profession:

Bride Surname: PHELPS
Bride Forenames: Hannah
Bride Age at Marriage:
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession:
Bride Residence: of this parish
Bride Father's Surname:
Bride Father's Forenames:
Bride Father's Rank or Profession:
Licence or Banns: Licence
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: Both mark
Witness 1: James King
Witness 2: Mark of Joseph Phelps
Other witnesses: Ann Meek: Esther Brooke
Officiating Minister: Rich[ar]d Brooke Curate
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P188 IN 1/8
Page No: 10
Parish_Chapel: Kempley

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I was wondering about this one? Apart from the member-submitted IGI record, do you have anything else to support the William Phelps/Hannah Bullock marriage please?

Record_ID: 11192
Entry Number: 459
Year: 1815
Month: May
Day: 1
Groom Surname: PHELPS
Groom Forenames: William
Groom Age at Marriage: [not stated]
Groom condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Groom Residence: Hundred of Saint Briavels
Groom Father's Surname: [not stated]
Groom Father's Forenames: [not stated]
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Bride Surname: BLUNT
Bride Forenames: Hannah
Bride Age at Marriage: [not stated]
Bride Condition: Widow
Bride Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Bride Residence: Hundred of Saint Briavels
Bride Father's Surname: [not stated]
Bride Father's Forenames: [not stated]
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Licence or Banns: Banns
Date of banns: [not stated]
Signature or Mark: He signs she marks.
Witness 1: John Hale
Witness 2: Mark of Elizabeth Smith
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: John Newport Curate
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P220 IN 1/7
Page No: 3
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean
Soundex Groom: P412
Soundex Bride: B453

Hi,

the only document that I currently have that gives Anna Phelps' maiden name is her son's (George) Death Certificate. This was issued in Australia, and I guess we not know if George's wife (Mary Hawker, nee Vincent Nevell) had the correct information at hand or not. I guess that Anna could be one of many variations on first names, as well.

thanks for all of the searching so far - very helpful.

is there a record of the Glos. Quarter Sessions from around 1843?

cheers

Gloucestershire Archives hold the records you are interested in:

http://www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1348

It looks like the George Phelps Named in the Gaol Records for 1843 is not your "man"

Brief details as follows

Entry 29 George Phelps aged 7

Admission date 15 August 1843 Cheltenham

Tried 17 October 1843

Sentence, One Month and Whipped

David D

1843 phelps george U Cinderford Q/Gc5/7 collier Gaol

strange ! it says Cinderford not Cheltenham :-)

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The right George PHELPS I hope!

Summer Assizes 1843

Entry No 81
Name George PHELPS
Age 25
Description Brown Hair, Brown Eyes, Round Visage, Common Complexion,several moles on his neck
Collier, 128, 5-3
Parish Cinderford
Date of Admission 3/6/1843
Cause of Commitment Charged on the oath of George WILTSHIRE and others with feloniously stealing at Flaxley on the second day of June a ram[?] lamb the property of William WOOD

When Tried Trinity Sessions 27/6/1843
Sentence Transported 10 years
When Discharged 28/6/1843
Conduct Orderly
Remarks ---

The other interesting detail is that the next entry shows a James WILLIAMS aged 19 was charged with the same offence along with George PHELPS but only received "18 calender months penitentury"

David D

Thats the boy !

Name: George Phelps
Vessel: Lord Auckland
Convicted Date: 27 Jun 1843
Voyage Date: 13 Jul 1844
Colony: Van Dieman'S Land
Piece: HO 11/14
Place of Conviction: Gloucester
County of Conviction: Gloucester
Term Ten years

possible Gloucester Goal records

1843 phelps george U Cheltenham Q/Gc5/7 labourer Gaol
1843 phelps george U Cinderford Q/Gc5/7 collier Gaol

1841 Ruspidge
Anne Braddington abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Belinda Hawker abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Eliza Hawker abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Philip Hawker abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Robert Hawker abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
George Phelps abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

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Thank you dink999, that matches all of my records for the George Phelps transported to Van Diemens Land on the Lord Aukland in 1844.

This is the best lead that I have for my ancestor!

Best of all, the description bears a resemblance to the only photograph we have of George.

was there any mention of any other Phelps' boys involved? Or maybe of any Hawker boys? It is thought that George came to Australia with a brother, but we have no evidence for this.

David

The only clue in the Gaol Records was the next entry in the ledger that appears to show George had at least one accomplice, namely James WIILIAMS aged 19. But his sentence of only 18 months seems to make George PHELPS the "main man" in this crime!

David D

Hi,

I have been searching for the Parents of Henry PHELPS b. Little Gorsley, Aston Ingham m. Maria SPARKES 11 oct 1857 in Ruardean.

The only one I could find is Joseph Phelps and Elizabeth?? by the census of 1851 (the only Census I can find joseph on!!) he was born in 1795, but he does not know where(could he be the joseph from Kempley?)There is a marriage in Walford to Elizabeth DEW in 1811 but again going by the 1851 census she would only be about 10?

Perhaps Joseph was married previously? hence the big age gap.

Maria SPARKES parents are the same, William SPARKES and Maria?? apear from nowhere......Ag Labs!!

If anyone has any Ideas where I could look next it would be much appreciated.

Thanks.

Finbar.

It

Year 1806
Month Oct
Day 5
Grooms Surname BLUNT
Grooms Forenames John
Grooms Age
Groom Condition [not stated]
Grooms Occupation
Grooms Residence Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms Fathers Surname
Grooms Fathers Forenames
Grooms Fathers Occupation
Brides Surname WATKINS
Brides Forenames Hannah
Brides Age
Brides Condition [not stated]
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence Hundred of St Briavels
Brides Fathers Surname
Brides Fathers Forenames
Brides Fathers Occupation
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns [not stated]
Signature or Mark Both mark
Witness 1 Sarah Baylis
Witness 2 [illegible] Aldridge
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister H P Jones
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes This entry is very feint
Register Reference P220 IN 1/6
Page Number
Parish Chapel Mitcheldean

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