Thanks for that Mike !

Interesting John was "in fact" born in 1881. ???

Seeing as Alice's father was a baker, and John was a waggoner, quite possibly working for his father who was a miller, it seems reasonable to think the couple met as a result of their parent's work.

Despite several searches struggling to definitely find John, or Edwin, in the earlier Censuses, locally or elsewhere.
???

However searching Lilian Hunt, witness at his wedding, I eventually find this record which seems relevant, our John's daughter ? (presumably from his previous marriage).

Record_ID: 40045
Entry_Number: 51
Year: 1932
Month: Feb
Day: 20
Grooms_Surname: MORRIS
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: 28
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Bus Driver
Grooms_Residence: Usk [?]
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Morris
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Fred
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: HUNT
Brides_Forenames: Lillian Beatrice
Brides_Age: 25
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Coleford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hunt
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Miller
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: Alexander Hook
Witness_2: J Hunt
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: C. Hubert of Fasson Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Groom's father Deceased
Notes:
Register_Reference: P93/1 IN 1/23
Page_Number: 26
Parish_Chapel: Coleford
Soundex_Groom: M620
Soundex_Bride: H530

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1932
Hunt Lillian B Morris Monmouth 11a 30
Morris Thomas Hunt Monmouth 11a 30

So Lillian was born abt 1907.

GlosBMD has;
Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
HUNT Lilian Beatrice DAVIES 1906 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 62 366
HUNT Lilian Beatrice MOORE 1906 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 62 366

FamilySearch gives;

1911 Newland, Coleford, Monmouthshire, England UK
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Hunt Head M 29 Flour miller. Filkins Oxford, Oxfordshire
Jane Hunt Wife F 34 Redbrook, Gloucestershire
Lillian Hunt Daughter F 5 school. Redbrook, Gloucestershire
Arthur Hunt Son M 0 Redbrook, Gloucestershire
May Moore Ste Daughter F 15 Redbrook, Gloucestershire

Which helpfully confirms the GlosBMD record which showed Jane Hunt nee Davies was previously married to a Moore.

Despite age discrepancy this looks relevant;

Record_ID: 396858
Entry_Number: 306
Year: 1909
Month: Apr
Day: 18
Parents_Surname: HUNT
Child_Forenames: Arthur John
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Upper Redbrook
Occupation: Miller
Officiating_Minister: Ranulph H Evered Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/24
Page_Number: 39
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: H530

Record_ID: 396822
Entry_Number: 270
Year: 1906
Month: Mar
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: HUNT
Child_Forenames: Lilian Beatrice
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Upper Redbrook
Occupation: Miller
Officiating_Minister: Ranulph H Evered Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: at Redbrook Church
Notes: memo in left hand margin
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/24
Page_Number: 34
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: H530

Record_ID: 396930
Entry_Number: 378
Year: 1914
Month: Jun
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: HUNT
Child_Forenames: Dorothy Margaret
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Upper Redbrook
Occupation: Warehouseman
Officiating_Minister: Ranulph H Evered Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: at Redbrook Church
Notes: memo in left hand margin
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/24
Page_Number: 48
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: H530

Not a miller anymore ?.

Struggling to find any later records for Dorothy.
??

Record_ID: 151884
Entry_Number: 24
Year: 1931
Month: Dec
Day: 5
Grooms_Surname: HUNT
Grooms_Forenames: Arthur John
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Tinplate Worker
Grooms_Residence: Redbrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Hunt
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miller
Brides_Surname: HUNT
Brides_Forenames: Mabel Agnes
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Redbrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hunt
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Haulier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Francis James Simmonds
Witness_2: Olive May Trotter
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John Griffin Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Bride's father deceased
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/15
Page_Number: 12
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: H530
Soundex_Bride: H530

Is Mabel a cousin etc given her father's trade etc ?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1913
Hunt Mabel A Beach Monmouth 11a 50

Her possible parents ?

Record ID 138795
Entry Number
Year 1894
Month Aug
Day 18
Grooms Surname HUNT
Grooms Forenames Samuel
Grooms Age 21
Groom Condition bachelor
Grooms Occupation labourer
Grooms Residence Weirhead St Monmouth
Grooms Fathers Surname Hunt
Grooms Fathers Forenames James
Grooms Fathers Occupation farmer
Brides Surname BEACH
Brides Forenames Isabella Maria
Brides Age 23
Brides Condition spinster
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence Buckholt
Brides Fathers Surname Beach
Brides Fathers Forenames James
Brides Fathers Occupation labourer
Licence or Banns banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark both sign
Witness 1 Wm Beach
Witness 2 Annie Mason
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference
Page Number
Parish Chapel Monmouth
Soundex Groom H530
Soundex Bride B200

Searching Mary Jane Davies' earlier marriage to a Moore, a possible ?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1896
Davies Mary Jane Monmouth 11a 57
Moore Theophilus Monmouth 11a 57

(cont)

re: William Wilfred Stanley BROOKS

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Fod Records

Gloucester Journal Newspaper Report

Place of Marriage: Monmouth

8 April 1919

William Wilfred Stanley BROOKS

residence: Drybrook near Ellwood

father: Frederick BROOKS

Florence Ella Dorothy MORGAN

residence: Holly Dean, Mile End, near Coleford

father: Frederick MORGAN

Memoranda: The groom is the eldest son and the bride is the only daughter.

Thanks MPG for lookingup George in the 1939, and so tracing his other records.
J

I believe Elizabeth was born 1857. This is her registration from Glos BMD:
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
TAYLOR Elizabeth Jane JAMES 1857 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 13 95

and FreeBMD:
Births Sep 1857
Taylor Elizabeth Jane Monmouth 11a 22

Mike

Other trees on Ancestry have his death in 1871 in Pontypool. There is such a record but no real evidence it's him other than an age match.

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Peter

In the 1881 Prison Hospital record Hannah Maria gives her age as 33 (1848). She gives her birthplace as Gloucestershire, Becxford(?). On the same page is a Caroline TAYLOR, aged 34, who gives the same birthplace.

Glos BMD

TAYLOR, Hannah Maria, Mother’s former Name WEAVER, 1847, Cheltenham, Winchcombe, Cleeve
TAYLOR, Caroline, Mother’s former Name WEAVER, 1843, Cheltenham, Winchcombe, Cleeve

GR 1851 Census, Gloucestershire, Beckford (now in Worcestershire, I think)

Thomas TAYLOR, Head, Mar, 54, Carrier, Gloucester, Bishops Cleeve
Ann Wife, Mar, 48, Gloucester, Forthampton
William, Son, Un, 25, Joiner, Gloucester, Beckford
John, Son, Un, 22, Ag Lab, Gloucester, Beckford
Charles, Son, Un, 18, Ag Lab, , Gloucester, Beckford
Mary, Daur, Un, 17, Gloucester, Beckford
Jane, Daur, Un, 16, Gloucester, Beckford
Julia, Daur, Un, 13, Gloucester, Beckford
Emma, Daur, Un, 11, Gloucester, Beckford
Sophia, Daur, Un, 9, Gloucester, Beckford
Caroline, Daur, 7, Gloucester, Beckford
Hannah, Daur, 4, Gloucester, Beckford
Thomas, Grandson, 3, London

GR 1861 Census, Malthouse, Ashton under Hill, Worcs,
Thomas TAYLOR Head, Mar, 65, Butcher, Gloucester, Bishops Cleeve
Ann, Wife, Mar, 58, Gloucester, Forthampton
John, Son, Un, 32, Butcher, Gloucester, Beckford
Charles R, Son, Un, 29, Ag Lab, Gloucester, Beckford
Hannah M, Daur, Un, 14, Gloucester, Beckford

This suggests that the Hannah Maria in the Hospital may not be the daughter of Henry Taylor.

Hi Peter,
thanks for clarifying things, sorry for my slow reply.
Also for reminding me of your earlier post re the other childrens' birthdates. I've searched FreeBMD but cannot find any likely records at all for any of them within the UK, I presume the spent most of their lives in S.A.
J

Hi, i am the great grandson of Elizabeth Jane Taylor, my grandfather George Benjamin Taylor Duncan was born in Rosehearty Scotland but baptised in Coleford. His brothers and sisters were born in Barberton South Africa. In my father records i found Nurse Heads obituary so it confirms they were sisters. Her Grave in South Africa gives her age at death 2/7/1895 as 37 and 20 days. So that would make it 11/12 June 1858.

I was wondering what happened to her brother Benjamin Taylor and why he died so young? Also i did visit coleford last year to try and find the graves of Anne and Henry but were unable to locate them. I am wondering if they have gravestones.

Regards
Gary Duncan

Hi again Jan,
thanks for your additional information, very helpful and interesting. I'm especially pleased you say how following FH you learn about other aspects of our history we didn't know about. I agree wholeheartedly, and think it a shame many folk just want to quickly chase names and dates as far back in time as possible. Indeed this is why my own family trees are till far from completion, as I find myself going sideways researching the bigger picture rather than back in time...
One subject that's always interested me since childhood is marine history, and since moving to West London in the mid 1980s messing about in boats, both on the Thames and elsewhere, has been a big part of my life. Yet I'm ashamed to say your first mention of the sinking of the Princess Alice passed under my radar. I've just been reminding myself of this event, still Britain's worst disaster on inland waters with upwards of 700 lives lost ! At least a lot was learnt from the subsequent inquiries with many positive actions moving forward.... perhaps Alfred's continued use of the name Alice was a deliberate effort on his part to commemorate not just his wife but also the ship and all the other poor souls lost that evening. It's good to see the name Alfred was also continued in your family.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_SS_Princess_Alice

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Regarding searching the graves of your ancestors, we posted Hannah's burial record earlier, at Staunton. (The one twixt Monmouth & Coleford, not to be confused with Staunton near Corse on the far northeast of the Forest).

Record_ID: 337404
Entry_Number: 647
Year: 1935
Month: Dec
Day: 31
Surname: MORGAN
Forenames: Hannah Maria
Residence: Staunton Coleford Glos
Age_at_death: 75 years
Officiating_Minister: L W E Aylmer Kelly Asst Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC310 1/11
Page_No: 81
Parish_Chapel: Staunton
Soundex: M625

Staunton church isn't included within the Memorial Inscriptions section of this site.

Searching for prior mentions of this Church within this forum gives these notes from 2017, happily all the links still work, hopefully it will help you.

"Re the burials in Staunton All Saints, I suggest you contact the church well in advance of your visit, hopefully they will be able to assist in locating the grave. Also don't forget that sadly many Churches lock their doors these days unless expecting visitors.
https://www.achurchnearyou.com/staunton-all-saints/

also http://churchdb.gukutils.org.uk/GLS463.php

For background info see
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/StauntonColeford/Gaz1868

You might consider buying this GFHS cd in advance, it might help, unless of course any other forum members already have it and can please do a lookup for you."
http://gfhs.org.uk/products-page/cddvd/monumental-inscription-2003-2/

Online photos and Streetview images suggest the graveyard is well-kept and in good upkeep, so hopefully you can find the grave. I see there are other Morgans there too, I don't know if relations or not. Some of them have been named on the Find-a-Grave site page, but sadly not yours, yet.
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2612991/all-saints-churchyard

Staunton is also the final resting place of world-famous engineer and metallurgist David Mushet, who along with his son Robert Forrester Mushet performed important pioneering work in steel-making at the Whitecliff and Darkhill ironworks, I see mentions of the Morgan name ? in these pages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mushet

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A George Morgan, Blacksmith, is listed in this Staunton Trade Directory from 1927, a possible relative, perhaps ?
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cbennett/genealogy/staunton1927.htm

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As posted earlier here is Alfred Head's burial record, at Coleford Cemetery.

Record_ID: 77975
Entry_Number: 2954
Year: 1928
Month: Jan
Day: 12
Surname: HEAD
Forenames: Alfred
Residence: Retired Baker
Age_at_death: 87
Officiating_Minister: Rev[eren]d C H M Fasson
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) 33 Newland St[reet] Coleford (2) [not stated] (3) CC 18 (4) Consecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25 / 204 / 30
Page_No: 47
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery
Soundex: H300

Record_ID: 75812
Entry_Number: 808
Year: 1885
Month: Jan
Day: 4
Surname: HEAD
Forenames: Alfred and James
Residence: Son of Alfred Head and Hannah his wife
Age_at_death: 2
Officiating_Minister: Thomas Williams
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Coleford (2) South Div'n 1/2 Adults Gr (3) F 32 west (4) Unconsecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25/204/2
Page_No: 41
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery
Soundex: H300

Sadly this cemetery doesn't seem to be in the aforementioned GFHS cd.

More Cemetery info here, which helpfully advises we have a plan on this FoDFHT website.
http://churchdb.gukutils.org.uk/GLS152.php

For plan etc see
https://forest-of-dean.net/downloads/Miscellaneous/Coleford_Cemetery_Guide.pdf
https://forest-of-dean.net/downloads/Miscellaneous/Coleford_Cemetery_Plan.pdf

Also see https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/1972386/coleford-cemetery

Hopefully the Memoranda and possibly Register Reference details within the PRs will help locate the graves within the cemetery.

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Re daughter Alice's final resting place, altho we did post her marriage to Edwin Hunt, that line needs further research...

speak again later, thanks again, Jeff.