by faymaree, (6906 days ago)
Thomas Symonds was a witness to My 2xg grandfather and grandmothers marriage in Dymock in 1848. Does anyone have anyone by this name in their family tree who might fit the time and place, as I am trying to trace more of my gg grandfathers background.
by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, (6906 days ago) @ faymaree
one to consider
1891 Castle Tump
Thomas Symonds abt 1807 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Head Dymock, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Symonds abt 1815 Hilsley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Dymock, Gloucestershire
1861
Thomas Symons abt 1807 Staunton, Worcestershire, England Head Dymock, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Symons abt 1817 Honbury, Gloucestershire, England Wife Dymock, Gloucestershire
John Symons abt 1842 Framton, Gloucestershire, England Son Dymock, Gloucestershire
Eliza Symons abt 1848 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Dymock, Gloucestershire
Charles Symons abt 1852 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Son Dymock, Gloucestershire
Edith Symons abt 1854 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Dymock, Gloucestershire
Thomas Symons abt 1856 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Son Dymock, Gloucestershire
1851 Botloes Green
Thomas Symonds abt 1818 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Head Newent Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Symonds abt 1823 Hilsley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newent Gloucestershire
Eliza Symonds abt 1849 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newent Gloucestershire
Henry Symonds abt 1843 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Son Newent Gloucestershire
John Symonds abt 1840 Trampton, Gloucestershire, England Son Newent Gloucestershire
Rose Ellen Symonds abt 1835 Hilsley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newent Gloucestershire
{could this be Frampton and Hildesley ?}
Year 1849
Month Mar
Day 3
Parents Surname SYMONDS[sic]
Child Forename(s) Eliza
Father's Forename(s) Thomas
Mother's Forename(s) Eliza
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Botloes Green
Occupation Labourer
Officiating Minister H. L Parry
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P225 IN 1/6
Page No 53
Parish/Chapel Newent
Year 1844
Month Sep
Day 8
Parents Surname SYMMONDS
Child Forename(s) Henry Edwin
Father's Forename(s) Thomas
Mother's Forename(s) Elizabeth
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Newent
Occupation Labourer
Officiating Minister Edm. Ah. Dean
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P225 IN 1/6
Page No 2
Parish/Chapel Newent
not their marriage
Year 1835
Month Jun
Day 13
Groom Surname SYMONDS
Groom Forename(s) Thomas
Groom Age at Marriage
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession
Groom Residence Dymock
Groom Father's Surname
Groom Father's Forename(s)
Groom Father's Rank or Profession
Bride Surname TYLER
Bride Forename(s) Eliza
Bride Age at Marriage
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession
Bride Residence Dymock
Bride Father's Surname
Bride Father's Forename(s)
Bride Father's Rank or Profession
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of banns
Signature or Mark He marks she signs
Witness 1 Mark of William Lewis
Witness 2 Mark of Elizabeth Symmonds
Other witnesses
Officiating Minister J Simons
Event type Marriage
Memoranda
Transcriber's Notes
Register Reference P125 IN 1/13
Page No 66
Parish/Chapel Dymock
by birks, (4509 days ago) @ slowhands
I am looking for the marriage details for a Thomas Symonds and Eliza (Tyler?)
Listed on the 1841 census as living Bromsberrow Heath Dymock.
married Dymock Parish Church?
Grateful for any info.
by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, (4509 days ago) @ birks
I am looking for the marriage details for a Thomas Symonds and Eliza (Tyler?)
Listed on the 1841 census as living Bromsberrow Heath Dymock.married Dymock Parish Church?
Grateful for any info.
Year: 1835
Month: Jun
Day: 13
Grooms_Surname: SYMONDS
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Dymock
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: TYLER
Brides_Forenames: Eliza
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Dymock
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: Mark of William Lewis
Witness_2: Mark of Elizabeth Symmonds
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J Simons
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P125 IN 1/13
Page_Number: 66
Parish_Chapel: Dymock
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
by Jefff, West London, Middlesex, (4509 days ago) @ slowhands
Hi birks and welcome,
searching this forum gives this prior related thread
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=5506
by birks, (4509 days ago) @ slowhands
Amazing what a quick response!
Do you have details of Eliza Tylers parent names?
I think she was born in Ledbury.
Hi,
what is Eliza's age/birthdate according to the 1841 Census ?.
I ask as according to the 1851 (see post above) she was born Hillsley, Glos abt 1823, however I suspect the 1841 differs slightly.
I presume it doesn't give any clues wrt her parents, presumably she's left home and is working ?.
The only Hillsley I know is some way from Ledbury, t'toher side of Gloucestershire across the Severn and south of Stroud towards Swindon !.
??
Thanks.
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PS Using this site's 1841 Census search I'm not sure but I THINK there's only one TYLER household in Dymock, namely:
1841 Census Search Results
Surname First Name Age Place Box Piece Folio
TYLER Elizabeth 17 DYMOCK 1 350/6 34 (so born abt 1824)
TYLER Hannah 9 DYMOCK 1 350/6 34
TYLER Harriet 2 DYMOCK 1 350/6 34
TYLER Maria 6 DYMOCK 1 350/6 34
TYLER Mary 13 DYMOCK 1 350/6 34
TYLER Samuel 50 DYMOCK 1 350/6 34
TYLER Sarah 40 DYMOCK 1 350/6 34
Which SUGGESTS Eliza's parents are Samuel(b1791) & Sarah (b1801) ??
Hi,
She is down as age 25 born 1816 on the 1841 census.
Thanks.
Ummm, that was unexpected !?
Please can you advise if she is with her family during the 1841 Census, I presume not ?.
As you can see from my "PS" on the above post it seems she is NOT the Eliza I found in 1841 Dymock, as you probably know Elizabeth/Eliza was a VERY popular name then !. Sadly I don't have full Census access to hand, sorry.
Confusing.
There are a few Symonds in Dymock!
The 1841 Census reads
Thomas Symonds age 30 born 1811
Eliza Symonds age 25 born 1816
John Symonds age 9 born 1832
Mary Symonds age 6 born 1835
Charles Symonds age 4 born 1837
Emma Symonds 1 born 1841.
Following the census records it seems Thomas and Eliza lived in Dymock forever! Well until the 1890s at least.
I have found a death record Eliza Symonds who died 1892 , Dymock Newent.
Yes it is confusing, and then you also need to consider the Symmons, Simmons, Simmonds etc etc...
Tick the Soundex box when you search and it REALLY gets scary ;-)
But don't worry this is the sort of challenge this forum "enjoys".
by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, (4509 days ago) @ birks
Hi,
She is down as age 25 born 1816 on the 1841 census.
Thanks.
I think that there is a different family who marry pre 1833
This one is Thomas/Eliza the other is Thomas/Elizabeth compare the 1861 census for both(!)
1881 Dymock Village
Thomas Symonds abt 1810 Eastnor, Hereford, England Head Dymock, Gloucestershire
Eliza Symonds abt 1811 Ledbury, Hereford, England Wife Dymock, Gloucestershire
1861 Dymock Village
Thos Symonds 49 Eastnor
Eliza Symonds 50 [Ledbury] Sedbury Hereford
Robert Symonds 8 Dymock
Year: 1853
Month: Jan
Day: 23
Parents_Surname: SYMONDS
Child_Forenames: Robert
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Eliza
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Still House
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P125 IN 1/24
Page_Number: 51
Parish_Chapel: Dymock
1841
Thomas Symond abt 1811 Dymock, Gloucestershire
Eliza Symond abt 1816 Dymock, Gloucestershire
John Symond abt 1833 Dymock, Gloucestershire
Mary Symond abt 1835 Dymock, Gloucestershire
Charles Symond abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Dymock, Gloucestershire
Emma Symond abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dymock, Gloucestershire
Year: 1840
Month: May
Day: 31
Parents_Surname: SYMONDS
Child_Forenames: Emma
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Eliza
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Bromsberrow Heath
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P125 IN 1/14
Page_Number: 170
Parish_Chapel: Dymock
Year: 1834
Month: Sep
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: SYMONDS
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Bromsberrow Heath
Occupation: Wheelwright
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Posthumous
Notes:
Register_Reference: P125 IN 1/14
Page_Number: 133
Parish_Chapel: Dymock
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
by Jefff, West London, Middlesex, (4509 days ago) @ slowhands
Hi Slowhands,
this one's too tricky for me to work out , so I'm going to duck out for a while !
In case you haven't noticed there is a Ledbury Baptism in the PRs which "fits";
Record_ID: 293031
Entry_Number: 348
Year: 1816
Month: Jan
Day: 20
Parents_Surname: TYLER
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Parkway
Occupation: Carpenter
Officiating_Minister: Ja[me]s Watts
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Daughter of
Notes:
Register_Reference: B092/8
Page_Number: 44
Parish_Chapel: Ledbury
Soundex: T460
Hope this helps, but of course feel free to ignore it :-)
ps PLEASE, at some convenient point can you advise whether I'm correct in my interpetation of this site's Census data, as per my earlier post. Many thanks and Happy Hunting !
Thank you.
That baptism seems to match the with her birth date and place of Birth on later census
Super sleuthing there!
Are there any parish marriage records for William and Sarah Tyler?, I can only go back to 1837 on the BMD search.
Hi again,
Assuming this IS the correct family (Slowhands is a far better sleuth than I am, I just search the PRs on this site's database), then if we use the very useful "advanced search" facility at bottom of the PR Search page we can find these Baptisms for our couple:
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=page&id=2
Record ID Year Parents Surname Child Forenames Fathers Forenames Mothers Forenames Mothers Surname Residence Occupation Parish Chapel
376289 1811 TYLER John, William & Sarah, Ledbury
292804 1814 TYLER Sarah, William & Sarah, Parkway, Labourer Ledbury
293031 1816 TYLER Elizabeth, William & Sarah, Parkway, Carpenter Ledbury
293254 1818 TYLER Hannah, William & Sarah, Parkway, Labourer Ledbury
293697 1822 TYLER Joseph, William & Sarah, Parkway, Labourer Ledbury
293981 1824 TYLER Esther, William & Sarah, Parkway, Carpenter Ledbury
Which suggests any marriage would be around 1810 or earlier ?
Now again use "advanced search" but for Marriages,
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=page&id=22
Search for ALL Marriages between "William T" and "Sara", so finding all with a "T" in the surname to allow for spelling variations. Of the 400+ results can re-sort them chronologically by clicking the column header, and then browse thro quickly to find what seems the most obvious hit, namely:
Record ID 66723
Entry Number 118
Year 1806
Month Oct
Day 27
Grooms Surname TILER
Grooms Forenames William
Grooms Age
Groom Condition Bachelor
Grooms Occupation
Grooms Residence of this parish
Grooms Fathers Surname
Grooms Fathers Forenames
Grooms Fathers Occupation
Brides Surname FLUCK
Brides Forenames Sarah
Brides Age
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence of this parish
Brides Fathers Surname
Brides Fathers Forenames
Brides Fathers Occupation
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark He signs she marks
Witness 1 Edward Greenus
Witness 2 Elizabeth Greenus
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister Charles Whatley rector
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes No dates of Banns
Register Reference AR90/5
Page Number 29
Parish Chapel Aston Ingham
In case you don't know the area Aston Ingham is only a few miles from Newent, a little further north to Ledbury.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HEF/AstonIngham/Gaz1868.html
ASSUMING ??? the groom is from Aston Ingham, and not from one of several adjoining parishes (it's a common name locally), this SEEMS like a possible hit:
Record_ID: 277178
Entry_Number: 458
Year: 1781
Month: Mar
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: TYLER
Child_Forenames: William
Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: W L Baker Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of born Feb 11
Notes: Any abbreviated forenames have been expanded to the full name
Register_Reference: AR90/2
Page_Number: 30
Parish_Chapel: Aston Ingham
Soundex: T460
Searching the less common bride's name in the Database gives this probable Baptism:
Record_ID: 277225
Entry_Number: 505
Year: 1785
Month: Jul
Day: 24
Parents_Surname: FLUCK
Child_Forenames: Sarah
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: W Lloyd Baker Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Daughter of
Notes:
Register_Reference: AR90/2
Page_Number: 32
Parish_Chapel: Aston Ingham
Soundex: F420
So she was abt 21 when marrying, a good fit.
I'm off now, don't know where in the world you are but its 1.30am in the UK, time for a beer and catchup on the cricket "high"lights... Suggest you keep plugging away searching the database, it's very easy once you get the hang of it. Any problems we'll try and help tommorrow.
Goodnight & happy hunting, Jeff
Brillant, thanks very much.
Im on the other side of the Severn Bridge and its 2.06 here!
Thanks again, much appreciated.
Hi jefff,
I have found the following information on Eliza Tyler.
Parents names are
George Tyler born Ledbury 1800
Death Ledbury, Herefordshire 1850 age 50.
Mothers name Mary Ann Bowkett born 1792 approx. Ledbury, Herefordshire,
Died Ledbury, Herefordshire 1876 age 82.
Daughter Eliza Tyler born Ledbury 1811, married Thomas Jas Symonds parish church Dymock 1835.
Residence
Eliza Symonds 1811 until death 1892 Dymock, Gloucestershire (age81).
Thomas Jas Symonds born Eastnor, Herefordshire 1807.
Residence until until 1891 Dymock.
Died Newent workhouse 1893 age 86.
I presume he may of lived in a tied cottage as he was a Ag.Labourer and when he got too old to work was turfed out!
by m p griffiths, (4499 days ago) @ birks
?
1841 Census, Ledbury
Bye Street
BOWKETT
William - 66 - Miller - all born in County
Frances - 56
John - 20
James - 15
Hannah -12
next door
George TYLER - 40 - Ag. Lab - all born in County
Mary - 30 c 1811
George HINS - 25 - Ag. Lab
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1861 Census, Ledbury
Brooms Green
Mary TYLER - W - 70 - born Ledbury
Sarah TYLER - daughter - unmarried - 34 - Nurse, born Hereford, Donnington
Ann KING - Daughter - Widow - 23 Governess - born Gloucester Dymock **
Mary A SYMONDS - Grand-daughter - 14 - Scholar, born Gloucester, Dymock
Frederick W MARTIN, Visitor, 5 - born Cheltenham
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1851 Census, Ledbury
Brooms Green - Donnington
Mary TYLER - Widow - 60? (age difficult to read) - Garden Labourer, born Ledbury, Herefordshire
William TYLER - son - 21, Groom born Donnington ****
Ann TYLER - daughter - 14 - born Dymock, Glos **
1841 Census, Ledbury
Brooms Green
TILER
Mary - 50
Emma - 20 (c1821)
William - 11 (all born in County) (c1830)
Jane - 7 - not born in County ***
Anne - 3 - not born in County
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Fod Records
Baptism at Ledbury - 30 June 1833
Jane TYLER
parents: James (occupation, Gardener) & Mary - residence: Dumock
Notes: Entry in side margin Baptisms solomnized in the Parish of Donnington & County of Hereford in 1833
and
Anne TYLER baptism at Ledbury - 3 Sept 1837 - James (Gardener) - residence Dymock and Mary
Notes: Copy of Donnington Register.
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Note: father's name James not George as per previous message from 'BIRKS'
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Fod Marriage at Ledbury 19 November 1833
George TYLER - Bachelor, residence: Ledbury
married: Mary Ann BOWKETT - Spinster, residence: Ledbury
by banns
mark of Richard Cotterell and Benjamin BOWKETT
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Fod Records - Baptism at Ledbury - 21 June 1829
William TYLER -
parents: James (Gardener) & Mary
Notes: Copy of Donnington Register
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On the Fod records James TYLER and Mary's earliest child appears 1811 Ledbury
i.e. Eliza TYLER - 24 March 1811 - parents James & Mary
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Fod Records
Marriage at Ledbury - 1 November 1810
James TYLER of this Parish
married
Mary CORBETT of this Parish
by banns
witnesses: mark of Ann TREHEM and mark of Thomas CORBETT
and James TYLER - burial at Ledbury - 14 October 1838
aged 58 (c1780)
by birks, (4499 days ago) @ m p griffiths
Thanks, I will have to look at this again,
Somebodies family tree doesn't seem to match up. Although the Thomas and Eliza Symonds bit did, serves me right for copying!
Thanks