Trying to find the family of Ellen Elizabeth Clements, born about 1872, father's name Joseph, a gardner.

The 1881 census has given me the following:

Joseph Clements abt 1840 Aston Cantlow, Worcestershire, England Head Dymock Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Clements abt 1843 Sullingto, Somerset, England Wife Dymock Gloucestershire
Charlotte Clements abt 1879 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Dymock Gloucestershire
Arthur Clements abt 1880 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Son Dymock Gloucestershire

No sign of Ellen Elizabeth, but then I found this, also from 1881...

William Catlin abt 1846 St George In The E, Middlesex, England Head Hamlet London
Hannah B. Catlin abt 1852 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Wife Hamlet London
Ellen E. Clements abt 1872 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Niece Hamlet London

Ellen was married to William Jones at St John's, Cinderford in February 1896, so if the London Ellen is Joseph & Elizabeth's daugher, she must have come home and met him at some point between 1881 and then.

Could someone with access kindly check the 1891 census and see if she's living in Dymock or London at that point?

Thanks,
Caroline Jones

1891
Thomas Spencer abt 1821 Preston, Gloucestershire, England Head Kempley Gloucestershire
Sarah A Spencer abt 1833 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Wife Kempley Gloucestershire
Ellen E Clements abt 1872 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Kempley Gloucestershire

1841
Thomas Clements abt 1791 Aston Cantlow Warwickshire
Charlotte Clements abt 1801 Warwickshire, England Aston Cantlow Warwickshire
Amelia Clements abt 1832 Warwickshire, England Aston Cantlow Warwickshire
Elizabeth Clements abt 1830 Warwickshire, England Aston Cantlow Warwickshire
James Clements abt 1821 Warwickshire, England Aston Cantlow Warwickshire
John Clements abt 1829 Warwickshire, England Aston Cantlow Warwickshire
Joseph Clements abt 1840 Warwickshire, England Aston Cantlow Warwickshire
Sarah Clements abt 1834 Warwickshire, England Aston Cantlow Warwickshire
Thomas Clements abt 1827 Warwickshire, England Aston Cantlow Warwickshire
William Clements abt 1826 Warwickshire, England Aston Cantlow Warwickshire
1851

1861
Joseph Clements abt 1840 Aston Cantlow, Warwickshire, England Servant Winslow Herefordshire

1871
Joseph Clements abt 1840 Astton Gantbur, Warwickshire, England Servant Dymock Gloucestershire

Name: Elizabeth Franks ??
Name: Joseph Clements
Year of Registration: 1877
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
DISTRICT: Bath
County: Avon, Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 1002

1891
Joseph Clements abt 1841 Aston Cantlow, Warwickshire, England Head Donnington Herefordshire
Elizabeth Clements abt 1843 Lullington, Somerset, England Wife Donnington Herefordshire
Charlotte E Clements abt 1879 Brooms Green, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Donnington Herefordshire
Joseph A Clements abt 1880 Brooms Green, Gloucestershire, England Son Donnington Herefordshire

1901
Joseph Clements abt 1840 Aston Cantlow, Warwickshire, England Head Eastnor Herefordshire
Elizabeth Clements abt 1843 Lullington Bath, Somerset, England Wife Eastnor Herefordshire
Joseph A Clements abt 1880 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Son Eastnor Herefordshire

Thanks slowhands - still none the wiser whether that's the right set of Clementses!

I'm erring on the side of it not being, since
a) why would Ellen return from London and live with her grandparents?
b) from a bit of digging in the parish record transcriptions, it looks like that Joseph's wife's maiden name was Parry, not Spencer and
c) I looked up the aunt's (Hannah B) marriage and her maiden name was Culverhouse. Which doesn't fit with Clements, Parry or Spencer!

I'm confused now - think it's birth certificate time...

Caroline

I would like any information anyone may have of William H Jones born Kempley 1871 son of John and Elizabeth maiden name possibly Phillips. He married Ellen Elizabeth Clements at St Johns Cinderford 22nd Feb 1894 She was the daughter of Joseph Clements and Ellen nee Parry married at Dymock 4th May 1871 Sadly she died as a result of giving birth to twins 15th Nov 1871 Ellen E above and Clarinda Salina who died in 1872.

In the 1881 census Ellen E Clements aged 9 was living with William and Hannah B Catlin at Jubilee St Mile End Old Town London Middlesex. In 1891 she was back living in Dymock with her grandparents Thomas and Sarah Ann Spencer it was a second marriage for Sarah Ann her first marriage was to Henry Parry in about 1848/9 her maiden name was Jones.

I know nothing of William H Jones and Ellen after there marriage did they have children live locally any news would be welcome.

Thanks Winslow Boy.

(for Starters) FOD records

Marriage at Cinderford St John 22 February 1896 (not 1894 as per your message)

William Henry JONES , age 25 Bachelor, Farmer, residence : Cindeford

father: Jones JONES (Farmer)

married

Ellen Elizabeth CLEMENTS - age 24 Spinster, residence: Cinderford

father: Joseph CLEMENTS (Gardener)

by banns

witnesses; John Samuel JONES/Annie BALDWIN

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Looking at Gloucestershirebdm for JONES - mother's maiden name: CLEMENTS

two possibilities:

Sarah Ann 1897 - Redmarley, and William Henry - 1896 Redmarley

and

FOD records

Baptism at Tibberton - 30 May 1896

William Henry JONES, father: William Henry - mother Ellen Elizabeth

residence; Kempley, Farmer

Year: 1870
Month: Jun
Day: 19
Parents_Surname: JONES
Child_Forenames: William John
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Priest House
Occupation: Bailiff
Officiating_Minister: Arthur J. Street
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P188 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 63
Parish_Chapel: Kempley

1871
John Jones 34 Farmer Dymock
Elizabeth Jones 38 Dymock
John Jones 3 Kempley
William Jones 11 Months Kempley
Mark Lane 70

1881
John Jones abt 1837 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Head Tibberton, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Jones abt 1834 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Wife Tibberton, Gloucestershire
John S. Jones abt 1868 Kemply, Gloucestershire, England Son Tibberton, Gloucestershire
William H. Jones abt 1871 Kemply, Gloucestershire, England Son Tibberton, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Jones abt 1873 Kemply, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Tibberton, Gloucestershire
Sarah Jones abt 1878 Linton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Tibberton, Gloucestershire

1891
Sidney W Warren abt 1862 Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire
Susan Warren abt 1866 Bulley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire
Christopher Warren abt 1887 Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire
Nora Ellen Warren abt 1890 Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire
William Jones abt 1871 Tibberton, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire

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