I am looking for information on the Hulin's from St Briavel's. I would be very grateful for any information other members could give me. My great grandfather was Isaac (1840-1901) and I believe his father was also Isaac (1791-1875)but I don't know beyond that.

Hi, I have lots of Hulin's on my tree from the st. Briavels area but as of yet no Isaac's. Do you have anymore details? I will have a look and see what I can find for you!

Jo x

Ok so Isaac 1840-1901,

Record_ID: 72856
Entry_Number: 80
Year: 1840
Month: Mar
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: HULIN
Child_Forenames: Isaac
Fathers_Forenames: Isaac
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Hudnalls
Occupation: Mason
Officiating_Minister: J.G.Smythies
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/6

A marriage for Isaac and Mary,

Record_ID: 26783
Entry_Number: 13
Year: 1814
Month: May
Day: 31
Grooms_Surname: HULIN
Grooms_Forenames: Isaac
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Saint Briavels in the County & Diocese of Gloucest
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: MOLTON
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Saint Briavels in the County & Diocese of Gloucest
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Sarah Lea
Witness_2: Orpheus Hulin
Other_Witnesses: Wm. Hulin Clark

The witnesses Orpheus Hulin and Sarah Lea are my 4xG Grandparents. I dont think that Isaac could be the brother of Orpheus (Orpehus had a sibling William born in 1791) but maybe a cousin? You never know!

Jo x

Isaac HULIN is my great great grandfather.

His daughter Sophia born 1836 married John THOMAS born 1825.

Ann THOMAS born 1874 the daughter of John and Sophia is my grandmother.

I have most of the HULIN family tree and quite a lot of information regarding Isaac HULIN

I would very much like to find out the parents of Mary MOULTON who married Isaac HULIN.

Austyn Williams

Hi Jo
Thanks so much for this which is really helpful. Fascinated to hear that your 4xG Grandparents were the witnesses. As you say it would be interesting to try and work out how Isaac and Orpheus were related. As a matter of interest have you visited St Briavel's? I have seen several references on the ancestry websites of a Donald Hulin who lives in Cleveden near Bristol. Apparently he has traced the Hulins back to the 1200's. Have you also heard of him?
Regards Caroline

Dear Austyn
Thanks so much for your reply to my message. Very interested to hear that Isaac senior was your great great grandfather also. Do you know if there were other siblings beside Sophia and Isaac (junior), my great grandfather? I would be fascinated to know more about Isaac and about his parents and grandparents. Any information you have would be very gratefully received. Equally if I find anything out about Mary Moulton I will pass it on. Thanks again.
Regards
Caroline

1841 Census Hudnalls, St Briavels

HULIN

Isaac - 45 - Mason all born in County
Mary - 40 (nee MOLTON/MOULTON)
Emma - 20
Charles - 8
Philip 6
Sofia - 4
Isaac - 1 - Gloucestershire BDM - Mother's maiden name MOULTON

1851 Census, St Briavels

HULIN

Isaac - 57 - Mason - all born St Briavels
Mary - 54 (c1797)
Sophia - 16
Isaac - 12

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Is is very useful sometimes to search for witnesses and find family groups - had a very quick look and this is one example...

Marriage at St Briavels - 3 October 1818

Robert WOODWARD - Bachelor of St Briavels

married

Ann MOULTON - Spinster of St Briavels

by banns

witnesses: Isaac HULIN and Wm. Hulin CLARK

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and again at St Briavels

Anselm MOULTON - 14 October 1817, Widower, married Sarah WATKINS, witnesses Isaac HULIN and William Hulin CLARK.

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so far....

Mary MOULTON - married Isaac HULIN (marriage 1814)
Anselm MOULTON - Isaac HULIN witness (marriage 1817)
Ann MOULTON - Isaac HULIN witness (marriage 1818)

I think William Hulin CLARK is really William HULIN parish Clerk.

This is what I have on Isaac the elder.

Name Isaac HULIN male 1331
Father George HULIN 1257
Mother Elizabeth HULIN née GEORGE 1330
Occupation Mason
Born at St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England on 1791
Baptised at on
Married to Mary HULIN née MOULTON 1337
Married at St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England on 31 May 1814
Died at St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England on 06 Jun 1875
Cause of Death
Buried at St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England on 10 Jun 1875
Children Eliza (1815-dec.)
Mary Ann (1818-dec.)
Emma (1820-dec.)
George (1823-1902)
Sarah (1826-1911)
Isaac (1829-1831)
Charles (1832-1898)
Philip (1834-1896)
Sophia (1837-1875)
Isaac (1840-1901)

Siblings George (1795-1796)
Jane (1799-1874)
Elizabeth (1806-dec.)
Amelia (1810-1895)

Historical Notes:

Record_ID: 26783
Entry Number: 13
Year: 1814
Month: May
Day: 31
Groom Surname: HULIN
Groom Forenames: Isaac
Groom Age at Marriage:
Groom condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession:
Groom Residence: Saint Briavels in the County & Diocese of Gloucest
Groom Father's Surname:
Groom Father's Forenames:
Groom Father's Rank or Profession:
Bride Surname: MOLTON
Bride Forenames: Mary
Bride Age at Marriage:
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession:
Bride Residence: Saint Briavels in the County & Diocese of Gloucest
Bride Father's Surname:
Bride Father's Forenames:
Bride Father's Rank or Profession:
Licence or Banns: Banns
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: He signs she marks
Witness 1: Sarah Lea
Witness 2: Orpheus Hulin
Other witnesses: Wm. Hulin Clark
Officiating Minister: Thos. Thomas Curate
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P278 IN 1/10
Page No: 5
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels
Soundex Groom: H450
Soundex Bride: M435

Transcript Details

Record_ID: 66041
Entry_Number: 262
Year: 1875
Month: Jun
Day: 10
Surname: HULIN
Forenames: Isaac
Residence: S. Briavels
Age_at_death: 83
Officiating_Minister: H. L. Parry Vicar of Clearwell
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/20
Page_No: 33
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels
Soundex: H450

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941

Name: Isaac Hulin
Probate Date: 5 Jul 1875
Death Date: 6 Jun 1875
Death Place: Gloucestershire, England
Registry: Principal Registry

HULIN Isaac - Effects under £ 50. 5 July 1875 The Will with a Codicil of Isaac Hulin late of the Parish of St Briavels in the County of Gloucester mason who died 6 June 1875 at St Briavels was proved at the Principal Registry by Isaac Hulin of St Briavels Mason the Son and Henry Adams of Brockweir Common in the Parish of Hewelsfield in the said County Labourer the Executors.

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941

In the 1841 Census of England and Wales Isaac & Mary Hulin were recorded as follows;

1841 Census - Hudnalls Extra Parochial, Lydney, Gloucestershire. HO 107/ 364.

Hudnalls

Isaac Hulin head of household, male aged 45, Mason, born in Gloucestershire;
Mary Hulin female aged 40, born in Gloucestershire;
Emma Hulin female aged 20, born in Gloucestershire;
Charles Hulin male aged 8, born in Gloucestershire;
Phillip Hulin male aged 6, born in Gloucestershire;
Sophia Hulin female aged 4, born in Gloucestershire;
Isaac Hulin male aged 1, born in Gloucestershire.
Peter Hazelby male aged 40, Male Servant, born in Gloucestershire.

In the 1851 Census of England and Wales Isaac & Mary Hulin were recorded as follows;

1851 Census - St Briavels, District 6c, Gloucestershire. HO 107/ 2443 - 663 - 6 - 36.

Isaac Hulin head of household, married male aged 57, mason, born St Briavels, Gloucestershire; his wife Mary Hulin married female aged 54, born St Briavels, Gloucestershire; Sophia Hulin unmarried daughter aged 15, born St Briavels, Gloucestershire; Philip Hulin unmarried son aged 16, Labourer, born St Briavels, Gloucestershire; and Isaac Hulin unmarried son aged 12, Labourer, born St Briavels, Gloucestershire.

In the 1861 Census of England and Wales Isaac & Mary Hulin were recorded as follows;

1861 Census - St Briavels, District 8, Gloucestershire. RG 9/ 3979 - 23 - 12 - 59.

(59) Eliza Burton head of household, widow aged 52, born St Briavels, Gloucestershire; and George Burton unmarried son aged 17, Labourer, born St Briavels, Gloucestershire.

In the previous household but one was found Isaac's sister Eliza Burton;

(61) Isaac Hulin head of household, married male aged 69, Mason, born St Briavels, Gloucestershire; his wife Mary Hulin married female aged 65, born St Briavels, Gloucestershire; Charles Hulin unmarried son aged 30, Mason, born St Briavels, Gloucestershire; Phillip Hulin unmarried son aged 27, Labourer, born St Briavels, Gloucestershire; Isaac Hulin unmarried son aged 21, Labourer, born St Briavels, Gloucestershire; and Thomas Osborn unmarried male servant aged 18, Labourer, born St Briavels, Gloucestershire.

If you would like more details please contact me at sluggan@gmail.com

Don Cameron.
Valentine 2280
New South Wales

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Don Cameron

The George in St. Briavels does some great food lol, I have been known to sample on a few occasions - I only live a few miles away in Lydney! My thinking on the matter is that Isaac was first cousin to my Orpehus. Orpheus's father was William and I am leaning towards his brother George being Isaac's father. I have George as being married to a Elizabeth George. I note that this appears to match with the info that Don Cameron gave.

Jo x

Hello Caroline

As a child I lived on St Briavels Common in a house that was probably built by the Hulin family and only a few hundred yards from the house where Isaac Hulin and his wife Mary, nee Moulton spent most of their married life.

I also know where Isaac lived when young but would need to send you a map.

Perhaps you could contact me by email

Austyn

Thank you for the information you sent regarding the HULIN/MOULTON family at St Briavels.

I was already aware that Isaac HULIN was a witness at the second marriage of Anselm MOULTON to Sarah WATKINS in 1817
but I did not know that Isaac was a witness to the wedding of Robert WOODWARD and Ann MOULTON in 1818.

In the will of Isaac HULIN senior, he left a sum of money, if my memory is correct £5.00, to Sarah MOULTON nee WATKINS who
was buried age 93 at St Briavels in 1883 her residence being stated as being within the Hudnalls which is where Isaac HULIN and his wife Mary HULIN nee MOULTON lived.

I think these three facts suggest that Anselm/Ansel MOULTON was the father of Mary HULIN nee MOULTON.

Anselm MOLTON son of Anselm MOLTON is recorded on the 1851 census as living in St Briavels with his wife Charlotte, but I cannot find any marriage to check if Isaac was a witness.

Thanks again for your help

Austyn WILLIAMS

Hi Jo

Great recommendation and I will definitely give it a try, as my husband and I plan to visit St Briavel's, hopefully before the year is out. All very new and revelatory to me as I hardly know the Forest of Dean, except that my Father, Hubert Hulin's sister Kit and her husband lived in Lydney and we spent Christmas there in 1954 when I was seven. From the little memory that I have, it is a beautiful area that you live in.

Well done on working out the relationship of Orpheus and Isaac (don't you just love the names they were given!) and it sounds very plausible that their Father were brothers.
Don Cameron has been most helpful with the information that he has sent.

Kind regards

Caroline

Hi
I have Henry Hulin b c 1874, bap 10 Mar 1875 St Briavels, son of Isaac Hulin c1839-1901 Bap 29 Mar 1840, who married 22 Nov 1863 St Briavels Leah Robbins. Henry married Emma Grail 1928 Bristol. Children Henry c1895, William c1898 & Leah May c1900. I think Henry is a Grandson to your Isaac & Mary.
Petrina

Hi

Thank you, this is helpful. So Henry would have been the older brother to my Grandfather Albert I believe. Am I right that the other siblings were William, Mary, Ada and May?

Regards
Caroline

Hi Caroline,
Yes Henry is an older brother to Albert. Also Isaac & Leah had another child Roda b c1873 & May is Leah May. I missed telling you another two Children for Henry & Emma. Frank b1893 at woolaston & Ada Maud b 1905 Llanhilleth Monmouthshire d 1985. Ada married Ernest Aldworth, Children Dorothy 1928-1928 & a son I won't name as b1929.
Petrina

Hi Petrina

This is great, thank you, and I can now fit another piece into the puzzle! You may already know this but Albert married Catherine (Kate)Helps and their children were (I think) Frederick, Catherine (Kit), Ivy and Hubert (my Father). Funnily enough it has been harder to find information about my Aunts and Uncles that it has about Great Grandfathers etc. This being due to the information not being passed on in the family and a lack of Census to cover that period.

Kind regards
Caroline

Caroline T. asked about Don Hulin from Clevedon. If you don't know how to contact him, send me a personal message. I don't believe he would want me to post his email address, but he is friendly toward inquiries within the family.

Hi Richard

Thank you very much for your reply to my posting and for offering to put me in touch with Don Hulin. In fact, Don Cameron in Australia kindly gave me his email a few weeks ago and Don has been very helpful. He has even helped me to get in touch with a first cousin.

Out of interest, do you descend from Isaac born 1791 or from another branch of the Hulins of St Briavels?.

With kind regards and thanks again for the offer of help.

Caroline

We don't know for sure who our British ancestors were, nor is our line connected by solid documentation to the first Hulin who appears in Virginia records. That's why we have started a Y-DNA project for the Hulin family. I posted about it on the thread here that's headed "Does our DNA come from our ancestors?" For reference, here is the project (but please look at my other recent post):

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Hul_n_/default.aspx

The Y-DNA signature that we have determined is virtually unique to our family in America has only four close parallels worldwide (among people who have tested to date, in public databases) -- and of those, the only two of British background come from elsewhere in the Severn River valley and estuary (several members of a Hall family, and one man named Brown). This is one reason we think the Forest of Dean Hulins are more likely to be our relatives than some other Hulins -- found elsewhere in England, but rather later.

The other families whose DNA is somewhat similar (they are probably in the same subclade of a much larger haplogroup) are from Poland and France, respectively. It appears that we are something of a remnant population that has been around NW Europe since the Bronze Age, roughly 4,500 years ago -- before which time, they came from somewhere farther east. This is still a bit speculative, but the science is progressing very rapidly now.

Genetic genealogy sometimes works at a level so deep, it is of more interest to anthropologists than to family historians. Be that as it may, it proves kinship in a way that traditional paper documentation cannot. And it breaks through the proverbial brick walls for people whose paper trail is interrupted by uncontrollable events (adoption, wartime destruction of records, and emigration, among many others). We would like to determine whether we have Forest of Dean ancestry, and we could prove that by matching our unusual baseline Y-DNA with someone from your Hulin family. (We didn't match Donald from Clevedon -- but so far nobody else in your family has tested to match him, either.)

Dear Caroline

I am an academic at King's College London and came across your thread on Isaac Hulin.

I am not related to the Hulins but carry out research on wealth and investment in 19th century Britain. Isaac Hulin, one of your ancestors, is in my database which is drawn largely from a series of Inland Revenue papers held at the National Archives (IR19 and IR26).

Isaac died with an estate worth about £387 comprising mostly real estate in St Briavels. He left his estate to his children, George Hulin, Emma Jones, Philip Hulin, Mary Ann Adams, Sarah Williams, Charles Hulin, Sophia Thomas, and Isaac Hulin. He was 83 when he died. His executor was

There is further information on his estate in the IR19 series at the National Archives - referenec IR19/152/3256. There is a list of his freehold property attached to the IR19 form.

I hope this helps fill one or two gaps.

As part of my research I have been looking at over 3000 individuals in the taxation records in which Isaac appears, and I will shortly be focussing more on a smaller group of individuals for which other records exist, notably personal papers relating to land, property and wealth. If you are aware of any papers that relate to Isaac of this nature, I'd be very interested to hear about them.

With regards

David Green
Professor of Historical Geography, King's College London
Email: david.r.green@kcl.ac.uk