Gladys E Lewis B 1914 Mothers Maiden Name Hart

Hi all

Here I am again on the trail of more elusive ancestors!

I wonder if anyone can help regarding the above. I believe Gladys my have been the daughter of George Charles Lewis and Rosa Hart, and an older sister of my Grandmother. George and Rosa married in Cheltenham in 1909 and had 2 children in Cinderford in 1909 and 1911, at some point between then and the end of the war they moved to Castleford in Yorkshire and their next known child was born there in 1918.

I know George went to war in 1914 and signed up in Cheltenham, and he was invalided out around Christmas of 1917 (information kindly supplied by posters on this site).

My Gran was the youngest of their children and was born in 1929 and has no idea who Gladys could be, if she is connected at all, however I just have a feeling that she may be one of ours! To me the gap of 1911 to 1918 between children just seems too long, even taking the war into consideration.

I can find no other mention of Gladys, no marriage or death, and I have ordered a copy of her birth certificate to satisfy my curiosity but I just hope someone can shed some light on her while I wait for that to arrive!

Once again, many thanks and Merry Christmas

Mel

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So trying to assemble the "bits"

1901
George Hart abt 1857 Cheltenham Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Rosa Hart abt 1857 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Hart abt 1883 Ruspidge Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith Hart abt 1887 Ruspidge Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Rosa Hart abt 1891 Ruspidge Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Hart abt 1893 Ruspidge Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Harry Hart abt 1900 Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1901
James Lewis abt 1861 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Martha Lewis abt 1866 Blakeney Hill, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ernest W Lewis J abt 1889 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
George C Lewis abt 1892 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Susan J Lewis abt 1894 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Lewis abt 1897 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ruth Lewis abt 1899 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

LEWIS George Charles
HART Rose
Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office
1909
14 172

Year: 1910
Month: Apr
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: LEWIS
Child_Forenames: Edith Rose Lilian
Fathers_Forenames: George Charles
Mothers_Forenames: Rose
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruspidge
Occupation: collier
Officiating_Minister: J W Cresswell curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 1
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

Year: 1911
Month: Apr
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: LEWIS
Child_Forenames: George James
Fathers_Forenames: George Charles
Mothers_Forenames: Rose
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruspidge
Occupation: miner
Officiating_Minister: F W Baldwin vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 12
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

1911
LEWIS GEORGE M 1892 19 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
LEWIS ROSE F 1891 20 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
LEWIS GEORGE M 1911 2 MONTH Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
LEWIS ROSE F 1910 1 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

the gap of 1911 to 1918 between children just seems too long, even taking the war into consideration.
Gladys looks a possible

Name: Gladys E Lewis
Mother's Maiden Name: Hart
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1914
Registration district: Cheltenham
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 735

LEWIS Gladys E
LEWIS LEWIS HART
1914 Cheltenham Cheltenham, Charlton Kings 7A 88

Alice M Lewis Oct-Nov-Dec 1918 Pontefract Yorkshire West Riding
Dorothy E Lewis Oct-Nov-Dec 1920 Pontefract Yorkshire West Riding
Ronald Lewis Jan-Feb-Mar 1923 Pontefract Yorkshire West Riding
Stanley Lewis Jul-Aug-Sep 1925 Pontefract Yorkshire
Clifford E Lewis Jul-Aug-Sep 1927 Pontefract Yorkshire
Irene Lewis Oct-Nov-Dec 1929 Pontefract Yorkshire West Riding

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This might be worth exploring some more....

Name: Gladye E Lewis
Spouse :William L B Bateman
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1934
Registration district: Cheltenham
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 1084

BATEMAN William
LEWIS Gladys
Cheltenham Cheltenham Register Office
1934
58 36

some children:-

BATEMAN Pamela J L BATEMAN BATEMAN LEWIS 1935 Cheltenham Cheltenham, Cheltenham 64A 198
BATEMAN Glennis P BATEMAN BATEMAN LEWIS 1936 Cheltenham Cheltenham, Cheltenham 65A 467
BATEMAN John R BATEMAN BATEMAN LEWIS 1936 Cheltenham Cheltenham, Cheltenham 65A 466

and possibly
Pauline A Bateman Jul-Aug-Sep 1939 Birmingham Warwickshire
Priscilla Bateman Apr-May-Jun 1941 Birmingham Warwickshire
Keith Bateman Jul-Aug-Sep 1942 Birmingham Warwickshire
BATEMAN Stephen BATEMAN BATEMAN LEWIS 1951 Cheltenham Cheltenham, Cheltenham North 9 471

Name: William Leonard B Bateman
Birth Date: 18 Feb 1911
Date of Registration: Dec 1990
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 32
Page: 369

Name: Gladys Ellen Bateman
Birth Date: 8 May 1914
Date of Registration: Dec 2003
Age at Death: 89
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Register number: F17B
District and Subdistrict: 061/1F
Entry number: 300

living in Birmingham B32 ......possibly Quinton area

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Hi slow hands and thanks for your info, most of it matches with mine apart from the family from the 1911 census, the info I have for my family is as follows

George and Rosa married 1909

Edith Rose Lillian (known as Rose) was born in 1909 - only a few weeks after her parents were married! Family legend has it that George's mother, Martha, stood outside the register office hurling abuse at Rosa after the wedding!

George James Lewis was born in 1911 - he went on to be a professional Rugby League player with Castleford, playing and winning at Wembley in 1935, and kicking off a family obsession with the game and the team! He played for over 20 years, his position of full back eventually being taken over by his younger brother Ron.

Anyhow, I digress! Both children were baptised at Cinderford St John, but I can't find them on the 1911 census, although I know they were still in or around the forest at this point, I just can't fathom why, if Edith does belong to them, she would have been left behind when they moved north, as I do know that quite a few of both the Lewis and Hart families moved at the same time.

Of course there is the possibility that the names and location are just coincidence, or, something that has occurred to me today, is that there may be another Lewis/Hart marriage that I'm not yet aware of.

On that note I'm going to try and check that out, but all help is gratefully received

Mel

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My apologies, the 1911 census info is correct! Just finished nights so my brain isn't quite functioning properly!

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There is another possible Lewis/Hart marriage on FreeBMD:

Marriages Jun 1900
Cornwall Minnie Cheltenham 6a 975
Davis Albert Sidney Cheltenham 6a 975
Hart Ellen Louisa B Cheltenham 6a 975
Lewis Charles Cheltenham 6a 975

I haven't been able to eliminate Albert & Minnie as a possible couple yet, but found these two on the 1901:

Address 38 Granville St
Civil Parish Cheltenham
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish St Pauls
Parliamentary Borough or Division Cheltenham
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Cheltenham
Administrative County Gloucestershire

Householder 1
Name Charles Lewis
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 22
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Art Metal Fitter
Employment Status
Where Born Glostershire Cheltenham
Language
Infirmity

Householder 2
Name Ellen Lewis
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 27
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Glostershire Cheltenham
Language
Infirmity

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LEWIS Charles
HART Ellen
Cheltenham Cheltenham Register Office
1900 32 150

1901 Granville St
Charles Lewis abt 1875 Sheltonker,[CHELTENHAM] Gloucestershire, England Head Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Ellen Lewis abt 1874 Sheltonker, Gloucestershire, England Wife Cheltenham, Gloucestershire

another possible child
LEWIS Dorothy M
LEWIS LEWIS HART 1903 Cheltenham Cheltenham, Cheltenham 12A 406

possible members of a family:-
1911
LEWIS CHARLES M 1879 32 Cheltenham Gloucestershire
LEWIS ELLEN F 1875 36 Cheltenham Gloucestershire
LEWIS WILLIAM CHARLES CECIL M 1902 9 Cheltenham Gloucestershire

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