Soldier William Frowen of The Kings Head Hotel Redbrook

T/4/094291 Driver William Frowen Royal Army Service Corps also as 26332 Private William Frowen West Riding Regiment. Later 407431 Private William Frowen 2nd Monmouthshire Territorials. This man does not seem to appear on any of the censuses he gives his date of birth as 4th April 1898. It seems he lied at his WWI medical and got in to the army under age but was found out when he was 19.
I believe from later documents that thgis was the correct date of birth.
On enlistment in 1915 he was apparently 19 years and 11 days old!
Any information on the family background or on this man in civilan life welcomed.

Who is at the Kings Head Hotel in 1915 ?

Thanks

Peter

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1871 Old Crow Lower Redbrook
Thomas Hudson 50
Mary A Hudson 48
Elijah Hudson 23
William Hudson 21
Thomas Hudson 20
John Hudson 19
George Hudson 16
Alfred Hudson 19
Emma Hudson 15
Drisilla Hudson 9
Enock Hudson 7

1881 Old Crow Lower Redbrook
Thomas Hudson abt 1820 Jeanett, Monmouth, Wales Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary A. Hudson abt 1823 Monmouth, Wales Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Elijah Hudson . abt 1848 Penalt, Monmouth, Wales Son Newland, Gloucestershire
William Hudson abt 1845 Penalt, Monmouth, Wales Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Thomas Hudson abt 1853 Penalt, Monmouth, Wales Son Newland, Gloucestershire
John Hudson abt 1855 Penalt, Monmouth, Wales Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Emma Hudson abt 1858 Penalt, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Alfred Hudson abt 1860 Penalt, Monmouth, Wales Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Drucilla Hudson abt 1863 Penalt, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Enoch Hudson abt 1865 Penalt, Monmouth, Wales Son Newland, Gloucestershire

Name: Emma Evans
Name: Alfred Hudson
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1884
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 75

Year: 1886
Month: Nov
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: EVANS
Child_Forenames: Reginald
Fathers_Forenames: Jacob
Mothers_Forenames: Eliza
Mothers_Surname: HULIN
Residence: Redbrook
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: George Lloyd Jones Ass[istan]t Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 290
Parish_Chapel: Newland

1891
Alfred Hudson abt 1859 Penalt, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Emma Hudson abt 1855 Penalt, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Reggie Evans abt 1886 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Nephew Newland, Gloucestershire

1901
Alfred Hudson abt 1861 Penalt, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Penallt, Monmouthshire
Emma Hudson abt 1860 Penalt, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Penallt, Monmouthshire
Reginald Evans abt 1887 St Brwals, Gloucestershire, England Nephew Penallt, Monmouthshire

1911 Lower Redbrook Cottage near the Kings Head Inn Lower Redbrook
Willie Frowen abt 1898 Boarder Newland, Monmouthshire at School

others with him :-
Alfred Hudson 51 Penalt Tin Worker
Emma Hudson 49 Penalt
Reginald Evans 24 St Brivals
Elizabeth Gleed 24 Penalt

Occupation Tinworker formerly Horse Driver on 1915 ASC Attestation
next of kin given as Alfred Frowen Valley Rd Redbrook {not Alfred HUDSON}

Possible Marriage

Name: William Frowen
Spouse : Elsie K Adams
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1926
Registration district: Newport Market
Inferred County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 289

Possible children

Hendall F Frowen Jul-Aug-Sep 1927 Newport M. Wales
Linda M Frowen Jul-Aug-Sep 1929 Newport M Wales

possible death

Name: William Frowen
Birth Date: abt 1898
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1964
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Newport
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 8c
Page: 184

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1851
William Frowen abt 1821 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Frowen abt 1827 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Alfred Frowen abt 1845 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Frowen abt 1850 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1861
William Krown abt 1821 Whitchurch, Herefordshire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Krown abt 1825 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Alfred Krown abt 1845 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Krown abt 1850 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Krown abt 1848 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Krown abt 1852 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Edward Krown abt 1854 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Krown abt 1856 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
James Krown abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1871
Alfred Frover 26
Eliza Frover 22
Emma J Frover 2
Elizabeth Frover 5 Months

1881
Alfred Frowen abt 1846 Berryhill, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Eliza Frowen abt 1849 Scowles, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Emma Jane Frowen abt 1869 Scowles, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Frowen abt 1871 Scowles, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Ellen Frowen abt 1873 Scowles, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Albert Edward Frowen abt 1874 Scowles, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
William Henry Frowen abt 1876 Scowles, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
John Frowen abt 1878 Scowles, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Charles Robert Frowen abt 1880 Scowles, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

1891 Five Acres
Alfred Frowen abt 1845 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Frowen abt 1849 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma J Powell abt 1869 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Frowen abt 1871 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Albert E Frowen abt 1874 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Wm H Frowen abt 1876 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
John Frowen abt 1878 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Charles R Frowen abt 1880 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas James Frowen abt 1883 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sidney Fred Frowen abt 1885 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Frowen abt 1886 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Bertie George Frowen abt 1889 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Frowen abt 1891 Monnow, Monmouthshire, Wales Grandson West Dean, Gloucestershire

1901 Berry Hill
Eliza Frowen abt 1849 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Gloucestershire

1901 Berry Hill
Ann Roberts abt 1837 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Monmouthshire
Fred Roberts abt 1894 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson West Dean, Monmouthshire
Alfred Frowen abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger West Dean, Monmouthshire
Samuel Dickenson abt 1867 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger West Dean, Monmouthshire

1911
DIX THOMAS M 1854 57 Monmouth Monmouthshire
DIX ELIZABETH F 1857 54 Monmouth Monmouthshire
DIX FLOR F 1901 10 Monmouth Monmouthshire
DIX LEONARD G M 1883 28 Monmouth Monmouthshire
DIX NELLIE F 1898 13 Monmouth Monmouthshire
DIX TOM DI M 1896 15 Monmouth Monmouthshire
TROWEN ALFRID M 1844 67 Monmouth Monmouthshire

Name: Alfred Frowen
Birth Date: abt 1845
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1927
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 26

Year: 1927
Month: Sep
Day: 10
Surname: FROWEN
Forenames: Alfred
Residence: Hawker {HEWER ?}
Age_at_death: 75
Officiating_Minister: Rev[eren]d E H Brice
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Edge End Coleford (2) [not stated] (3) HH 10 (4) Consecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25 / 204 / 30
Page_No: 46
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery

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Year: 1925
Month: Jan
Day: 30
Surname: HUDSON
Forenames: Alfred
Residence: Kings Head Hotel Redbrook
Age_at_death: 67
Officiating_Minister: John Griffin. Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/27
Page_No: 233
Parish_Chapel: Newland

wife Emma

Year: 1938
Month: Jun
Day: 28
Surname: HUDSON
Forenames: Emma
Residence: Corner House Redbrook
Age_at_death: 83
Officiating_Minister: A. J. O. Fry Assistant Priest
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/27
Page_No: 247
Parish_Chapel: Newland

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He appear to be boarding at the Kings Head from 1915
a number of HUDSON families from Penalt

a number of WW1 heroes from Redbrook / Penalt area recorded in the Monmouth Beacon

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He appears to have left his "family" between 1898 and 1911 ( when he is with the HUDSON family ) looking for a "footprint" on the 1901 census returns

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Presumably he must have been a relative of them to be taken in by them although it does not state any family connection as it does for the nephew Evans.

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Presumably he must have been a relative of them to be taken in by them although it does not state any family connection as it does for the nephew Evans.

Not a safe assumption :-)

I had hoped that Alfred's wife was perhaps a FROWEN - but no !

The Attestation paper has a "lie" around his age, so again the next of kin "Alfred FROWEN" may be a distortion ....

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I agree it is not certain, but as they had been married 26 years and had no children themselves they obviously seemed to be boarding this child. I wonder if he was unhappy and thus joined up underage to get away from it alll?
Pure conjecture..I know.

He does give his next of kin as a Brother Alfred Frower of Valley Farm, Redbrook.

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Kings Head, Lower Redbrook
No details

Map Reference:

Owner in 1891: J.C. Phillips (free from brewery tie)

Rateable value in 1891: £9.12s.0d.

Type of licence in 1891: Alehouse

Owner in 1903: J.C. Phillips (free from brewery tie)

Rateable value in 1903: £9.12s.0d.

Type of licence in 1903: Alehouse

Closing time in 1903:

Present status:

Landlords:

1856 B. Lambert

1885,1891 Thomas Taylor

1902,1903,1906 Mrs Sarah Ann Taylor

1919 Alfred Hudson

1927 William Herbert Hudson

1939 Sidney J. Ball

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His brother Alfred is also a Boarder age 11 in PenyVan whitebrook staying with the Wilkins family according to the 1911 census. Is there a pattern emerging here? Both these kids orphaned??????? and adopted by the tinworkers?

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1911 Pen Y Van Whitebrook Mon
Hanbury H Wilkins 33
Edith M Wilkins 35
Alfred Frowen 11

Name: Alfred Frowen
Birth Date: abt 1900
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1965
Age at Death: 65
Registration district: Pontypool
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 8c
Page: 202

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I wonder if Mary is the mother of William and Alfred ?

Year: 1886
Month: Feb
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: FROWEN
Child_Forenames: Mary
Fathers_Forenames: Alfred
Mothers_Forenames: Eliza
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Coleford
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: JW Thomas Assist[ant] Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Private Received Apr 25 Born Feb 12 1886
Notes:
Register_Reference: P93 IN I/6
Page_Number: 170
Parish_Chapel: Coleford

1901 Berry Hill
Eliza Frowen abt 1849 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Gloucestershire

1901
Walter Hackins {HASKINS ?} abt 1865 Puriton, Wiltshire, England Head Penallt, Monmouthshire
Elizbeth Hackins abt 1864 Raglan, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Penallt, Monmouthshire
Mary Hackins abt 1895 Penalt, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Penallt, Monmouthshire
Florence Hackins abt 1897 Penalt, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Penallt, Monmouthshire
Henry Hackins abt 1898 Penalt, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Penallt, Monmouthshire
Gladys Hackins abt 1900 Penalt, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Penallt, Monmouthshire
Mary Frowen abt 1886 Scowles, Gloucestershire, England Servant Penallt, Monmouthshire

1911 87 Lower Road Cwmsyfiog

David Thomas Robinson 21 Bedwelty Coal Miner
Mary Frowen 23 HousekeeperColeford General domestic servant
David Thomas Robinson 5 monthe illigitimite son Tredegar/Bedwelty
William Earnest Frowen 2 Monmouth

Name: Mary Frowen
Spouse :David T Robinson
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1913
Registration district: Bedwelty
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 167

Name: William Ernest Frowen
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1909
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 31

Year 1909
Month May
Day 7
Parents Surname FROWEN
Child Forenames William Ernest
Fathers Forenames not stated
Mothers Forenames Mary
Mothers Surname
Residence Coleford
Occupation
Officiating Minister S Johnson Master
Event Baptism
Memoranda Half Year ending Michaelmas 1909; [born] April 28th; Male; Illegitimate
Notes
Register Reference
Page Number 31
Parish Chapel Monmouth Workhouse

Name: David T Robinson
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1910
Registration district: Bedwellty
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 137

Name: Violet M Robinson
Mother's Maiden Name: Frowen
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1912
Registration district: Bedwellty
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 238

Name: Mary Robinson
Birth Date: 12 Feb 1886
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1970
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Bedwellty
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 8c
Page: 331

<><><> possibly another child for MAry

Year 1906
Month October
Day 15
Parents Surname FROWEN
Child Forenames Gladys Ethel
Fathers Forenames [not stated]
Mothers Forenames Mary
Mothers Surname
Residence Berry Hill
Occupation [not stated]
Officiating Minister C Barnes
Event Baptism
Memoranda Born Sept 15 1906
Notes
Register Reference P82 IN 1/6
Page Number 1
Parish Chapel Christchurch

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<><><> possibly another child for MAry

Year 1906
Month October
Day 15
Parents Surname FROWEN
Child Forenames Gladys Ethel
Fathers Forenames [not stated]
Mothers Forenames Mary
Mothers Surname
Residence Berry Hill
Occupation [not stated]
Officiating Minister C Barnes
Event Baptism
Memoranda Born Sept 15 1906
Notes
Register Reference P82 IN 1/6
Page Number 1
Parish Chapel Christchurch

1911 Berry Hill
FROWEN ELIZA F 1849 62 Monmouth Monmouthshire
FROWEN GLADYS F 1907 4 Monmouth Monmouthshire
DISE WILLIAM M 1872 39 Monmouth Monmouthshire
MURRELL GEORGE M 1870 41 Monmouth Monmouthshire

Year: 1927
Month: Apr
Day: 18
Grooms_Surname: WHITE
Grooms_Forenames: Arthur John
Grooms_Age: 24
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Newsagent
Grooms_Residence: Cheltenham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: White
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Ironworker
Brides_Surname: FROWEN
Brides_Forenames: Gladys Ethel
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Berry Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: [illegible] Powell
Witness_2: Ellen Rebeca White
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Albert Hoyle
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P52 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 31
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

Name: Gladys Ethel White
Birth Date: 5 Sep 1906
Date of Registration: Jan 1986
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Cheltenham
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 22
Page: 1961

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