I recently started researching one of my husband's aunt's family members. Her father was William Cinderey b:16 Jan 1906 Pennsylvania. After visiting them this summer and gleaming as much information as she could remember, gathering what few photo's she had, I began my search. After exhausting what I could find on ancestry and a couple of other websites I was able to determine her grandfather, John Herbert Cinderey b:11 Oct 1876 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England immigrated to USA in 1904 with his wife Mary (Murtagh?) and their oldest son Herbert Michael Cinderey b:16 Mar 1902.John Herbert was the son of John H b: 1854 and Elizabeth A Brain b:1850. I was also able to determine that John H (1854) was the son of George and Betsy (Wilks or Wilkes) Cinderey and thought that Georges father was named Guy.

I began to put together what little I had found for her and decided to do a little research on the East Dean to include with it when I go back to visit them in a couple of weeks. I came across this research forum yesterday. What a blessing! I found the 2006 and 2008 threads with loads of information!

I decided to post this information in case anyone would be interested in the records I have on John H and Mary Cinderey that immigrated to the US and their family.

John Herbert Cinderey
Born: 11 Oct 1876 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Immigrated to US: arrived New York harbor 4 March 1904 on ship Oceanic with wife, Mary and son, Herbert Michael following a few months later.
1910 Census Records: Tarentum, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, USA with wife Mary and children Herbert M, William, Violet M; occupation was bookkeeper.
Moved to Niles, Trumbull County, Ohio sometime between 1910-1918 as his WWI draft regitration lists him working as an inspector for the A.M. Byers Co.
Death: ?bef 1920 census
Burial: Niles, Trumbull County, Ohio [I hope to find the cemetery this next trip for John & Mary]

Mary Murtagh
Born: ca1876 Ireland
Immigrated to US: with son Herbert Michael on ship Cedric 3 Sept 1904
1910 Census Records: see John H Cinderey
1920 Census Record: Niles, Trumbull, Ohio, USA with Herbert M, William, and Violet M
1930 Census Record: Niles, Trumbull, Ohio, USA with Herbert M, William, and Violet M
Death: ? after 1930
Burial: Niles, Trumbull County, Ohio with John H Cinderey

Children of John H and Mary(Murtagh)Cinderey:

Herbert Michael Cinderey
Born: 16 March 1902, England
Immigrated to US: see Mary (Murtagh)Cinderey
1910 Census Records: see John H Cinderey
1920 Census Record: see Mary Murtagh Cinderey
1930 Census Record: see Mary Murtagh Cinderey
Death: 26 March 1974 St Elizabeth Hospital Youngstown, Mahoning County, Ohio
Burial: ?
Occupations: steel mill laborer then an inspector for GE
Herbert Michael never married

William Cinderey
Born: 16 January 1906 Tarentum, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
1910 Census Records: see John H Cinderey
1920 Census Record: see Mary Murtagh Cinderey
1930 Census Record: see Mary Murtagh Cinderey
Marriage: ca 1931 Alyce Louise VanKirk b:27 Nov 1910 Youngstown, Mahoning County, Ohio
Divorced: Alyce Louise VanKirk ca 1940
Military: US Army 1942-1945
Marriage: 16 July 1949 in Ohio Katheryn "Kay" Terlesky b:8 Oct 1914 Youngstown, Mahoning County, Ohio
Death: 30 Aug 1987 St Elizabeth Hospital Youngstown, Mahoning County, Ohio
Burial: Niles, Trumbull County, Ohio
Occupations: an inspector for GE
William and Alyce (VanKirk) Cinderey had one daughter - my husband's aunt
William and Kay (Terlesky) had no children.

Violet M Cinderey
Born: 3 Aug 1908 Tarentum, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
1910 Census Records: see John H Cinderey
1920 Census Record: see Mary Murtagh Cinderey
1930 Census Record: see Mary Murtagh Cinderey
Marriage: ca? Ohio, Joseph Beeble b:2 Jan 1909 Lewistown, Mifflin, Pennsylvania
Marriage: ca? Ohio, ? "Mac" McIntyre
Death: 26 Nov 2001 Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio
Burial: Cuyahoga County, Ohio
Violet (Cinderey) and Joseph Beeble had 2 sons: Robert Allen Beeble [1933-2003]; William R Beeble [1934-1984]

I have a few photos of William Cinderey but none of any of his siblings or parents.

I began to put together what little I had found for her and decided to do a little research on the East Dean to include with it when I go back to visit them in a couple of weeks. I came across this research forum yesterday. What a blessing! I found the 2006 and 2008 threads with loads of information!

Prior thread
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=2287

1841
George Sindary abt 1811 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Betty Sindary abt 1814 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
William Sindary abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
George Sindary abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Sindary abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Sindary abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

1851
Geo Cindey abt 1812 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Betsey Cindey abt 1815 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Cindey abt 1834 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Cindey abt 1836 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Cindey abt 1838 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Beah Cindey abt 1843 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Cindey abt 1846 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Cindey abt 1848 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1871 Harry Hill
George Cindry 60
Elizabeth Cindry 56
John Cindry 17

Year: 1876
Month: Nov
Day: 5
Parents_Surname: CINDEREY
Child_Forenames: John Herbert
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Drybrook
Occupation: Coal Miner
Officiating_Minister: A.F.Burgoyne Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC109 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 69
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1881 2 Providence Pl Freeman Rd
John Cinderey abt 1854 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Aston, Warwickshire
Elizabeth Cinderey abt 1851 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Aston, Warwickshire
Annie E. Cinderey abt 1875 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Aston, Warwickshire
John H. Cinderey abt 1877 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Aston, Warwickshire
Lilly C. Cinderey abt 1879 Aston, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston, Warwickshire
Hedley G. Cinderey Aston, Warwickshire, England Son Aston, Warwickshire

1891
John Aixterey abt 1854 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Aston, Warwickshire
Elizabeth Aixterey abt 1851 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Aston, Warwickshire
Annie E Aixterey abt 1875 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Aston, Warwickshire
John H Aixterey abt 1875 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Aston, Warwickshire
Lillie C Aixterey abt 1879 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston, Warwickshire
Hedley G Aixterey abt 1881 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Aston, Warwickshire
William J Aixterey abt 1885 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Aston, Warwickshire
Ellen L Aixterey abt 1887 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston, Warwickshire
Sydney B Aixterey abt 1888 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Aston, Warwickshire

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Year: 1809
Month: Sep
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: CINDRY
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: Guy
Mothers_Forenames: Susannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Rich[ar]d Walond Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: s[on] of
Notes:
Register_Reference: AA33/4
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Weston under Penyard

Year: 1808
Month: Nov
Day: 29
Grooms_Surname: SINDRE
Grooms_Forenames: Guy
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Linton
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: JAMES
Brides_Forenames: Susannah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Linton
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AR91/6
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Linton

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Year: 1828
Month: Mar
Day: 10
Surname: SINDREY
Forenames: Guy
Residence: The Hundred of St Briavels
Age_at_death: 45
Officiating_Minister: Edmd N Dean
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: 3315
Page_No: 27
Parish_Chapel: Weston under Penyard

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Hi Historyhound

Thank you for your well written posting. John Herbert Cinderey 1876 is my 2nd cousin twice removed, I had no idea he had emigrated to USA so had no knowledge beyond his birth, so thank you for the information.

As usual Slowhands as covered a lot of information, this time ony one fact new to me, unusual for a slowhands post.

Perhaps I can add to the details already posted, some may be included in the link, but I haven't looked at that yet. So adding to Slowhands information :

John Cinderey 1809 did indeed marry Elizabeth Brain born 1850 on 20 Dec 1873, Drybrook. Elizabeth Brain was the daughter of Simeon Brain 1819/1873 & Ann Marfell 1874. Ann Marfell was baptised 25 Jan 1824 daughter of one of my GGG Grandparents Cornelius Marfell 1779/1850 & his second wife Tamar Herbert 1792/1877. I can go back another 7 generations of Marfell's but for this posting that will do. Simeon Brain 1819/1873 was the son of James Brain 1785 & Sarah Drew 1768 James Brain 1785 the son of Giles Brain 1749/1796 & Ann Vaughan 1745/1813. 2 more generations of Brains (William 1717, Giles 1686) goes back to one of my 7 X Great Grandparent Giles Brain 1660 & Elinor.

Slowhands has shown details for Guy Cinderey 1784 & Susannah James 1789. Going back, Guy Cinderey baptised 4 July 1784 son of Guy Cinderey 1738 baptised 27 Nov 1738 Lea & Ann Lodge married 9 Aug 1751 Brampton Abbots - 5 children. Guy Cinderey 1738 son of Guy Cinderey 1689 baptised 26 Noc 1689 Lea & Jane. Guy Cinderey 1689 son of William Cinderey born abt 1660 died 16 Jun 1731 Lea & Margaret born abt. 1660 died 22 Apr 1740 Lea. William was Churchwarden, St Johns Church Lea.

1851 Census East Dean.
BRAIN Simeon 31 Coal Miner East Dean
Ann 27 East Dean
Sarah 5 East Dean
Cornelius 2 East Dean
Elizabeth 8m East Dean

1861 Census East Dean Rg9 1754 273
Simeon Brain 41 Coal Miner East Dean
Ann 37 East Dean
Ellen 15 East Dean
Cornelius 12 Coal Miner East Dean
Elizabeth 10 East Dean
Lydia 7 East Dean
James 4 East Dean
Anne 2 East Dean
Giles Brain Lodger 48 widower Coal Miner East Dean
James 16 Coal Miner East Dean

1871 Census East Dean
2598/27
Simeon Brain 51 Miner East Dean
Ann 47 East Dean
James 14 East Dean
Ann 12 East Dean
Simeon 7 East Dean
Hilary 4 East Dean
John 2 East Dean

1841 Census :
Cornelius Marfell 60 Farmer
Tamar 45 ?
John 20
Elizabeth 10
Henry 10
Cornelius 8 ?
Jane Hannah 6
William 20

1841 Census Holy Trinity Parsonage
Henry Birkin 60 Rector
Maria Louisa Birkin 70
Timothy Marfell 20 (brother of Ann Marfell)
Ann Marfell 15
Sarah White 20
Adelaide Jenkins 20

Jim Ashton

Jim and slowhands - thank you so much for all the wonderful and fasinating information. My husband's aunt will be thrilled when I go to visit her again in 2 weeks! She is the granddaughter of John Herbert and Mary (Murtagh)Cinderey, the daughter of their son William who was born in the US after they immigrated to Pennsylvania. She had more information on her mother's family than she did her fathers. I am so excited to tell her of my discoveries.

If anyone should have any photos they would be willing to share that would just be an extra blessing. I have a handful of photo's of her father William, mostly when he was in the Army during WWII. Even though she was 12 when her parents divored, she remained close with her father, but wishes she had asked more questions about both sides of her family. Just an aside her greatgrandfather on her mother's side was the international peace activist between 1913-1929, the Rev James William VanKirk, who designed the first "World Peace Flag"

Hi, I recently started looking for my family history - my grandmother's mother was Lilly Clara Cinderey the daughter of John Cinderey and Elizabeth Cinderey. My grandmother Lillian also emigrated to USA but returned when her father died and spent the rest of her life in England. It is fascinating to see how much has been discovered already! I started on the Family Search website and found a few interesting things and then found this site. Will have to write it all up and then see what bits are missing!

1901 Census, Aston, Deritend
Stratford Road

CENDEREY

John - Railwayman Signalman - born Forest of Dean Glos
Elizabeth - 50
John Herbert - 24 - Railway Clerk
Lillie Clara - 22 - born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Hedley Geo - 20 - Railway Clerk
Eller Lydia - 14
Will James - 16 - Zinc Worker
Sydney Bern - 13
Cecil Redvers - 1

1911 Census, 99 Ellesmere Road, Satley

CINDERY - living in 6 rooms

married 11 years, 8 children born alive - 3 dead

John - Rly Signalman - born Holy Trinity Parish of Dean Forest Glos
Elizabeth - 60
Ellen Lydia - 24, Grocers Cashier
Cecil - 11 - School
Albert Walter VILEO - 26, Visitor, Foreman Grinder, Motor Works

Thanks for that - the visitor in the last entry is Albert Walter Viles who married Ellen Lydia on 5/8/1912, this is getting addictive now!

1911 Census, 159 Waverley Road Small heath Birmingham

MORRIS

Luke - 38, Breeches Maker Tailor, Born London Westminster (married 12 years)
Winfred - 32 - ditto
Frank - 11
Winifred May - 8
Dorothy - 4
Sydney Arthur - 2
Lily Clara BREARLEY - Visitor - 32, married 9 years - two children born above, 2 living
Ethel Winfred BREARLEY - 8
Arthur William Horace BREARLEY - 4

(no husband at home)

Thank you! Lilly Clare married Mr Morris after she came back from the states after her husband died. My Grandmother Lillian never really got over it as she didn't want to come back. She was so happy in Pittsburgh

Oops no it was Ethel married Frank Morris and Lilly married a Mr Marshall when she came back from usa in Stockbridge