Hi
my gggrandmother & ggrandmother spent quite a bit of time in the workhouse Westbury upon Severn........there was also a brother
names are Mary Elizabeth Lewis b 1835/36 Gloucester and Mary Elizabeth Lewis b 1870 Eastdean and William Thomas Lewis b c 1872 Eastdean
all are in 1881 census in workhouse.
Looking at Parish records they appear to have been baptised in 1877 but William was baptised in January and Mary in October it says Littledean workhouse was this the same as Westbury upon Severn? and would it be usual to baptise girls and boys separatly?
Would workhouse records have information on father? I am fairly sure who the father was as Mary was living with a William Smith in 1871 and Mary Elizabeth b 1870 had a daughter Frances Louisa Lewis my grandmother also baseborn in Gloucester workhouse and in 1901 she was living with her halfsister Emma Williams nee Smith. It has taken about 6 years to get this far but it still leaves a few unanswered questions, which I wish I had asked my Gran when she was alive!!
sandie
Baptism..workhouse
by ChrisW , Saturday, June 16, 2012, 23:06 (4538 days ago) @ sandiep
On the 1871 census Mary & daughter are only listed as Visitors at William Smith's house.
Baptism..workhouse
by sandiep , Sunday, June 17, 2012, 19:40 (4537 days ago) @ ChrisW
perhaps to protect Mary's virtue!!!
Littledean Workhouse
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 00:21 (4538 days ago) @ sandiep
sandie
In 1822 it opened a workhouse in the former Red Lion inn (fn. 62) and appointed a governor to farm the poor in it for £240, the inmates' earnings, and bastardy payments. From 1823 the workhouse was also used by the parishes of Abenhall and Flaxley, and from 1824 it was run as a pin factory. In 1826 Littledean parish had 13 bedsteads in the workhouse. (fn. 63)
From: 'Littledean', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 5: Bledisloe Hundred, St. Briavels Hundred, The Forest of Dean (1996), pp. 159-173. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23258 Date accessed: 17 June 2012.
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Littledean Workhouse
by sandiep , Sunday, June 17, 2012, 19:52 (4537 days ago) @ slowhands
I had forgotten the interesting and large ammount of information that can be found in the British History...thank you for the reminder sandie
Mary E LEWIS 1835-1909 Gloucester -> FoD
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 08:35 (4538 days ago) @ sandiep
Possible
1841 Back Terrace,
Robert Lewis abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England St Michael, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Lewis abt 1792 St Michael, Gloucestershire
William Lewis abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England St Michael, Gloucestershire
Mary Lewis abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England St Michael, Gloucestershire
David Lewis abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England St Michael, Gloucestershire
Alfred Lewis abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England St Michael, Gloucestershire
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1861
Mary E Lewis abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Servant Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Name: Mary Elizabeth Lewis
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1870
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 231
1871 Looks like Soudley / Blaize Hill area
William Smith 58 Head Minsterworth
William Smith 20 Son East Dean
Alice Smith 18 Daughter East Dean
Mary C Lewis 36 Visitor Gloucester
Mary C Lewis 1 Daughter East Dean
[this is ambiguous - it "reads" that young Mary E is the daughter of the head of household, but I suspect it should read daughter of Visitor}
Name: William Thomas Lewis
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1872
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 230
Year: 1877
Month: Jan
Day: 10
Parents_Surname: LEWIS
Child_Forenames: William Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: [base born]
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Littledean Workhouse
Occupation: Single Woman
Officiating_Minister: Chris Jay Jones Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/15
Page_Number: 166
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn
Year: 1877
Month: Oct
Day: 4
Parents_Surname: LEWIS
Child_Forenames: Mary Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: [base born]
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Littledean Workhouse
Occupation: Single Woman
Officiating_Minister: Chris Jay Jones Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/15
Page_Number: 171
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn
1881 "Workhouse" Westbury On Severn
Mary Lewis abt 1835 Gloucester City of Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire
Elizth. Lewis abt 1870 The Bailey Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire
Thos. Lewis abt 1872 The Bailey Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire
1891 "Workhouse" Westbury On Severn
Mary Lewis abt 1835 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Pauper Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire
1901 "Workhouse" Westbury On Severn
Mary Lewis abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Inmate Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire
Year: 1909
Month: Jan
Day: 18
Surname: LEWIS
Forenames: Mary
Residence: Workhouse Westbury
Age_at_death: 74
Officiating_Minister: Robert Bruce
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: Died 14 Jan 1909
Notes: No. of Grave 224
Register_Reference: P110 IN 1/13
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Littledean
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Mary E LEWIS 1835-1909 Gloucester -> FoD
by sandiep , Sunday, June 17, 2012, 19:54 (4537 days ago) @ slowhands
thank you for all this information...some of which I had but its nice to know someone else agrees that the info might be correct.
Robert LEWIS/Elizabeth THOMAS
by m p griffiths , Sunday, June 17, 2012, 23:00 (4537 days ago) @ slowhands
? Gloucestershire BMD Index
Child Surname: LEWIS
Child Forename: Mary Elizabeth
Father Surname: LEWIS
Mother Surname: LEWIS
Mother's Former Name: WILLIAMS
Year: 1871
Office: Gloucester Huntley
Register: 12
Entry: 285
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Gloucestershire Marriage Index
Hempsted
Robert LEWIS married Elizabeth THOMAS - 13 February 1831 residence South Hamlet
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Gloucestershire Genealogical Database - Non-Conformist
Christening: - William 'Thomas' LEWIS *- 24 April 1832, St Owens, Gloucester - parents Robert & Elizabeth
*a later family name...
Christening - Mary Elizabeth - 29 March 1835 - father: Robert LEWIS (Barge Builder) and Elizabeth
Christening: address: Littleworth - 12 September 1837, David, father: Robt: & Elizabeth
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GloucestershireBDM - David LEWIS 1837 - mother's maiden name THOMAS & Alfred 1840 - mother's maiden name THOMAS
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1841 Census (the family are living - Back Terrace) Robert occupation: Chief Carpenter
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Gloucestershire Burial Index
Alfred LEWIS - age 14 months - 27 July 1841 - St Michael's Hamlet
Robert LEWIS - age 39 - 25 November 1847 - residence St James Back Terrace c1808
Elizabeth LEWIS - age 49 - 4 May 1845 - residence St James Back Terrace c1796
? Church of Latter Day Saints, christening Berkeley 10 July 1808 Robert LEWIS, father: William LEWIS
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1851 Gloucester St Catherine District Gloucester Union Workhouse
Mary Lewis, 18 - Servant, born Gloucester
1851 Gloucester North Hamlet
David LEWIS: Bakers Apprentice (to John McKEE) - age 15 - born Glos. Barton St Michael
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? 1861 Census
Bisley, Glos
Chalford
William T LEWIS - 29 - labourer - born Gloucester
Mary A - 29 - Silk Windress, born Bisley
Mary - 2
Elizabeth - 1
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Gloucestershirebdm - William T LEWIS/Mary A HOOPER - Stroud, Chalford, Christ Church 1856
Robert LEWIS/Elizabeth THOMAS
by sandiep , Monday, June 18, 2012, 20:40 (4536 days ago) @ m p griffiths
What a fantastic ammount of information........thank you I can now see how poor Mary ended up in the workhouse with her mother dying when she was 10 and her father when she was 12 poor lass.
I guess with younger Mary I had better send for some birth cert to see which one is her.
sandie
SMITH - Minsterworth
by m p griffiths , Monday, June 18, 2012, 18:45 (4536 days ago) @ slowhands
Church of Latter Day Saints
Christening @ Saint Catherine's Gloucester - John SMITH- 6 April 1806 - parents Daniel & Edith
Christening @ Minsterworth - William SMITH 27 October 1811 - Daniel & Edith
Gloucestershire Baptism Index
Christenings at Minsterworth - parents Daniel (Farmer) & Edith
Anne - 20 October 1814
Daniel - 27 April 1817
Edmund - 22 September 1822
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1841 Census, Glos. Newnham
Darl SMITH - 65 - Farmer - all born in County
Edith - 64
Charles - 43
Edmund - 18
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1851 Census, East Dean
SMITH
Edmund - 29 - born Minsterworth
Eliza - 27 - born Flaxley
Ann - 5- born Littledean
Thomas - 2
William - 2
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FOD records
Marriage at Flaxley - 31 January 1845
Edmund SMITH, Bachelor, Collier, Township of East Dean
father: Daniel SMITH, Collier
married
Eliza DAVIS, full age, Spinster, Township of East Dean
father: Thomas DAVIS, Farmer
by banns
witnesses: John DAVIS - and Harriett MARTIN
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FOD records
Marriage at Churcham - 18 April 1796
Daniel SMITH - residence Parish of Minsterworth
married
Edith ALLEN - of this Parish
by Licence
witnesses; John & Anne SMITH
SMITH - Minsterworth
by sandiep , Monday, June 18, 2012, 20:45 (4536 days ago) @ m p griffiths
This certainly looks like the family of William Smith thank you
Frances Louisa LEWIS 1888 -
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 08:54 (4538 days ago) @ sandiep
1861
William Smith abt 1812 Minsterworth, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Smith abt 1845 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Smith abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice Smith abt 1852 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Year: 1866
Month: Jun
Day: 2
Grooms_Surname: WILLIAMS
Grooms_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: collier
Grooms_Residence: Newnham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Williams
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: labourer
Brides_Surname: SMITH
Brides_Forenames: Emma
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newnham
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Smith
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: labourer
Licence_or_Banns: banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both mark
Witness_1: mark of Thomas Church
Witness_2: Emma Probyn
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: E.C.Brice perp. curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Full and Newnham centred in box
Register_Reference: P228 IN 1/13
Page_Number: 180
Parish_Chapel: Newnham
1871 Littledean Silver St
Henry Williams 30 Collier
Emma Williams 26
William James Williams 4
1881
Henry Williams abt 1843 Horseley Glos, Gloucestershire, England Head Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Williams abt 1846 Blaize Bailey, Gloucestershire, England Wife Little Dean, Gloucestershire
William J. Williams abt 1867 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
George A. Williams abt 1874 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Hubert F. Williams abt 1876 Blaize Bailey, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma L. Williams abt 1880 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean, Gloucestershire
1891
Emma Williams abt 1846 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Little Dean, Gloucestershire
George A Williams abt 1875 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Hubert Williams abt 1877 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Emilia Williams E abt 1880 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Arthur E Williams abt 1884 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Name: Frances Louisa Lewis
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1888
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 262
1901
Josiah Tippetts abt 1831 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Head St John the Baptist, Gloucestershire
Sarah A Tippetts abt 1837 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Wife St John the Baptist, Gloucestershire
Louisa Lewis abt 1888 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Lodger St John the Baptist, Gloucestershire
1901
Emma Williams abt 1846 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Littledean, Gloucestershire
George Williams abt 1874 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Son Littledean, Gloucestershire
Emma Williams abt 1881 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Littledean, Gloucestershire
Arthur Williams abt 1884 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Son Littledean, Gloucestershire
Francis Lewis abt 1889 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Littledean, Gloucestershire
{given as Visitor rather than related}
1911 Mornington, Elmbridge Road, Gloucester
Rudolf Davis 56
Jessie Caroline Davis 48
Gertrude Minna Davis 12
Frances Louise Lewis 22
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Frances Louisa LEWIS 1888 -
by sandiep , Sunday, June 17, 2012, 20:05 (4537 days ago) @ slowhands
again many thanks for this............I guess you think I might be taking a leap of faith in assuming Frances is related to the Smiths & Williams.
My feeling is she is ........Emily Smith who married Henry Williams had a daughter also called Emily who married a Joseph Hart........they had 2 daughters who I did meet when younger they lived in Rustpidge and they refered to my grandmother Frances as their Aunt which if my supposition that her mother was the daughter of William Smith would be correct.
Mary Elizabeth the younger did in 1911 call herself Elizabeth Smith she was living at same address in Alvin Street as in 1901.......I have no ide why she didnt bring up Frances herself, and didnt even realise my Nan was born in the workhouse till after she died.....to late to ask any questions.
can you tell me if the workhouse records would give me anymore information?
I live in Oxfordshire so could visit Archives.
sandie