Rose/Rosa Hart - Nee Burrows - Forest of Dean FHT Forum

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Can anyone help with details of my GG Grandmother Rosa Hart (Nee Burrows) from before she was married?

I can find no census details for her before her marriage.

According to the census returns after her marriage in 1880 to George Hart, she is listed as being born around 1857 in Cinderford/Ruspidge/Forest of Dean. She and George lived in Cheltenham, East Dean and Rusdpidge over the years before eventually moving to Castleford, West Yorkshire, where she died in 1928.

I have no information on who Rosa's parents were and can find no information on the census's on Ancestry and can also find no information on here.

Obviously I may need to order a copy of the marriage certificate, but before I do I would be grateful if anyone here could help!

Many thanks in advance

Mel

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Hi all

Can anyone help with details of my GG Grandmother Rosa Hart (Nee Burrows) from before she was married?

I can find no census details for her before her marriage.

According to the census returns after her marriage in 1880 to George Hart, she is listed as being born around 1857 in Cinderford/Ruspidge/Forest of Dean. She and George lived in Cheltenham, East Dean and Rusdpidge over the years before eventually moving to Castleford, West Yorkshire, where she died in 1928.

Name: Rose Hart
Birth Date: abt 1862
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1928
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Pontefract
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 187

1911 Ruspidge
George Hart 51
Rose Hart 50
George Hart 17
Harry Hart 10
Thomas Hart 8

1901 Ruspidge
George Hart abt 1857 Cheltenham Head East Dean, Gloucestershire Coal Miner
Rosa Hart abt 1857 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Hart abt 1883 Ruspidge Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith Hart abt 1887 Ruspidge Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Rosa Hart abt 1891 Ruspidge Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Hart abt 1893 Ruspidge Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Harry Hart abt 1900 Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1891 Ruspidge
George Hart abt 1857 Cheltenham Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Rosa Hart abt 1858 Forest of Dean Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Florance Hart abt 1881 Cheltonham Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Hart abt 1883 Forest of Dean Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice Hart abt 1885 Forest of Dean Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith Hart abt 1887 Forest of Dean Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Rosa Hart abt 1891 Forest of Dean Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1881 1 Bahama Cotts
George Hart abt 1861 Cheltm, Gloucestershire, England Head Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Rose Hart abt 1861 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Cheltenham, Gloucestershire

HART George
BURROWS Rose
Cheltenham Cheltenham St Luke
1880 2 113

Rose BURROWS doesnt seem to fit with the area

My initial suspicions are on this family:-

1881 Ruspidge
James Williams abt 1823 Whitcroft, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Williams abt 1832 Drybrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Annie Williams abt 1867 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Niece Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Clara L. M. Morris abt 1879 Woodside, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Frederick Underwood abt 1863 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

1871 Ruspidge
James Williams 43 Whitecroft
Sarah Williams 39 East Dean
Rosa Hodges 9 Gloucester Adopted daughter

1861 Ruspidge
James Williams abt 1823 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Williams abt 1831 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Williams abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Winfred Matthews abt 1795 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Mother-in-law East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Stephens abt 1837 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger East Dean, Gloucestershire

1851 Ruspidge
James Williams abt 1823 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Williams abt 1831 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Williams abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1848
Month: Sep
Day: 23
Grooms_Surname: WILLIAMS
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: 26
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Moseley Green
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: WILLIAMS
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: MATTHEWS
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Moseley Green
Brides_Fathers_Surname: MATTHEWS
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Charles
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both mark
Witness_1: Edmund Trigg
Witness_2: Elizabeth Mathews
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry Poole
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/20
Page_Number: 60
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

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Thank you slow hands, I already have that information, it's info prior to her marriage in 1880 that I am looking for, her parents names if possible!

Obviously I know this information may not be available without ordering a marriage certificate, but I'm just a yorkshire lass trying to save a few quid!

Thanks again

Mel

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Thank you slow hands, I already have that information, it's info prior to her marriage in 1880 that I am looking for, her parents names if possible!

Obviously I know this information may not be available without ordering a marriage certificate, but I'm just a yorkshire lass trying to save a few quid!

Thanks again

Mel

I suspect you replied whilst my response was being formed

ordering the Marriage Cert may not help - this appears to be "non standard" illigitimacy / an adoption ? some mis information maybe etc etc BURROWS may be a false path....

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Thank you slow hands, I already have that information, it's info prior to her marriage in 1880 that I am looking for, her parents names if possible!

Obviously I know this information may not be available without ordering a marriage certificate, but I'm just a yorkshire lass trying to save a few quid!

Thanks again

Mel

1851
Benjamin Burrows abt 1812 Mitcheadenspton, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Burrows abt 1813 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph Burrows abt 1836 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Burrows abt 1840 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Burrows abt 1843 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Burrows abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Burrows abt 1851 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1861
Joseph Burrows abt 1836 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ester Burrows abt 1835 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary A E Burrows abt 1858 Abersychan, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Burrows abt 1860 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Symonds abt 1781 Mitchledean, Gloucestershire, England Grandmother, Grandma (Grandmother) East Dean, Gloucestershire

1871
Joseph Burris 35
Esther Burris 37
Rose Burris 11
Sarah A Burris 7
Ruth Burris 5
Rich Burris 4
Saml Burris 2
Edith Burris 6 Months
James Poole 60

1881
Joseph Burrows abt 1844 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Esther Burrows abt 1833 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ruth Burrows abt 1865 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Burrows abt 1867 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Samuel Burrows abt 1869 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eada Burrows abt 1871 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Annie Burrows abt 1863 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Burrows abt 1864 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Burrows abt 1877 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
Joseph Burrows abt 1844 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Esther Burrows abt 1843 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Samuel Burrows abt 1867 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Annie Burrows abt 1873 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Burrows abt 1874 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Bertha Burrows abt 1882 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

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1861
Benjamin Burrows abt 1816 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary A Burrows abt 1814 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Richd Burrows abt 1841 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizth Burrows abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Wm Burrows abt 1849 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1871
Benjamin Burrows 56
Mary Ann Burrows 55
William Burrows 22
Emma Burrows 13
Thomas Blewett 19
George Simmonds 28
Miles Morriss 46
Oliver Loyd 23
Emma Loyd 27

1881
Benjamin Burrows abt 1811 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Burrows abt 1826 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

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1861
William Harding abt 1818 Lewis, Sussex, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Harding abt 1821 Maidenhead, Berkshire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Earnest Harding abt 1856 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Fredrick Werner abt 1844 Gloucestershire, England Lodger East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Burrows abt 1844 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Apprentice East Dean, Gloucestershire

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1871 Ruspidge
James Williams 43 Whitecroft
Sarah Williams 39 East Dean
Rosa Hodges 9 Gloucester Adopted daughter

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Name: Rosa Hodges
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1862
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 264

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Mu apologies for jumping the gun! I was at the end if a very long nightshift! I'm quite confused by the fact that she may not have been a burrows at all, although for some reason I had it in my head that the Joseph burrows you mention was her father. If as you say, getting the marriage certificate may not help, I'm not sure where to go from here to check her identity and unravel her story! I think I will have to have a study when I've had some sleep!

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Mu apologies for jumping the gun! I was at the end if a very long nightshift! I'm quite confused by the fact that she may not have been a burrows at all, although for some reason I had it in my head that the Joseph burrows you mention was her father. If as you say, getting the marriage certificate may not help, I'm not sure where to go from here to check her identity and unravel her story! I think I will have to have a study when I've had some sleep!

The Marriage Cert may give some more clues - what I was trying to say was dont hang all your hope / funds on this !

The Rose BURRIS / BURROWS 1860 daugh of Joseph / Esther is also worth exploring.

I'm pretty sure she is either:-
EVANS Rosa EVANS
1859 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 19 373

Name: Rosa Evans
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1859
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 181

or {my preferred person}

BURRIS Rosa BURRIS BURRIS EVANS
1861 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 21 401

Name: Rosa Burris
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1861
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 217

mother marries :- ??

Year: 1869
Month: Sept
Day: 27
Grooms_Surname: BURROWS
Grooms_Forenames: Joseph
Grooms_Age: 30
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Littledean Woodside
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Burrows
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Shoemaker
Brides_Surname: EVANS
Brides_Forenames: Esther
Brides_Age: 30
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Littledean Woodside
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Evans
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Gardener
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Mark
Witness_1: William Burrows
Witness_2: Hannah Hall
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 242
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Year: 1859
Month: Aug
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: BURRIS
Child_Forenames: Emma
Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Mothers_Forenames: Esther
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Upper Bilson Woodside
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: William N Truss Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 179
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1841
Benjamin Burrows abt 1809 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Burrows abt 1812 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Joseph Burrows abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Richard Burrows abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Year: 1836
Month: Jan
Day: 24
Parents_Surname: BURROUGHS
Child_Forenames: Joseph
Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Mothers_Forenames: Anne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Occupation: Shoemaker
Officiating_Minister: J Parsons Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P110 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 1
Parish_Chapel: Littledean

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Year: 1869
Month: Sept
Day: 27
Grooms_Surname: BURROWS
Grooms_Forenames: Joseph
Grooms_Age: 30
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Littledean Woodside
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Burrows
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Shoemaker
Brides_Surname: EVANS
Brides_Forenames: Esther
Brides_Age: 30
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Littledean Woodside
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Evans
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Gardener
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Mark
Witness_1: William Burrows
Witness_2: Hannah Hall
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 242
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Hester ?
1841 Newnham
Williams Evans 35
Elizabeth Evans 35
Mary Evans 12
Heather Evans 9
Caroline Evans 6
Ellen Evans 4
Elizabeth Evans 3
William Evans 2
Samuel Evans 7 Mo

1851
Ester Evans abt 1837 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Servant Newnham, Gloucestershire

1861 living as man and wife ?
Joseph Burrows abt 1836 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ester Burrows abt 1835 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary A E Burrows abt 1858 Abersychan, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Burrows abt 1860 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Symonds abt 1781 Mitchledean, Gloucestershire, England Grandmother, Grandma (Grandmother) East Dean, Gloucestershire

1871
Joseph Burris 35
Esther Burris 37
Rose Burris 11
Sarah A Burris 7
Ruth Burris 5
Rich Burris 4
Saml Burris 2
Edith Burris 6 Months
James Poole 60

1901 St Johns Cinderford
Joseph Burris abt 1841 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ester Burris J abt 1841 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Bertha Burris abt 1883 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1905
Month: Nov
Day: 15
Surname: BURROWS
Forenames: Esther
Residence: St. Johns Cinderford
Age_at_death: 61 years
Officiating_Minister: James Sawton Vicar of Holy Trinity
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/14
Page_No: 132
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

Year: 1906
Month: Mar
Day: 22
Surname: BURROWS
Forenames: Joseph
Residence: Saint Johns Cinderford
Age_at_death: 67 years
Officiating_Minister: James Sawton Vicar of Holy Trinity
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/14
Page_No: 135
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

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