Robert RICHARDS born Breconshire 1789 (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Monday, July 30, 2012, 17:57 (4494 days ago) @ slowhands

Once again Slowhands comesup trumps with the Census', thanks !.

I did wonder if Robert might be recorded as a Richardson, there are some in the Brecon Militia Lists, but no Roberts so... I've just spent some weeks researching my own Glos Richardsons, surprised to find they originated in Sussex...

Anyhow;
I've tried but failed to find more about "Hatton" ??
In 1841 Robert is reported as being within St John the Evangelist Brecon.
I presume they have ticked to say they are from that County; the earliest Census's did specifically ask where born.

St John's is actually the Cathedral Church of Brecon, originally a Priory.
http://history.powys.org.uk/history/common/stjohns1.html

For more general info see
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/Brecon/StJohn/index.html

This states the Parish Records are held by Powys Archives & FindMyPast.
http://www.powys.gov.uk/uploads/media/BrecPR_bi.pdf
So hopefully Jenny with your subscription you may find his Baptism, altho it may well be difficult given the common name. Knowing the Welsh patryonic surname system I strongly suspect Robert's father's first name will be Richard.

Searching LDS again I find the following which MAY possibly be him ?, I cannot understand why I didnt find it yesterday...

"Wales, Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907,"
Name: Robert Richards
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 17 May 1789
Baptism/Christening Place: LLANGAMMARCH,BRECON,WALES
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Richd Ingram
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C08133-1
System Origin: Wales-ODM
Source Film Number: 104476

Llangammarch is north of Brecon towards Builth Wells.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/Llangamarch/index.html

Finally, re Robert's reported enlistment town of Llandeilo for the Brecon Militia, I see I was in error yesterday. There is another Llandeilo, much nearer to Brecon town just 10 miles away, see.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/Llandeilorfan/Gaz1868.html

I think this suggests the brothers were actually more Brecon men than Monmouth. However as I cannot find a baptism for Stephen then ??... as said earlier ideally need to find Baptisms for both to be confident of their parents. Sorry cannot be more useful.

As an outside possibility for Stephen's Baptism, I find this on LDS.

"Wales, Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907,"
Name: Stephen Richards
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 07 Jan 1775
Baptism/Christening Place: LLANDINAM,MONTGOMERY,WALES
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Richard Stephens
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C09059-1
System Origin: Wales-ODM
Source Film Number: 104585

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MGY/Llandinam/Gaz1868.html

Llandinam is again north from Brecon & Builth Wells up into the high hills. However it is on the Severn and near the Wye, which itself flows south into Builth Wells, so it is possible for Stephen & Robert's parents to have migrated slowly southwards towards Brecon and then Monmouth, perhaps using the Wye, with their boys being born during that migration. Supposition of course, but not unreasonable I think.

That said hopefully Slowhands et al will use their better skills & resources to solve this once and for all.