Ida Alice F G Mitchell born 1882 HFDS (General)
by sarah phelps 
, Sunday, August 12, 2012, 20:49 (4481 days ago)
Whereabouts of above lady, last known address 1911 census in Ross. Believed to be married in Forest of Dean in 1913???
Any help gratefully received.
Ida Alice F G Mitchell born 1882 HFDS
by ChrisW , Sunday, August 12, 2012, 21:33 (4481 days ago) @ sarah phelps
This one on Gloucestershire BMD Index??
JONES Thomas MITCHELL Ida Gloucester Gloucester St Luke the Less with St Stephen 1923 30 No 4 157
Ida Alice F G Mitchell born 1882 HFDS
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Sunday, August 12, 2012, 21:52 (4481 days ago) @ sarah phelps
Hi Sarah,
sorry but cannot add much to Chris's post above, it seems she's rather an elusive lady! As I'm sure Chris is/has, I've thoroughly searched FreeBMD (ALL Mitchells), GlosBMD, GlosNonConformists, this site FoDFH and LDS.
I've tried name variations, I guess Mitchell could vary?.
Sadly all I've found is what I think you know,
FreeBMD:
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Births Sep 1882 (>99%)
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Mitchell Ida Alice F G Hereford 6a 489
and from LDS:
"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975,"
Name: Ida Alice Francoise Georgina Mitchel
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 1882
Baptism/Christening Place: BREINTON, HEREFORD, ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Mitchel
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Eliza
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C13704-1
System Origin: England-VR
Source Film Number: 1041516
Reference Number: - 2:GHVQR6
Cannot place her in 1891 Census ?
England and Wales Census, 1901,"
Name: Ida Alice Mitchel
Event: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender: Female
Age: 19
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Kings Caple, Herefordshire
Record Type: Household
Registration District: Ross
Sub-district: Sollershope
Ecclesiastical Parish: Kings Caple
Civil Parish: Kings Caple
County: Herefordshire
"England and Wales Census, 1911,"
Name: Ida A Mitchell
Event: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Female
Age: 28
Birthplace: Hereford, Herefordshire
Record Type: Household
Registration District: Ross
Sub-district: Ross
Parish: Ross Urban
County: Herefordshire
[Update: using the current Free access to Ancestry I've just viewed this form, Ida is a cook at the George Hotel, Gloster Road, Ross On Wye.]
I don't have a subscription but using the free search of Ancestry gives the following clues;
1) an "Ida Mitchell dies Gloucestershire in 1917", so, from FreeBMD:
Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page Transcriber
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Deaths Mar 1917
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Mitchell Ida 34 Gloucester 6a 511 PLabott
So if aged 34 in 1917 that gives birth abt 1883 !
however unlikely as you believe she married so would have changed name...
OR
2) an "Alice Frances Mitchell dies Lancashire 1972", cannot find an age for her as no FreeBMD coverage.
3) Ancestry shows a Christening for
"Name: Ida Alice Francoise Georgenia Mitchell
Mother: Eliza Mitchell
Father: Samuel Mitchell"
Now it does not show me (no subs) a place or date, however I suspect there cannot be too many ladies with such a similar name. WHY does it show a different father than LDS above ?. Worth further digging methinks.
I hope this helps in some way, sorry no marriage tho !
If you don't have Ancestry Subscription and no-one else helps later on this forum (unlikely) don't forget your local public Library has free Ancestry access, assuming you're in the UK of course.
Ida Alice F G Mitchell born 1882 HFDS
by m p griffiths , Monday, August 13, 2012, 09:53 (4480 days ago) @ sarah phelps
On the 1911 census:
Ida A MITCHELL - age 28 - Single, Cook, born Hereford
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?
Death on Ancestry :
Ida MITCHELL - c1883 - age 34
J/F/M Qtr 1917-
Gloucester
Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page : 511
Ida Alice F G Mitchell born 1882 HFDS
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Monday, August 13, 2012, 16:35 (4480 days ago) @ m p griffiths
Greetings MPG !, hope you're all well ?
Please if possible can you lookup the place and date of the apparently similar Christening I noted above, my point 3 ?.
Thanks.
UPDATE while trying to minimise post count,
"Thanks, should have realised you were already onto it !
Same person then, thought so, but some confusion over the father perhaps. But then again I see mum was a Jones and you know what we're sorry those are like..."
Ida Alice F G Mitchell born 1882 HFDS
by m p griffiths , Monday, August 13, 2012, 16:53 (4480 days ago) @ Jefff
Here we are
Actual photograph of birth certificate on Ancestry
Wandsworth, 1882 -
District of Burghill : Hereford
when and where born: 23 July 1882 Breinton R.S.D. Hereford
Ida Alice Francoise Georgenia
girl
Father: Samuel MITCHELL - Gardener in a Nursery
Mother: Eliza MITCHELL, formerly JONES
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1901 Census, Herefordshire, Kings Caple
MITCHEL
Samuel - 71 - Coal Salesman - born Cowley, Glous.
Eliza - 64 - born Little Dewchurch, Her.
Henry Edward - 43 - Gardeners' labourer, born Kings Caple
Ida Alice - daughter - 19 - born Kings Caple
Samuel Mitchell marries Eliza Jones abt June 1855 Ross
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Monday, August 13, 2012, 19:29 (4480 days ago) @ m p griffiths
From FreeBMD:
Full transcription for Ross District April/May/June 1855 Marriages Register From FreeBMD:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Jun 1855 (>99%)
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JONES Eliza Ross 6a 735
JONES Elizabeth Ross 6a 735
MITCHELL Samuel Ross 6a 735
WOODALL Thomas Ross 6a 735
So no doubt Ida's parents were married long afore Ida was born in 1882.
Looks like the earlier mentioned LDS Cnristening showing her father as Thomas was a simple transcription error from this Register, especially as he also married an Elizabeth Jones ?
I cannot search for Samuel's birth abt 1830 as before FreeBMDs records.
Searching Samuel on LDS:
"England and Wales Census, 1841,"
Name: Samuel Mitchel
Event: Census
Event Date: 1841
Gender: Male
Age: 10
Birthplace: Gloucestershire
Record Type: Household
Registration District: Cheltenham
Sub-district: Charlton Kings
Civil Parish: Cowley
County: Gloucestershire
From GlosFHS Census 1851, not perfect match agewise but correct location, Coberley is 2 miles from Cowley:
1964 1851 CENSUS HO107/1964 FF.0231 - 0249 ED.4A PAINSWICK
Piece: 1964 Folio: 0240 Schedule: 060
Address: Vicarage Lane
MITCHELL Samuel HD M 49 Quarryman GLS Cubberly [Coberley] (c1802)
MITCHELL Mary WI M 44 Formerly a Weaver GLS Painswick (c1807)
MITCHELL Joseph SO U 19 Quarryman GLS Painswick (c1832)
MITCHELL Samuel SO U 16 Plough Boy GLS Painswick (c1835)
MITCHELL William SO U 14 Carter's Boy GLS Painswick (c1837)
MITCHELL Elizabeth DA - 9 Scholar GLS Painswick (c1842)
MITCHELL Frederick SO - 5 Scholar GLS Painswick (c1846)
MITCHELL Mary Ann DA - 3 Scholar GLS Painswick (c1848)
TAYLOR Edward LG - 30 Turner LAN Liverpool (c1821)
"England and Wales Census, 1861,"
Name: Samuel Mitchell
Event: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Cowley, Gloucestershire
Record Type: Household
Registration District: Ludlow
Sub-district: 1 Leintwardine
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish: Leinthall Starkes
County: Shropshire
"England and Wales Census, 1871,"
Name: Samuel Mitchell
Event: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 41
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Birthplace: Cowley, Gloucestershire
Record Type: Household
Registration District: Ross
Sub-district: Sollershope
Event Parish: Sellack
County: Herefordshire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self Samuel Mitchell M 41 Cowley, Gloucestershire
Wife Eliza Mitchell F 35 Dunchurch, Herefordshire
Son Henry E Mitchell M 13 Kings Capll, Herefordshire
Son William T Mitchell M 10 Leinthall Starkes, Herefordshire
Daughter Eliza A Mitchell F 8 Leinthall Starkes, Herefordshire
Son Edwin J Mitchell M 4 Holmer, Herefordshire
Daughter Louis Ann Mitchell F 1 Sellack, Herefordshire
No christening record apparent, and Cowley is outside this FoD site's PRs coverage.
Similarly searching Eliza she's at the above Census locations, plus:
"England and Wales Census, 1881,"
Name: Eliza Mitchell
Age: 45
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1836
Birthplace: Little Dewchurch, Herefordshire, Wales
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Marital Condition: Married
Profession/Occupation:
Address: Gattertop Cottage
Census Place: Hope Under Dinmore, Herefordshire, Wales
Disability:
Record Type: Household
Family History Library Film: 1341628
The National Archives Reference: RG11
Piece/Folio: 2606 / 104
Page Number: 14
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Samuel Mitchell M 47 Cowley, Gloucestershire, Wales
Wife Eliza Mitchell F 45 Little Dewchurch, Herefordshire, Wales
Daughter Louisa Ann Mitchell F 11 Sellack, Herefordshire, Wales
Daughter Gertrude Edith Mitchell F 8 Caerwent, Monmouthshire, Wales
Son Alfred John Mitchell M 5 Caerwent, Monmouthshire, Wales
Son Ernest Arthur Mitchell M 1 Leinthall Earls, Herefordshire, Wales
But I cannot see much before her marriage/surname change as there's lots! of Herefordshire Christenings for Eliza Jones' born abt 1837.
However the following deserves comparison with Samuel's 1861 Census above, I wonder if this is our Eliza who was also born abt 1837, or a relation, despite the fact that Eliza became Mitchell before this Census. At least I suggest deserves a look at the full household when possible.
"England and Wales Census, 1861,"
Name: Elizabeth Jane Jones
Event: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Female
Age: 24
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Leintwardine, Herefordshire
Record Type: Household
Registration District: Ludlow
Sub-district: 1 Leintwardine
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish: Leintwardine
County: Shropshire
Similarly who's this ?
"England and Wales Census, 1861,"
Name: Eliza Jones
Event: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Female
Age: 25
Relationship to Head of Household: Lodger
Birthplace: Cardiff, Gloucestershire
Record Type: Household
Registration District: Ludlow
Sub-district: 1 Leintwardine
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish: Leintwardine
County: Shropshire
Cardiff Glos is either an error wrt Cardiff Wales, or refers to Walton Cardiff which is a small parish south of Tewkesbury.
Samuel Mitchell Household, Kings Caple 1911 Census.
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Thursday, August 16, 2012, 04:16 (4478 days ago) @ Jefff
Using the current free access to 1911 Census via Ancestry, can find Ida's parents alive and enjoying old age at New Millditch, Kings Caple, Nr Herefordshire.
Samuel is a "Coal salesman"
As well as Eliza also present are their sons,
Henry Edward Mitchell aged 52, born Kings Caple, Herefordshire, England, a domestic gardener and single.
Alfred John Mitchell aged 35, born Llanvair, Monmouthshire, Wales, a farm labourer and single.
The fifth & final member of the household is Grandson Thomas William Mitchell age 6, so born abt 1905.
I wonder if this is Ida's son (while she is currently working at the George Hotel, Ross) ?.
Either way in this household it clearly wasn't considered essential for the children to marry.