Hi everyone,
following a recent visit to the Records Office in Gloucester, researching the Hawkins family in Awre/Blakeney/Viney Hill, I have come across a Jane Turley claiming poor relief for her base child in 1803 in Awre.
Has anyone else who has looked into the Turley family of Blakeney/Awre, come across a Jane, who might have had an illegitimate child in 1803?
A suspicion is that she (Jane) is the illegitimate daughter of Sarah Hawkins, who later married Edward Turley, as she is referred to as both Jane Hawkins and Jane Tirley/Turley in subsequent birth and marriage records. The estimate of her birth is about 1779, which would have been before Sarah and Edward's marriage in 1783.
She later married Thomas Clay, and had children Hannah, William, Thomas and George.
My link in is that Jane Hawkins has a "base son" John in Awre in 1803 (my husband's direct ancestor), before she married Thomas Clay, and we have been stuck at this point in the Hawkins line for many years now. My husband Andy posted on this site about John b1803 some years ago and we are still at the same point.
I know that the Turleys were numerous, in and around Blakeney in years after 1830 so I just wondered if anyone else had already spotted a Jane Turley born about 1779, as part of their research?
Many thanks in anticipation of any further help or suggestions, which would be very welcome!
Lisa.

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=2091

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Gloucestershire Marriage Index 1800 - 1837

Thomas CLAY married Jane TILEY - 10 March 1806 - Whitminster (by Banns) - previously known as WHEATENHURST
Only CLAY or TILEY marriage at Whitminster

(When Edward TURLEY married Sarah HAWKINS - 4 March 1783 at Awre - Edward's names in notes: either TIRLEY or FIRLEY)

which could? be the marriage at Thomas CLAY was born in Stonehouse, Glos (the other side of the Severn) 4.5 miles approx from Whitminster

1851 Glos. East Dean

CLAY

Thomas - 72 - Quarryman, born Stonehouse Glos
Jane - 74 - born Awre

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On the 1861 census, Jane living with her son George is next door to the Turley's at Blakeney Hill

Thanks for that. The previous topic was posted by my husband Andy. The information I have posted today was new, discovered at the records office.
That is the marriage of Thomas Clay and Jane Tirley, thanks for that too.

Any idea of where Jane Hawkins/Turley may come from? She must be local to Awre, to be able to claim poor relief for her child in 1803, but I can't find a baptism record at all.

Lisa

I don't know if this helps but my research into the Sterry family from those parts gives an indirect Turley-Hawkins link. It's bitty and some of it is cobbled from somebody else's research involving IGI. Only some pieces are corroborated by the transcribed parish records index on here or by any other sources, but I'll tell you what my scribbles say.

Mary Ann Sterry, born c. 1823, married Edward Turley born c. 1916, whose father was Thomas Turley born c. 1796 whose wife's forename was Nancy. I don't have her surname. That gives you a Turley of possibly close relationship to the Jane you're looking at, although I haven't turned up a Jane myself.

Mary Ann Sterry's parents were William Sterry (c. 1794 Awre - 1866 Werstbury-on-Severn RD) and Ann nee Shaw (1793-1871 Westbury.)

The Shaws, like the Sterrys and Turleys, are recorded as an Awre family, but in those days Awre included Blakeney, and extended to Viney Hill, Blakeney Hill, Furnace Bottom and thereabouts.

Ann Shaw's parents were James Shaw (c. 1761-1819) and Christian nee Bevan born c. 1773. Christian's parents were Thomas Bevan and Christian Hawkins, both born c. 1731 Awre. The parents of Christian Hawkins were William Hawkins born c. 1742 and Elizabeth, maiden name unknown. The parents of William were Edward Hawkins who married Anne Bedoes or similar. Some sources give Edward as born Awre c. 1680 but I think the parish register gives him as "of Newland," and the Newland registers include an Edward Hawkins baptised there on 12 Sep 1651.

The Sterrys and the Turleys were prolific in the generation game, and in all the circumstances I'd be surprised if you couldn't eventually knit up Turley and Hawkins in several strands.

May be the marriage of Whitminster of Thomas CLAY to Jane TILEY - 10 March 1806 is the correct one - and more information would possibly be on the marriage entry.

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FOD records - Awre

Baptism

12 July 1796

Thomas TIRLEY - parents Edward - Sarah (nee HAWKINS)

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Marriage

10 October 1817

Thomas TIRLEY married Anne GEORGE

witnesses: mark of Sarah HAWKINS - Thomas DANIEL (Clerk)

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another previous thread

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=13381

Hello

You say "Ann Shaw's parents were James Shaw (c. 1761-1819) and Christian nee Bevan born c. 1773. Christian's parents were Thomas Bevan and Christian Hawkins, both born c. 1731 Awre. The parents of Christian Hawkins were William Hawkins born c. 1742 and Elizabeth, maiden name unknown."

I think its pretty unlikely that the father of Christian Hawkins, born c. 1731 was a man born in 1742 !!!

I've identified Christian's father as William Hawkins born circa 1713 at Huntley, Gloucestershire, the son of John and Elizabeth Hawkins. This William had familial connections with Awre.

William's brother John Hawkins born about 1710 at Huntley fathered children with a woman called Sarah at Awre and William and John's sister Elizabeth married Awre-resident Thomas Virgo in 1729 at Huntley and after being widowed married Benjamin Ricketts in 1745 at Awre.

Regards Ralph

Hi, Ralph. Thanks for your information.

By stating 1742 for William Hawkins' birth I've only managed to increase the confusion. It was a typing error and I meant 1702. Taken in isolation, that would solve the miracle of someone born in 1742 fathering someone in 1731.

However, I took my data from a remote female relative's tree on genesreunited, I don't know her source, and I am currently out of touch with her. I was relying on that tree to say that the parents of Christian Hawkins bpt 1731 were William Hawkins born c. 1702 (typed correctly this time!) and Elizabeth u/k also born around then, and that William's parents were Edward Hawkins of Newland and Ann nee Bedoes of Awre. Alas, now that I look through the transcribed Awre records on here, I can't see a William Hawkins baptised there any time around 1702. I begin to suspect myself of having adopted a 2+2=5 conclusion.

The Awre transcriptions on this site give Christian Hawkins as bpt Awre (Blakeney Chapel) on 4 June 1731 as daughter of William Hawkins, mother not stated. The transcriptions do give us a William Hawkins bpt Huntley 1713 as son of John and Elizabeth.

You obviously have a source enabling you to say that William, father of Christian, though born Huntley, had familial connections with Awre as well as enabling you to refer to the exploits at Awre of his brother John and sister Elizabeth. I've also noted that although the Awre baptismal record for Christian Hawkins in 1731 gives only the father, William, there is also a baptism there of Edward Hawkins, son of William and Elizabeth, in 1733 and Barrow Hawkins, son of William and Elizabeth, in 1738. (There is also a burial at Awre of Christian Hawkins, daughter of Edward, on 9 April 1755, which might be a case of a fairly unusual female first name being kept in the family.)

If, therefore, you can describe the strength of your source or sources, I might well be happy to repent of taking my line through from William Sterry and Ann nee Shaw to Edward Hawkins and Ann nee Bedoes and instead to take it up to John and Elizabeth Hawkins at Huntley.

The connection you describe between Awre and Huntley is all the more interesting for me because my earliest Sterry by paper trail is Richard Sterry who was married at Minsterworth in 1793 and fathered William Sterry the husband of Ann Shaw. Richard died at Awre and the Sterrys continued to lurk around Blakeney until gravitating to Lydney where some still lurk albeit by various surnames. Having been stuck at the 1793 wedding, we have recently proved by DNA that our line of Sterrey (as it is now spelt - my father's mother's line) is identical with that of the Longhope Sterrys going back to about 1660. You are now pointing to somewhat similar travel.

Carry this on by private e-mail if you prefer, or stay in this forum - I don't mind.

Regards
Peter