"I thought you would like this very similar one."

Ummmm ?!... and I thought ladies were the "fair"er sex ?.
;-)

Presume this is the full LDS (Family Search) hit you refer to ?

"British Columbia, Marriage Registrations, 1859-1932,"

name: Unsworth Rothwell
event: Marriage
event date: 14 Dec 1916
event place: Prince Rupert, British Columbia, Canada
age: 57
estimated birth year: 1859
birthplace: Lancaster, England
marital status: Widowed
residence:
father: William Rothwell
mother: Elizabeth Unsworth
spouse: Helene Bryant
spouse's age: 45
spouse's estimated birth year: 1871
spouse's birthplace: , England
spouse's marital status: Spinster
spouse's residence:
spouse's father: Samuel Bryant
spouse's mother: Elizabeth Hale
film number: 1984109
digital folder number: 004401582
image number: 00881
bc archives film number: B11388
reference number: 16 09 179419
banns or license: License

Apologies for not being uptodate wrt the prior thread, its quite possisble this post is full of "old news" to you, sorry if that is the case, please just ignore me as my family do....

I see you mentioned a Derbyshire link. Certainly, as I'm sure you've already done, searching various angles on LDS does show Derbyshire hits, is this relevant ?:

"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975,"
Mary Ellen Bryan, 1878

name: Mary Ellen Bryan
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 01 Sep 1878
baptism/christening place: Belper, Derbyshire, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Samuel Bryan
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Elizabeth
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I02367-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 2082647
reference number: item 4 p 49

Seems worth further inspection to me, perhaps ?.

-------

As an aside, I struggled to find one of my ancestors who claimed to be a Helena in her latter years. I eventually found her thro' the Census's, as a West Dean child of Welsh ancestry she had been recorded as Ellen, Helen and even Eleanor; Ellen I think seems a popular (and why not?) "Welsh" name ?. I wondered if she was trying to go "up market" and perhaps more "English" by becoming Helena ?.
Have you tried searching for Eleanors etc ?.

-------

With a nod towards the Pontypridd link in your Florrie thread I see on FreeBMD there are several Eliza/Elizabeth Bryants in South Wales abt 1860/1870, perhaps suggesting a family connection particularly given the Hale link ???

Could this be relevant ?

Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcriber
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Births Dec 1872
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BRYANT Eleanor Pontypridd 11a 337 Harold

(I cannot find an obvious marriage for Eleanor..)

Searching a possibly relevant Bryant/Hale marriage, this is "close";
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages Sep 1886 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BRYANT Samuel Keynsham 5c 983
HALE Emily Keynsham 5c 983

Shame this is rather early...altho no proof of Bryant/Hales marriage:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages Sep 1844 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BRYANT Samuel Westbury 11 559
CHARLES Caroline Westbury on Severn 11 559
DOBBS George Westbury on S 11 559
Hale Daniel Westbury S 11 559
Hale Elizth Westbury S 11 559
HEATH George Westbury on S'n 11 559
NICHOLLS Elizabeth Westbury on Severn 11 559
WILLIAMS Elizabeth Westbury on S 11 559

=================================================

Some possible food for thought, perhaps ?.
Hope it may help in some way, good luck with your quest Margaret.
(and I thought my family lines were challenging !!)

This Samuel dies before Helena's apparent birth in 1871

which helps with Helena being born circa 1865/66 in Cinderford area, despite her claims in Canada to be 4 or 5 years younger :-)

1891 Refreshment Rooms Trinity St Rail Station
Nellie Helena Bryars abt 1866 Senderford, Glouc, England Great Bolton, Lancashire Bar Assistant

which in turn was supported by the Cawthorne/lancashire link in her will/probate

<><><>

Year: 1823
Month: Oct
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: BRYAN
Child_Forenames: Samuel
Fathers_Forenames: Stephen
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Westbury
Occupation: Cordwainer
Officiating_Minister: Miles Coyle Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 80
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn

1841
Stephen Bryant abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Glou
Samuel Bryant abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Glou
Elina Bryant abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Glou

Year: 1844
Month: Jul
Day: 7
Grooms_Surname: BRYANT
Grooms_Forenames: Samuel
Grooms_Age: Full Age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Cordwainer
Grooms_Residence: East Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Bryant
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Stephen
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Cordwainer
Brides_Surname: HALE
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age: Full Age
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: East Dean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hale
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Samson Steel
Witness_2: Mary Ann Hale
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: G B Daubeny Off[iciatin]g Min[iste]r
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 45
Parish_Chapel: Flaxley

1851
Samuel Bryant abt 1825 Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England Head Extraparochial, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Bryant abt 1822 Littledean; Hill, Gloucestershire, England Wife Extraparochial, Gloucestershire
Eliza Bryant abt 1849 Dockham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Extraparochial, Gloucestershire
Samuel Bryant abt 1851 Dockham, Gloucestershire, England Son Extraparochial, Gloucestershire

BRYANT Eliza BRYANT BRYANT HALE 1848 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 9 45
BRYANT Samuel BRYANT BRYANT HALE 1851 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 11 148
BRYANT Henry BRYANT BRYANT HALE 1852 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 8 386
BRYANT Tom BRYANT BRYANT HALE 1854 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham
BRYANT Ellen BRYANT BRYANT HALE 1857 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 18 59

1861
Samuel Bryant abt 1826 Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England Head Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Bryant abt 1824 Lea Hamlet Wife Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire
Henry Bryant abt 1853 Lea Hamlet Son Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire
Ellen Bryant abt 1858 Lea Hamlet Daughter Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Bryant abt 1860 Lea Hamlet Daughter Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire
Amelia Saycell abt 1846 Lea Hamlet Servant Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire

Year: 1867
Month: Oct
Day: 7
Surname: BRYANT
Forenames: Samuel
Residence: Cinderford
Age_at_death: 44 years
Officiating_Minister: J.G.Smythies
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 in 1/12
Page_No: 94
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

<><><> tracking offspring to find Mother (?) or siblings

<><><> this looks like Ellen the image could be age 13 or 23 - I suspect its 13 looking at over "2"s on the page.
1871
Ellen Bryant abt 1848 Little Dean Servant Barton St Mary, Gloucestershire

Looks more like age 22 ( 1859) to me, and no E as second initial.
1881 Belmont House Wilmslow Road
Ellen E. Bryans abt 1861 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Servant Cheadle, Cheshire Domestic Svt Waitress

<><> Elizabeth 1860

1871 Risca South Wales
Parpant {SARGEANT} Hale 43 Police Officer Littledean
Harriet Hale 44 Flaxley
Elizabeth Bryant 11 Flaxley
Charles Williams 20 Woolaston

1881 Blackwood police Station South Wales
John Hale abt 1828 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Harriet Hale abt 1829 Flaxley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Bedwellty, Monmouthshire

<><> Henry 1852 Coleford/Cinderford

BRYANT Henry
LAMPERD Catharine
Forest of Dean Flaxley St Mary the Virgin
1889 1 345

Year: 1889
Month: Jul
Day: 8
Grooms_Surname: BRYANT
Grooms_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Age: 37
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: District of St. Stephen`s Woodside
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Bryant
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Boot maker
Brides_Surname: LAMPERD
Brides_Forenames: Catharine
Brides_Age: 24
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: District of St. Stephen`s Woodside
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Lamperd
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas Adams
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Albert Mayo
Witness_2: Mark of Mary Ann Knight
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: R St Crawley Boevey
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Both fathers deceased
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 173
Parish_Chapel: Flaxley

1891
William Tuck abt 1860 Abercorn, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Mynyddyslwyn, Monmouthshire
George Tuck abt 1884 Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Mynyddyslwyn, Monmouthshire
Joseph Tuck abt 1888 Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, Wales Mynyddyslwyn, Monmouthshire
Henry Bryant abt 1852 Sarderford, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Mynyddyslwyn, Monmouthshire
Catharine Bryant abt 1865 Salsbury, Wiltshire, England Boarder Mynyddyslwyn, Monmouthshire

1901
Henry Bryant abt 1853 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Abercarn, Monmouthshire
Catherine Bryant abt 1864 Salisbury, Wiltshire, England Wife Abercarn, Monmouthshire

1911 Newport Goal ?
Henry Bryant abt 1853 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Inmate Newport, Monmouthshire

1911 22 Graig St Pontypridd Glam
Henry Hursey 36 Lydbrook
Catherine Bryant 48 Salisbury
Myrlle May Ruby Maud Hursey 9/12
John Flood 43

--
Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Hi All,
After the brilliant success of the FOD SQUAD last week, piecing together the complicated life of Florence and Thomas Davey, I thought you would like this very similar one.

Helene BRYANT & Unsworth ROTHWELL
Marriage
14 Dec. 1916
Prince Rupert, BC, Canada
age 45
born England
Spinster
Father; Samuel Bryant
Mother; Elizabeth HALE

Helena eluded us in Feb. 2011, but has turned up on Family Search.
Prior thread was http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=30438

I have checked the early history of Samuel and Elizabeth Bryant, but I still can't find Helena, although there is a Helena HALE/PARRY Thread.

Can anyone help?

Regards,
Margaret

It is starting to feel like Helena is Ellen born 1857 -being less than honest about her age !

BRYANT Ellen
BRYANT HALE
1857 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 18 59

Year: 1858
Month: Feb
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: BRYAN
Child_Forenames: Ellen
Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Deans Hill
Occupation: Shoe maker
Officiating_Minister: J G Smythies
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 94
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

1861
Samuel Bryant abt 1826 Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England Head Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Bryant abt 1824 Lea Hamlet Wife Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire
Henry Bryant abt 1853 Lea Hamlet Son Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire
Ellen Bryant abt 1858 Lea Hamlet Daughter Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Bryant abt 1860 Lea Hamlet Daughter Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire
Amelia Saycell abt 1846 Lea Hamlet Servant Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire

this looks like Ellen the image could be age 13 or 23 - I suspect its 13 looking at other "2"s on the page.
1871
Ellen Bryant abt 1848 Little Dean Servant Barton St Mary, Gloucestershire

Heads north ->

Looks more like age 22 (1859) to me, and no E as second initial.
1881 Belmont House Wilmslow Road
Ellen E. Bryans abt 1861 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Servant Cheadle, Cheshire Domestic Svt Waitress

1891 Refreshment Rooms Trinity St Rail Station
Nellie Helena Bryars abt 1866 Senderford, Gloucestershire, England Great Bolton, Lancashire Bar Assistant

1901 Lancashire ?

1911 Derbyshire ?

--
Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>