Edward Percy PHILLIPS 1896-1942

I am looking for the grave of my paternal Grandfather, Edward "Percy" Phillips who was born in 1896 in Cinderford and died on 2nd June 1942 in Gloucester Royal Infirmary. I have a copy of his Death Certificate which states his residential address as Blaize Bailey, Newnham. My Father lost contact with his Father when his parents (Edward and Florence, nee ROBINS)divorced in 1926. I travelled to Cinderford/Newnham area last week and looked around several churchyards in the hope of finding him, with no luck, of course a lot of gravestones were unreadable. I have searched several websites in order to find him and have made many phone calls to no avail. I would be very grateful if someone could point me in the right direction as to where I might find any information.

Judy

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Hi Judy,
first may I offer my sympathies with your plight, I do hope we can help you. I see you've been using this site for some years so no doubt you've searched this sites PRs for your grandfather, altho it seems he's not here judging by my first look.

For completeness in case it helps the search, here's Edward's history as best as I can find using FreeBMD to find these Register Entries:

Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcriber
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Births Dec 1895
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Phillips Edward Percy Westbury S. 6a 234 mjc

So his birth was Registered sometime within the Quarter of Oct/Nov/Dec 1895 within Westbury on Severn District, much as you know of course.

Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
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Marriages Sep 1914 (>99%)
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Phillips Edward P Robbins Westbury S. 6a 647
Robbins Florence A M Phillips Westbury S. 6a 647

Also on GlosBMD:
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
PHILLIPS Edward Percy ROBBINS Florence Alice May Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office 1914 16 72

(Registry Office hence no Church PR on this site)

Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page Transcribers
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Deaths Jun 1942
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Phillips Edward P. 46 Gloucester C 6a 610 mauchline

I also find this Marriage Registration, is this your Edward, please ?. I ask as if we cannot find Edward, maybe finding Ada will lead us to him ?:

Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
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Marriages Dec 1930 (>99%)
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Newman Adalena M B Phillips Westbury S. 6a 594
Phillips Edward P Newman Westbury S. 6a 594

Confirmed by GlosBMD:
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
PHILLIPS Edward Percy NEWMAN Adalena Marjorie Beryl Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office 1930 21 72

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Have you considered searching where his parents are buried ?
Did he have any siblings, all clues may help ?

Searching the (Free, Ancestry) 1911 Census gives his family as:
Household at Belle Vue Rd, Cinderford (suggesting a probable St Stephens Church link ?)

Hubert Phillips Head abt 1872 39 Male Married 16yrs Coal Mine Examiner Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Florence M M Phillips Wife abt 1876 35 Female Married 16yrs Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Edward Percy Phillips Son abt 1896 15 Male Single, Post Office Messenger, Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Alexander B Phillips Son abt 1902 9 Male Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Doris May Phillips Daughter abt 1907 4 Female add Cinderford, Gloucestershire

C/o Ancestry, Hubert & Flo's marriage:
Hubert Phillips, Oct-Nov-Dec 1894, Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire
Florence Maud M Smith, Oct-Nov-Dec 1894, Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire.

So from FoD PRs:
Record_ID: 8036
Entry_Number: 353
Year: 1894
Month: Dec
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: PHILLIPS
Grooms_Forenames: Hubert
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Flaxley Mesne
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Phillips
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: SMITH
Brides_Forenames: Florence Maud May
Brides_Age: 18
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Flaxley Mesne
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Smith
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Edwin
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Builder
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Edwin Smith
Witness_2: Jane Mayo
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: F J Fulford
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 177
Parish_Chapel: Flaxley
Soundex_Groom: P412
Soundex_Bride: S530

I do not know if there is a Cemetery at Flaxley ??

Ancestry's "suggested records" include Adalena Newman, so I guess my suggested marriage is perhaps correct so may be a usefull lead ??

I see Edward is on an Ancestry Members Tree, is this yours ?. If not then contacting the Phillips Tree's owner may help (Sadly I cannot as don't have Ancestry membership)
I've searched the FoD Council site and he is not buried at either of their cemeteries at Cinderford or Coleford, as is expected given the date.

Searching FoD PRs for the family only gives:
Record_ID: 108633
Entry_Number: 67
Year: 1929
Month: Dec
Day: 26
Grooms_Surname: PHILLIPS
Grooms_Forenames: Alexander Bernard
Grooms_Age: 28
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation: Foreman in Rubber Works
Grooms_Residence: Newnham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: PHILLIPS
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Hubert
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Commercial Traveller
Brides_Surname: HARRIS
Brides_Forenames: Ethel May
Brides_Age: 24
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newnham
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [HARRIS]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [William]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [Signalman G W R]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: A E Harris
Witness_2: W[illia]m J Harris
Other_Witnesses: P Phillips
Officiating_Minister: John Clayton Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P228 IN 1/15
Page_Number: 34
Parish_Chapel: Newnham
Soundex_Groom: P412
Soundex_Bride: H620

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The following website contains some, but not all, of the Memorial Inscriptions for many Cemeteries in the County (I think the site has an emphasis on military-related burials ?). It may still be worth searching through, altho' I can confirm Edward is not listed at Arlingham, Alvington, Newnham, Lydney, Cinderford St Johns, Gloucester or Barnwood...
http://places.wishful-thinking.org.uk/GLS/MIs.html

Unfortunately this site doesn include Littledean, which is near Newnham ?.
Did you search there in your visit ?
http://www.cinderford-churches.org.uk/our-churches/st-ethelberts-littledean/

Searching the FoD PRs for Phillips' Burials in the mid C20th, I see a number in Chepstow Municipal Cemetery, not "too" far downriver from Newnham perhaps ?. However this website shows that Edward is not at rest there (probably no real surprise).
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/chepstowprt.htm

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So, I suspect nothing new here for you, sorry.
If Edward did marry again (Adalena ?) then do you know what became of her ?
That seems a worthwhile source of information.

Good luck, Jeff.

PS Have you tried the local Newnham History society, they may have Burial Records or a plan for the Cemetery, perhaps ?
http://www.newnhamonsevern.co.uk/living/groups/history-groupintro/

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Hi Jeff

Thank you so much for your prompt reply. First of all, yes it is my family tree on Ancestry, I have contacted 2 other members who have Edward in their trees but unfortunately no luck. The marriage registration to Adalena that you mentioned is to Edward's second wife, all we know about her is that she had 2 sons with Edward, Timothy b1933 and James b1936, confirmation I found through birth registrations on Ancestry. Apparently my Father had a visit from one of the sons some years ago and he was under the impression that he and my father were cousins! My Father died in March this year, aged 93, and for the last few years he suffered with alzheimers so sadly couldn't remember much about the family history. We found an old photo that Lena (Adalena) must have sent to Dad in 1946 and on the back had written, "me at the ripe old age of 37" taken in Middle Lypiatt near Stroud. I have looked for records of her without luck, I suppose as she was still a young woman she could have re-married after Edward died. As my father lost contact with Edward when his parents divorced (Dad was only 8 years old) he sadly also lost contact with the Phillips side of his family.
I must admit I hadn't considered looking into where Edwards parents were buried, which I will now do.
Over the years I have gained a wealth of information from the FoD site, and always look for information here first.
Thank you for suggesting the several websites and for taking the time to help me in the search for Edward.

Judy

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Hi Judy,
thanks for your helpful reply & kind words, yes this is a great website and a real Godsend to us all. I just wish my ramblings could have produced something more meaningful !. What a shame your father lived such a long life without knowing his full ancestry. Thanks for confirming about Adalena, a new name to me altho I wonder if it used to be quite a popular name albeit perhaps normally shortened to Ada or Lena, both far more wellknown of course.

Not much time tonight, sorry, but will try and post more tommorrow altho not sure what !?!. No doubt there are other forum members who will have better advice than mine to offer, no doubt you've already contacted Glos Council/ Hospital etc etc; I'm quite new to the whole FH subject in general and especially searching "recent" burials beyond what I posted last night.

So Adalena Marjorie Burgh(?Beryl) Newman (c/o your Ancestry Tree) was born abt 1909, and married Edward in 1930 aged 21. I cannot find her Birth on FreeBMD for sure unless she's rearranged her name ? Searching Ancestry 1911 Census this seems their preferred hit, is this her do you think ? Perhaps she favoured Adalena when adult after being called "Marj" as a child ? I presume her last name is difficult to transcribe, hence Burgh and not Beryl ? - why not Bertha after mother ??. Anyhow..

1911 Census: 16 South Avenue, South Twerton, Bath

Albert G Newman Head abt 1874 37 Male Married 6yrs Insurance Agent Widecombe, Somerset
Eva Maude Newman Wife abt 1882 Female Married 6yrs Hyde, Kent
Bertha Wynne Newman Daughter abt 1906 5 Female South Twerton, Bath, Somerset
Philip Sydney S Newman Son abt 1910 1 Male add South Twerton, Bath, Somerset Marjorie Adelina Newman Daughter abt 1910 1 Female South Twerton, Bath, Somerset
Sydney Newman Boarder abt 1882 29 Male Single Journeyman Plasterer Widecombe, Somerset
Adelaide Mary Newman Niece abt 1910 1 Female Single Widecombe, Somerset

So from FreeBMD:
Births Sep 1909
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Newman Marjorie Adelina B. Bath 5c 458 elsie

Which fits very well, of course,
Altho I'm tempted to favour this one given the locality:
??

1911 Census: Church St, Little Dean, nr Newnham, Glosshire

Joseph Newman Head abt 1881 30 Male Married 2yrs Grocer Littledean, Gloucestershire
Beatrice Maud Newman Wife abt 1885 26 Female Married 2yrs Littledean, Gloucestershire
Marjorie Newman Daughter abt 1909 2 Female Littledean, Gloucestershire
Annie Bonsor Servant abt 1897 14 Female Single servant Cinderford, Gloucestershire

HOWEVER c/o GlosBMD I see this Marjorie marries Ralph Jones in 1936, so NOT her !.

Please can you confirm that Marjorie A.B. Newman from Bath is correct, thanks ?.
It may help us if we can research her life after Edward's death ?

Her parent's marriage:
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Marriages Dec 1904
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Newman Albert George Bath 5c 1215
Stephens Eva Maude Bath 5c 1215

From FreeBMD I see Albert was born in Bath in 1874, and died there:

Deaths Mar 1951
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NEWMAN Albert G 77 Bath 7c 38

As did wife Eva:

Deaths Jun 1961 (99%)
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NEWMAN Eva M 79 Bath 7c 23

DID ADALENA move "back" to Bath to be with her parents ?. Would she have planned for Edward to be buried there in a double plot ?
Or did she go to one of her sons ?

I confirm these Births to Edward & Lena:

Surname Given Name Mother District Volume Page Transcriber

Births Mar 1933
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Phillips Timothy Newman Westbury S. 6a 357

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Births Sep 1936
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Phillips James H. Newman Westbury S. 6a 434 Hoppy

(Is the H for Hubert after Edward's father, I wonder ?)

I've tried searching FreeBMD for a possible son's Marriage in a District also containing a possible Burial for Lena, but no luck...

You say Lena is in Stroud in 1946, is this their James' Marriage I wonder, he'd be aged 22, but where's the "H" ?
A long shot I guess..

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
PHILLIPS James BROWN Valerie Stroud Selsley All Saints 1958 C35/1 405

Similarly, PERHAPS ??:

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
PHILLIPS Timothy F HILL Janet M D Stroud Cranham St James 1959 C12/3 7

BUT All these names are quite common, recorded initials are odd = UNLIKELY,
But could Lena hence Edward be buried in Stroud ??

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HOWEVER searching Ancestry for Lena I see it clearly suggests her death as:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Marjorie Adelena B Phillips
Birth: date
Death: dd mm 1984 - city, Berkshire, England

So bang goes the Stroud "theory", perhaps..... if you've not done so please can you obtain the full Death record from Ancestry, as I said I'm not a full member yet, thanks.

Hope this helps in some small way.
Atb til tomorrow, Jeff.

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Hi Jeff

I have the 1911 census that states a Marjorie Adalina Newman in Bath, Somerset, I'm not sure whether it is her but I also have this birth record, so maybe it is.

Name: Marjorie Adelin? B Newman
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1909
Registration district: Bath
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 458

I couldn't remember where I got the name BURGH from (Adalena Marjorie BURGH Newman) so I checked my records and found a letter that my father received in 1995 from a Solicitor who was tracing living relatives of Prof Charles Gordon PHILLIPS who died in 1991, in the letter it shows 4 generations of the PHLLIPS family (which was a good start for me)and states "Edward Percy PHILLIPS who was born 14th September 1895, who married firstly Florence Alice May ROBINS in 1914, secondly Adalena Marjorie Burgh NEWMAN in 1930 and who died in 1942". Until then Dad had no knowledge of his cousin. So that's where the Burgh comes in.

I know that one of Percy and Lena's sons who visited Dad years ago lived in Wales at the time. Now you know as much as I do about Lena, not a lot I know.

This is the Death Record for Lena:

Name: Marjorie Adelena B Phillips
Birth Date: 15 Aug 1909
Date of Registration: Jun 1984
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Reading and Wokingham
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 19

If it is her I don't know why she ended up in Berkshire. Unless she remarried but then her Surname would be different.

As for Stroud, I just don't know.

I will start on newspaper archives tomorrow and start with Cinderford Library.

It seems that Edward "Percy" is as elusive in death as he was in life.

Judy

Page: 378

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This is the Death Record for Lena:

Name: Marjorie Adelena B Phillips
Birth Date: 15 Aug 1909
Date of Registration: Jun 1984
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Reading and Wokingham
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 19

If it is her I don't know why she ended up in Berkshire.

This is possibly "right" for a Timothy born 1933

Name: Timothy Phillips
Mother's Maiden Surname: Newman
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1933
Registration district: Westbury S
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 357

Marriage
Name: Timothy Phillips
Spouse :Vera J Roser
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1958
Registration district: Windsor
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 383

(omit any details of possible children etc however there is a Mark Blakeney Phillips to consider. Further details sent off line)

In 1984 Phillips T is living at
164 Finchampstead Road, Wokingham RG41 2NX

In 2002 Vera J is living Wokingham , RG41

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Name: Vera J Roser
Mother's Maiden Surname: Spiers
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1932
Registration district: Chertsey
Inferred County: Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 152

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Hi Slowhands

Thank you for that information. I was wondering if that was Lena that died in Berkshire and now as you point out that possibly her son married in Berkshire it now looks certain that it is her.

Thanks again

Judy

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Thanks for that Slowhands,
so it seems probable that Lena passed her later years in the same Berkshire area as at least one of her sons, there may even be some living relatives still there for Judy to consider searching.
Re the quoted records, is it just me that gets annoyed that Ancestry still seem to think Westbury On Severn, as per your quoted Marriage record, is "in Shropshire" where I accept another "Westbury" but not "Westbury S" also is ??

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Judy,
thanks so much for adding to the thread re Lena, especially wrt the Burgh name, sorry for my asking so many questions it's not just down to my noseyness honest !. Last night I started searching FreeBMD on the assumption that Burgh was perhaps a surname she'd "gained" from a previous marriage, but my searches were without much success. I knew it was a surname as near us in West Drayton Middlesex is the De Burgh Arms pub immediately next to the old GWR mainline station, apparently it was an important family name locally. #

HOWEVER as per my earlier post the GlosBMD site have her name at marriage as "Beryl" !?; I therefore concluded that "Burgh" was a redherring due to an Ancestry transcription error, apologies for my mistake.
It would perhaps be good to know where GlosBMD got "Beryl" from.

During my searches of FreeBMD I found many mentions of the Newman name in the London area, which is along the GWR railway route from the Forest thro' Berkshire, which nowadays is commuter country down the socalled Thames Valley Corridor from London.
Perhaps this London "link" maybe why Lena lived in Berkshire ? Maybe she had links with Eton School, just across the Thames from Windsor. All speculation of course, altho this seems more likely than Stroud, perhaps.

Am I right in recalling the Ancestry searchpages suggested that Edward has military links ?, if so were these in Berkshire ??

# Re the De Burgh Arms pub, if like me you have a love of British comedy films not to mention all things 1950s then you may know the film "Genevieve" about the London - Brighton veteran car run. This website gives an interesting background to the making of the film, virtually all done not far from here ie Pinewood Studios. If you track down this site it shows photos of the pub as featured in the film.
http://www.donbrockway.com/Filming%20Locations.htm

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Jeff,

Yes it would be interesting to know how the name Beryl came about, maybe bad handwriting. I know some of the writing on census's is hard to make out.

It could be that Lena had family in London, and also as we think now that she originated in Bath, living in Berkshire she would be on the same railway line to go either way.
This information gives me more to get my teeth into! It would be nice to find out if I have family out there somewhere.

I remember the film Genevieve, I will have a look at the website, it'll give me a break from the family tree.

Judy

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I'm pleased to tell you that thanks to Slowhands I am now in touch with a member of the Phillips family - my half cousin. He understands that Edward was buried in an unmarked grave (his wishes) and he is going to get in touch with his father (Timothy) to find out the details, as well as send me some photographs of Edward. I am so grateful for the help I have received from Slowhands, Jeff and m p griffiths in my search. Keep up the good work. Judy

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Hi Judy, wow thats excellent news, welldone Slowhands!, many thanks Judy for updating us. I appreciate the desire was for an unmarked grave and that it's your family and NOT mine, but if you feel able to share the approximate location of the grave (eg Glos, Berks, etc) then I for one would be very interested to know.
However if not thats completely fine too of course, I'm just so very pleased you've found Percy at last !
Thanks again for posting, best wishes to you and yours, Jeff

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Hi Thanks Jeff
All I know at the moment is that his unmarked grave is somewhere in the FOD. my "new" half cousin is going to ask his father (Timothy - Edwards son) for details, then let me know.

Judy

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Excellent, glad he's "at home" after all our wondering and theories. Whats the betting you were only yards away during your search t'other week, ah well.
Really pleased for you, Jeff

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Hi
I had a phone call this morning from one of Edwards sons, and Edward is buried in St Peters churchyard in Newnham, and his wifes (Lena) ashes were scattered there too. I have the phone number of the vicar there, I got it when we visited the graveyard 2 weeks ago, so I will give her a ring. And yes I must have been quite close to him, I do hope I didn't walk over him as it's an unmarked grave.
I had a lovely chat and found out a bit more about Edward and the family and we exchanged stories, and have also got several e-mail addresses for other members of the family, including Edward's other son who lives in Brazil.
After months of looking I feel as though I've won the lottery!! This has all been made possible because of this wonderful site.

Thank you all so much.

Judy

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so I checked my records and found a letter that my father received in 1995 from a Solicitor who was tracing living relatives of Prof Charles Gordon PHILLIPS who died in 1991, in the letter it shows 4 generations of the PHLLIPS family (which was a good start for me)

Prof. (Charles) Gordon Phillips (1908-91) was born at Eton and educated privately,
continuing his studies at Nottingham University. He was assistant organist at St. John's,
Smith Square and subsequently organist and director of music at All Saints, Knightsbridge.
As organist of All Hallows-by-the-Tower in London he gave more than 3,200 lunchtime recital
and was also senior professor of organ and harpsichord at the London College of Music.

Name: Charles Gordon Phillips
Birth Date: 13 Oct 1908
Date of Registration: Oct 1991
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Hammersmith
Inferred County: London
Volume: 12
Page: 1616

1911 11 Elm Tree Avenue W B Nottingham

Alfred Enoch Phillips 43 Ruarden Baptist Miniter
Martha Phillips 37 Paddington
Charles Gordon Phillips 2 Slough

1901
Alfred Enock Phillips abt 1868 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Wellingborough, Northamptonshire
Martha Phillips abt 1874 Paddington, London, England Wife Wellingborough, Northamptonshire

1891
Wm Willstead abt 1824 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Willstead abt 1835 Aston, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alfred E Phillips abt 1868 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepson East Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph Phillips abt 1870 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepson East Dean, Gloucestershire
Hubert Phillips abt 1872 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepson East Dean, Gloucestershire
Albert Phillips abt 1874 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepson East Dean, Gloucestershire

1881
Emma Phillips abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Head Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire
Joseph Phillips abt 1870 Gloucestershire, England Son Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire
Hubert Phillips abt 1872 Gloucestershire, England Son Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire

Alfred Phillips abt 1867 Gloucestershire, England Scholar Bristol St Augustine, Gloucestershire

1871 Ruardean Hill
Henry Phillips 39 Wigpool
Emma Phillips 38 Gorseley
George Phillips 18 Drybrook
Elizabeth Phillips 16 Morse
Thos Phillips 15 Ruardean Hill
Mary Jane Phillips 13 Ruardean Hill
Rbeda Phillips 11 Little Hill
Ellen Phillips 9 Ruardean Hill
Enoch Phillips 3 Ruardean Hill
Joseph Phillips 1 Year, 3 Months Ruardean Hill

1861
Henry Philips abt 1831 Bailey, Herefordshire, England Head Flaxby, Littledean and Newnham, Gloucestershire
Emma Philips abt 1833 Lereshly, Herefordshire, England Wife Flaxby, Littledean and Newnham, Gloucestershire
George Henry Philips abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Flaxby, Littledean and Newnham, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Ann Philips abt 1854 Penle, Herefordshire, England Daughter Flaxby, Littledean and Newnham, Gloucestershire
Thomas William Philips abt 1856 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Flaxby, Littledean and Newnham, Gloucestershire
Mary Jane Philips abt 1859 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Flaxby, Littledean and Newnham, Gloucestershire
Rhoda Philips abt 1860 Exherrshial, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Flaxby, Littledean and Newnham, Gloucestershire

Year: 1852
Month: Feb
Day: 14
Grooms_Surname: PHILIPPS
Grooms_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Drybrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Philipps
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: HOOK
Brides_Forenames: Emma
Brides_Age: 18
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Drybrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hook
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Farm Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Signed
Witness_1: Henry Griffiths
Witness_2: Elizabeth Threfell
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry G. Nicholls
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 55
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1851
Henry Phillips abt 1830 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger East Dean, Gloucestershire

1841 Wigpool / Lea Bailey
John Phillips abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Mary Phillips abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Henry Phillips abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Isabella Phillips abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Ellin Phillips abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

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Heres a little more detail about Gordon's impressive musical career, and a photo.

http://www.animusi.co.uk/page15.htm

http://www.animusi.co.uk/USERIMAGES/img024.jpg

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Thank you for that, he seemed to be a very talented musician and composer. It's a pity Dad didn't know him when he was alive, he must have been a very interesting person. He and his wife Brenda Cooper never had children, hence the letter Dad received from the Solicitor tracing living relations.

Judy

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Name: Edward P Phillips
Birth Date: abt 1896
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1942
Age at Death: 46
Registration district: Gloucester City
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 610

1911 Belle Vue Rd, Cinderford
Hubert Phillips 39 Ruardean
Florence M M Phillips 35 Cinderford
Edward Percy Phillips 15 Cinderford
Alexander B Phillips 9 Cinderford
Doris May Phillips 4 Cinderford

1901 Upper Bilson
Hilbert Phillips abt 1873 Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Florence M Phillips abt 1877 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edward P Phillips abt 1896 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Welstead abt 1835 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Mother East Dean, Gloucestershire
Agnes E Vick abt 1872 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Visitor East Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: Edward Percy Phillips
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1895
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 234

and now the relationship to Hubert and Emma becomes clear

Year: 1881
Month: Oct
Day: 9
Grooms_Surname: WILLSTEAD
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: 58
Groom_Condition: Widower (Bac
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Cinderford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Willstead
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Cha[rle]s
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miller
Brides_Surname: PHILLIPS
Brides_Forenames: Emma
Brides_Age: 47
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Cinderford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hook
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Tho[ma]s
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks; she signs
Witness_1: Edwin Cannock
Witness_2: Emily Cannock
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Lynes Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 163
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

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Thanks for that.

Incidentally Joseph PHILLIPS and Alfred "Enoch" PHILLIPS 1868-1940(one of his many siblings) were both ordained Baptist Ministers and at different times both preached at Cinderford Baptist Church.

Judy

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Another option is going through the local Newspaper Archives for his Obituary - as if there is one, this should state where the Funeral Service took place + interment information/and afterwards may be the report of the funeral , who attended and floral tributes.

I have both of these i.e. Death Announcement/and after the funeral took place of my Grannie who died in 1949 in Swindon, Wiltshire which lists Mourners (some from Blakeney), which has been very useful for family grouping.

Back numbers of Newspapers are sometimes held in the local Reference Library/Record Offices etc.

Gloucestershire Newspapers - Guide from the Gloucestershire Records Office -

http://www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/archives/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=24402&p=0

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Hi MPG, thanks for your great suggestion, I'm ashamed I didn't think of that !
THANKS especially for the link to the Glos Archives Document, VERY usefull especially wrt the "DF Mercury" now "Forester" Archives held by Cinderford Library which would have covered Newnham. Only a few weeks ago I was quizzing The Forester staff(my sister) on this very subject and had decided to ask the Library for precise clarification, thanks for saving me wasting their valuable time.
Current contact details for Cinderford Library are in link below. My recent experiences show they are still bedevilled by technical problems wrt the Council website contact pages and direct emails, but the excellent staff at Cinderford are great once they receive a phonecall, letter or a personal visit of course, ably led by Lisa Robinson.
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=34751

Another possible course would be the British Newspaper Archive site, see this thread, altho this Burial may be too recent to be covered by their archives.
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=36879

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Thanks for that, I have touched briefly into old newspapers, but having looked at the website that you recommended it looks like the best bet is contacting Cinderford Library as it mentioned several local papers. I can remember Dad speaking about the Mercury years ago so maybe start there. I will make start with the library tomorrow.
Thanks once again.

Judy

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Hi Judy,
yes the DF Guardian was the main Forest paper every Thursday from the 1870s until becoming the Lydney Observer & the DF Mercury in the 1920s and then The Forester in 1990. Until around 12 years ago The Forester was printed on the same beautiful old press at the same premises in Cinderford just a few yards down from the Library premises. (As a mechanical engineer I was delighted to see the old press working while still at the old office, nowadays of course its all done far more efficiently using that noofangled electrickery).
www.theforester.co.uk

The other local newspaper over much the same timescale is the daily Citizen based in Gloster, it is archived in the aforementioned BNA website.
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/contact.html

I'm confident a search of the Mercury archive at Cinderford Library will be productive for you, especially as you have a good idea of the issue dates you're after. I suggest you try and visit the Library during a weekday if possible, it's so much busier on a Saturday morning, especially if you want to browse their good selection of local history books(see their website catalogue). I think the Library prefer advance booking to use the microfiche readers, especially Saturdays. If you prefer to see the original newspapers themselves, the Forester office do accept visitors (early in the week, please) but note the papers are large broadsheets bound in heavy leather covers, so handling and especially photocopying is awkward and space is limited. Please contact them in advance first via this email which goes to my sister Sally Coleman or her colleague, adverts AT theforester.co.uk

Wishing you all the best with your search, please revisit the thread to update us if you can, thanks.
Jeff.

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Hi Jeff

Thank you for all your help and suggestions. I will certainly start the search through the newspapers tomorrow, not sure when I can travel to Cinderford again, but hopefully in the near future.

Again, thanks and keep up the good work.

Judy

PS And yes I will certainly let you know when (not if) I find Edward Percy!

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