Lucy BROACHER - 1858 (General)
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=36871
This is very interesting. If my research is correct John and Charlotte Brocher are my 3x great-grandparents.
Their daughter, Lucy Brocher, moved to America and married my great great grandfather who had moved from Ireland.
My records show the John Brocher's parents were Mary (born in 1791) and William Brocher (born in 1781).
I know that Lucy Brocher was born in "England" in April 1858 - can anyone help me with more specifics?
Thank you!
Lucy BROACHER - 1853 (BANKS)
by m p griffiths 
, Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 15:21 (4422 days ago) @ unknown
Just 'throwing this in' as 58 might be 53 and an April birthdate !!!- Did Lucy have a middle name?
1861 Census, Glos Fretherne
Transcribed as GROTHER
BROCHER
Charlotte - wife - 36, born Morton Valance
Celia - 13 - Fretherne
Lucy L - 8 - born Fretherne
Mary J - 4 born Saul
Caroline M - 7 - born Fretherne
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Gloucestershirebdm
Lucy Long BROACHER, 1853, Frampton, mother's maiden name BANKS
Freebdm
April/May/June Qtr 1853
BROACHER, Lucy Long - District: Wheatenhurst - Volume 6a Page 247
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1871 Census - transcribed on Ancestry as BISCHER
Fretherne
John 48 - Fisherman - born Fretherne
Charlote - 46 - born Moreton
William H - 20
Frey L - 17 (this is Lucy)
Caroline - 11
Charlote - 8
Turria - 5
Samual J - 6 months
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Gloucestershire bdm - mother's maiden name BANKS.
Gloucester, Frampton
BROACHER - Caroline Matilda - 1859
BROACHER Charlotte Lavina - 1862
BROACHER Lucy Long - 1853
BROACHER Mary Jane - 1857
BROACHER Selina Celia - 1847
BROACHER William Henry - 1851
BROCHER Enos - 1844
BROCHER Lemuel John - 1870
BROCHER Thirza Jenetta - 1866
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Had a quick look at baptisms at Moreton Valance St Stephen (BANKS)
Just one
Elizabeth BANKS - 1 August 1819
Samuel (Waterman) & Esther
possibly Caroline's parents - as she did name a son Samuel -
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? 1841 Census Saul
Canal Row
BANKS
Hester 64
William 33 - Waterman
James - 30
Charles - 20
Samuel - 37
Ann - 35
Lucy BROACHER - 1853 (-Parents
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 16:32 (4422 days ago) @ m p griffiths
Just 'throwing this in' as 58 might be 53 and an April birthdate !!!- Did Lucy have a middle name?
1861 Census, Glos Fretherne
Transcribed as GROTHER
BROCHER
Charlotte - wife - 36, born Morton Valance
Celia - 13 - Fretherne
Lucy L - 8 - born Fretherne
Mary J - 4 born Saul
Caroline M - 7 - born Fretherne
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GloucestershirebdmLucy Long BROACHER, 1853, Frampton, mother's maiden name BANKS
FreebdmApril/May/June Qtr 1853
BROACHER, Lucy Long - District: Wheatenhurst - Volume 6a Page 247
----1871 Census - transcribed on Ancestry as BISCHER
FretherneJoh 48 - Fisherman - born Fretherne
Charlote - 46 - born Moreton
William H - 20
Frey L - 17 (this is Lucy)
Caroline - 11
Charlote - 8
Turria - 5
Samual J - 6 months
Name: John Brocker
Name: Charlotte Banks
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1844
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 11
Page Number: 377
1851
John Brocker abt 1825 Saul, Gloucestershire, England Head Fretherne, Gloucestershire
Charlote Brocker abt 1825 Shorton Valene, [MORTON VALANCE] Gloucestershire, England Wife Fretherne, Gloucestershire
Selina Brocker abt 1848 Fretherne, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Fretherne, Gloucestershire
Henry Brocker abt 1850 Fretherne, Gloucestershire, England Son Fretherne, Gloucestershire
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
Lucy BROACHER - 1853 (BANKS)
Thanks for all the great info! Yes, I am new here, as of today. This thread that turned up today when I googled in the past hadn't been posted yet! Most of the info I've gathered is from familysearch and ancestry from back in the spring. We are making our way to England (The Cotswolds) for the first time soon and I thought it would be worth visiting these nearby towns of family significance...
I don't know Lucy's middle name. But my research does show that her mother's maiden name is Banks as you mentioned. Mother Sadie Dangerfield Banks and father Benjamin Banks. I don't have any birth/death dates or locations for them and I can't go further back.
It would seem that you are also correct that Lucy's birthdate is 1853, not 1858. I don't know the meaning of her middle name "Long." I assume it is a family name for a family I have not yet discovered! I believe she left England in 1874/75.
I have to familiarize myself with how to use this site as it obviously has a lot of good information and helpful people.
Thanks again!
Benjamin BANKS/Seiley LONG/DANGERFIELD - Marriage 1819
by m p griffiths , Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 20:46 (4422 days ago) @ unknown
'mother Sadie DANGERFILED BANKS and father Benjamin BANKS'
Checked my Gloucestershire Marriage Index cd
Marriage at Moreton Valence - 19 March 1819
Benjamin BANKS to Seiley LONG
Can see one baptism Saul St James - 11 February 1830 - Ben
to Benjamin (Waterman) & Sealiss
also Mary LONG married Richard DANGERFIELD at Saul - 20 September 1801
Gloucestershire Burial Index - burials at Saul
two possibles
Richard DANGERFIELD - age 65 - 13 April 1837
Mary DANGERFIELD - age 73 - 13 May 1847
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1841 Census, Glos. Saul
Benjamin BANKS - 40 Waterman
Seelia - 40
Hester LONG - 45
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1851 Census Saul
Selia BANKS wife 50 - born Fretherne
Benjamin BANKS, son 23 Waterman
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1861 Census, Saul
Baldwins
BANKS
Benjamin BANKS - 62, Waterman, born Fretherne
Celia BANKS - 63
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1871 Census Saul
Baldwins Court
Benjamin BANKS - 76 - late Sailor, born Saul
Sealy - 74 - born Fretherne
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1871 Census Saul
BANKS
Benjamin - 42 Beerhouse Keeper, born Saul
Eliza - 40 - born Framilode
Anne E 14 - Saul
Kate - 12
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CLDS
Baptism at Saul - 28 December 1794
Benjamin BANKS, parents Thomas & Sarah
and
baptism at Fretherne - 24 June 1797
Cely LONG - (no parent name given)
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Gloucestershire Marriage CD pre 1800
two Thomas BANKS' marriages at Saul
Thomas BANKS to Sarah TILER - January 1789
and an earlier one
Thomas BANKS to Hannah LISLE - 9 October 1782
BANKS - Saul (Friends of Purton) + Youtube
by m p griffiths , Thursday, October 11, 2012, 08:45 (4422 days ago) @ m p griffiths
Interesting article: re Benjamin BANKS and wife Eliza - (1871 census, Benjamin BANKS 42 Beerhouse Keeper, wife Eliza 40)
http://www.friendsofpurton.org.uk/Docs/Thomas%20-%20Banks.pdf
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Friends of Purton
http://www.friendsofpurton.org.uk/
(site tour Sunday 21 October 2.00 p.m.)
also on Youtube
Purton Shipwreck Hulks, Purton, Gloucestershire
with John CRAVEN interviewing Paul BARNETT
Richard DANGERFIELD/Mary LONG
by m p griffiths , Thursday, October 11, 2012, 15:43 (4421 days ago) @ m p griffiths
'Mary LONG married Richard DANGERFIELD at Saul 20 September 1801'
1841 Census Saul
DANGERFIELD
Mary - 66
George - 41
Sarah - 36
Richard - 30
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Church of Latter Day Saints
Christenings at Saul - parents Richard & Mary DANGERFIELD
George - 30 May 1802 (there is criminal records for a George DANGERFIELD - bargeman - on Ancestry & GRO records)
Sarah - 22 March 1804
Richard - 25 January 1807
John - 7 May 1809
Joseph - 29 March 1812 (again criminal records for a Joseph DANGERFIELD - bargeman - on Ancestry & GRO records)
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1841 Census Saul
DANGERFIELD
Richard - unmarried - 42 - Waterman - all born Saul
John - brother unmarried - 40
Sarah - sister unmarried - 39
Benjamin BANKS/Seiley LONG/DANGERFIELD - Marriage 1819
Thank you for all your help! I'm going through all the info to piece together what makes chronological sense.
I noticed I made some errors in my haste during my last posting. Here is the correct info:
Lucy Long Brocher 1853-?, born in Frampton, England, died in US
parents: John Brocher 1826-?, Charlotte Banks Brocher 1825-1892 (she died in the US)
John Brocher's parents: William 1781-?, Mary 1791-?
Charlotte Banks Brocher's parents (as I have it but may be incorrect): Benjamin Banks ?-?, Sadie Dangerfield ?-?
Thank you again!
Enos BROCHER + BROCHER 1880 Census Massachusetts
by m p griffiths , Friday, October 12, 2012, 12:14 (4420 days ago) @ unknown
Enos BROCHER born 1843 -
GloucestershireBDM
married, Martha Emily Vincent JAMES - Framilode St Peter 1867
and births
Edwin Enos Vincent BROCHER - mother's maiden name JAMES - 1869 Frampton
Winifred Kate Netty BROCHER - 1871 Frampton
1871 Census, Arlingham
BROCHER
Emily 21 - married born Quedgley, Glos
Edwin - 2 - born Arlingham
Winifred - 3 (assume 3 months)
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1880 Census, Lowell, Middlesex, Massachusetts
BROCHER
Enos - 35, Watchman at Mill
born England
Emily - 30
Edwin E W - 11
Rosabella - 7 - born Massachusetts USA
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same census - and Lowell, Middlesex, Massachusetts
BROCHER
Mary - 50
Nettie - 14
Ernest - 11
Lemuel J - 9
and also Lowell, Middlesex
Harry BROCHER - age 20 - Watchman (assume this is William Henry - another brother)
Seem to have the correct family in previous replies.
Assume most of the family went to the USA around 1871/1874
Enos BROCHER + BROCHER 1880 Census Massachusetts
Lucy Brocher came to the US in 1874/75 where she met my Irish immigrant 2xgreat grandfather, Heron, and married. They lived in Lowell Massachusetts at the time of their deaths. I've never been able to find her immigration records.
I didn't know she had relatives other than her mother that came to the US. I imagined her father died and her mother came to live with her and her family.
Do you know where I could see Lucy Brocher's baptismal records, if any, during my visit?
Enos BROCHER + BROCHER 1880 Census Massachusetts
by m p griffiths , Friday, October 12, 2012, 13:11 (4420 days ago) @ unknown
You can obtain a birth certificate from the General Records office - quoting all relevant information (in an earlier reply)
or by contacting
GloucestershireBDM
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/
and can download an application form
1853
BROACHER Lucy Long
BROACHER
mother's maiden name: BANKS
District: Gloucester
Office: Gloucester Frampton
Register: 5
Entry: 471
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Call this baptism up on the above website - and quote all the information.
The service from this Office is very quick.
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The Gloucester Records Office is also well worth a visit.
Searching Lucy BROACHER (Severnside)
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 15:28 (4422 days ago) @ unknown
Hi and welcome to this great forum.
Sadly I've only got a minute between jobs, but as I have no access to the subscription sites (Ancestry etc) I rely heavily on this site's PRs which don't appear to have Lucy, plus Glos BMD and FreeBMD which fortunately gives excellent coverage to our neck of the woods.
Searching FreeBMD for Lucy Broachers/Brocher only gives the folowing few hits which may well be some of "yours", given that I've searched all the UK records(on FreeBMD that is!) and they are in the correct Wheatenhurst area:
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Births Jun 1853
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Broacher Lucy Long Wheatenhurst 6a 247
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Births Jun 1889
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Brocher Lucy Wheatenhurst 6a 321
Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
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Marriages Sep 1915
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Brocher Lucy A Winter Wheatenhurst 6a 953
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/wheatenhurst.html
From GlosBMD I find a little more detail:
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
BROACHER Lucy Long BROACHER BROACHER BANKS 1853 Gloucester Gloucester, Frampton 5 471
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
BROCHER Lucy BROCHER BROCHER WILLIAMS 1889 Gloucester Gloucester, Frampton 15 83
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
WINTER Richard Sidney BROCHER Lucy Amy Gloucester Framilode St Peter 1915 19 No 1 146
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx
Hope this helps, I'll leave you in MPG's very capable hands. Meanwhile I'm sure you'll quickly find more useful Brocher/Broacher info on these sites. I see the surname Brooker is far more commonplace, and there are a fair few hits in the Thames valley region eg Newbury & Reading, I wonder if these are perhaps linked to the Severnside ones perhaps thro the Thames, canals or the GWR ?.