Reginald V P MARSHALL 1916 - 1942 Tibberton area R I P (General)
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, February 21, 2013, 12:43 (4288 days ago)
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them
MARSHALL, REGINALD VERDUN PHILLIP
Rank:GunnerService No:974224
Date of Death:31/05/1942
Age:26
Regiment/Service:Royal Horse Artillery 1 Regt.
Panel ReferenceColumn 8.
MemorialALAMEIN MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of Robert and Matilda Marshall; husband of Agnes Eleanor Marshall, of Coalpit Heath, Gloucestershire.
Name: Reginald V P Marshall & Agnes E Griffiths
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1935
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 790
MARSHALL Reginald Verdun Philip
GRIFFITHS Agnes Eleanor
Gloucester Register Office
1935 46 71
Name: Reginald V P Marshall
Mother's Maiden Surname: Nash
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1916
Registration district: Newent
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 504
full address today -- 57 Brook Street Tredworth Gloucester GL1 4XD
1911 57 Brook St, Gloucester
Robert Marshall 42
Matilda Marshall 38 Tibberton
Robert George Marshall 16
Christopher Marshall 14
Rose Evelyn Marshall 13
Jessie Lilian Marshall 10
Florence Hester Marshall 8
Emily Eliza Marshall 4
Clarice Matilda Marshall 3
1901
Robert Marshall abt 1868 Hontley, Gloucestershire, England Head Newent, Gloucestershire
Matilda Marshall abt 1874 Tibberton, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newent, Gloucestershire
Robert Geo Marshall abt 1895 Tibberton, Gloucestershire, England Son Newent, Gloucestershire
Cristopher Marshall abt 1897 Honley, Gloucestershire, England Son Newent, Gloucestershire
Rose Evelyn Marshall abt 1898 Honley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newent, Gloucestershire
Jessie Lilian Marshall abt 1900 Tibberton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newent, Gloucestershire
MARSHALL Robert
NASH Matilda
Tibberton Holy Trinity
1895 68 No 1 132
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
Robert MARSHALL 1811 - 1899 Huntley; Shoemaker
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, February 21, 2013, 13:09 (4288 days ago) @ slowhands
Year: 1899
Month: Apr
Day: 20
Surname: MARSHALL
Forenames: Robert
Residence: Huntley
Age_at_death: 87
Officiating_Minister: E K Venner Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P184 1/15
Page_No: 7
Parish_Chapel: Huntley
1891
Robert Marshall abt 1812 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Head Huntley, Gloucestershire Cordwainer
Eliza Marshall abt 1836 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Huntley, Gloucestershire
Robert Marshall abt 1868 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley, Gloucestershire
Alice Marshall abt 1879 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Huntley, Gloucestershire
1881
Robert Marshall abt 1812 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Head Huntley, Gloucestershire
Eliza Marshall abt 1836 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Huntley, Gloucestershire
Robert Marshall abt 1868 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley, Gloucestershire
Charles Marshall abt 1870 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley, Gloucestershire
Caroline Marshall abt 1872 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Huntley, Gloucestershire
Ada Marshall abt 1877 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Huntley, Gloucestershire
Alice Marshall abt 1879 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Huntley, Gloucestershire
1871 Huntley
Robert Marshall 59
Eliza Marshall 35
Matilda Marshall 10
Rosa Marshall 8
Emily Marshall 5
Robert Marshall 3
Charles Marshall 1
1861
Robert Marshall abt 1813 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Head Huntley, Gloucestershire
Eliza Marshall abt 1835 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Huntley, Gloucestershire
Matilda Marshall abt 1860 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Huntley, Gloucestershire
Year: 1860
Month: Mar
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: MARSHALL
Grooms_Forenames: Robert
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: widower
Grooms_Occupation: shoemaker
Grooms_Residence: Huntley
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: MARSHALL
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Jonas [JAMES]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: labourer
Brides_Surname: HARPER
Brides_Forenames: Eliza
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Huntley
Brides_Fathers_Surname: HARPER
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: carpenter
Licence_or_Banns: [not stated]
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Job Wilkes
Witness_2: Mary Ann Wilks
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Daniel Capper rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P184 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 35
Parish_Chapel: Huntley
1851
Robert Marshall abt 1812 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Head Newent, Gloucestershire
Ann Marshall abt 1820 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newent, Gloucestershire
Matilda Marshall abt 1840 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newent, Gloucestershire
William Marshall abt 1842 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Son Newent, Gloucestershire
1841
Robert Marthale abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Newent, Gloucestershire
Ann Marthale abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Newent, Gloucestershire
Robert Marthale abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Newent, Gloucestershire
Matilda Marthale abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Newent, Gloucestershire
Year: 1833
Month: Dec
Day: 30
Grooms_Surname: MARSHALL
Grooms_Forenames: Robert
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newent
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: EVANS
Brides_Forenames: Anne
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newent
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Richard Smith
Witness_2: Mark of Sarah Evans
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: James Archibald Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P225 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 119
Parish_Chapel: Newent
Year: 1811
Month: May
Day: 5
Parents_Surname: MARSHAL
Child_Forenames: Robert
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Rich[ard] Foley
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: Any abbreviated forenames have been expanded to the full name
Register_Reference: P184 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 21
Parish_Chapel: Huntley
possible siblings and parents:-
1797 MARSHALL Elizabeth James Elizabeth Huntley
1800 MARSHAL John James Elizabeth Huntley
1802 MARSHALL Richard James Elizabeth Taynton
1805 MARSHAL William James Elizabeth Taynton
1808 MARSHAL Ann James Eliz[abeth] Huntley
1814 MARSHALL Charles James Elizabeth Huntley labourer Huntley
Year: 1793
Month: Nov
Day: 13
Grooms_Surname: MARSHALL
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: GITTENS
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: Oct 27 Nov 3 & 10
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: John Smith
Witness_2: Sarah Blewet
Other_Witnesses: Ann Baylis
Officiating_Minister: John Evans Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P184 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 20
Parish_Chapel: Huntley
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
Richard MARSHALL 1802 - 1872 Huntley -> USA
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, February 21, 2013, 17:20 (4288 days ago) @ slowhands
possible siblings and parents:-1797 MARSHALL Elizabeth James Elizabeth Huntley
1800 MARSHAL John James Elizabeth Huntley
1802 MARSHALL Richard James Elizabeth Taynton
1805 MARSHAL William James Elizabeth Taynton
1808 MARSHAL Ann James Eliz[abeth] Huntley
1814 MARSHALL Charles James Elizabeth Huntley labourer HuntleyYear: 1793
Month: Nov
Day: 13
Grooms_Surname: MARSHALL
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: GITTENS
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: Oct 27 Nov 3 & 10
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: John Smith
Witness_2: Sarah Blewet
Other_Witnesses: Ann Baylis
Officiating_Minister: John Evans Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P184 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 20
Parish_Chapel: Huntley
1841
Richard Marshall abt 1801 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Jane Marshall abt 1801 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Richard Marshall abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Mary Marshall abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Kate Marshall abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
1851
Richard Marshall abt 1802 Huntley, Wiltshire, England Head Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Jane Marshall abt 1797 Pershore, Worcestershire, England Wife Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Richard Marshall abt 1836 Cheltenham Son Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
George Marshall abt 1839 Ashton Keynes, Wiltshire, England Son Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
1861
Richard Marshall abt 1801 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Head Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Jane Marshall abt 1797 Pisher, Worcestershire, England Wife Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Death 10 JUL 1872 in St. Patrick's Cemetery in Cambridge NY USA
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
John MARSHALL 1800 - 1875 Huntley
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, February 21, 2013, 17:30 (4288 days ago) @ slowhands
possible siblings and parents:-1797 MARSHALL Elizabeth James Elizabeth Huntley
1800 MARSHAL John James Elizabeth Huntley
1802 MARSHALL Richard James Elizabeth Taynton
1805 MARSHAL William James Elizabeth Taynton
1808 MARSHAL Ann James Eliz[abeth] Huntley
1814 MARSHALL Charles James Elizabeth Huntley labourer HuntleyYear: 1793
Month: Nov
Day: 13
Grooms_Surname: MARSHALL
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: GITTENS
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: Oct 27 Nov 3 & 10
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: John Smith
Witness_2: Sarah Blewet
Other_Witnesses: Ann Baylis
Officiating_Minister: John Evans Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P184 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 20
Parish_Chapel: Huntley
1841
John Marshall abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Huntley, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Marshall abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Huntley, Gloucestershire
Edwin Marshall abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Huntley, Gloucestershire
William Marshall abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Huntley, Gloucestershire
Ann Marshall abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Huntley, Gloucestershire
Fredrick Marshall abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Huntley, Gloucestershire
1851
John Marshall abt 1800 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Head Huntley, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Marshall abt 1806 St Nicholas, Gloucestershire, England Wife Huntley, Gloucestershire
Edwin Marshall abt 1830 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley, Gloucestershire
Ann Marshall abt 1835 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Huntley, Gloucestershire
Frederick Marshall abt 1839 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley, Gloucestershire
John Marshall abt 1842 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Marshall abt 1845 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Huntley, Gloucestershire
James Marshall abt 1847 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley, Gloucestershire
1861
John Marshall abt 1801 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Head Huntley, Gloucestershire
Maryann Marshall abt 1811 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Wife Huntley, Gloucestershire
Edwin Marshall abt 1836 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley, Gloucestershire
Ann Marshall abt 1841 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Huntley, Gloucestershire
Fredrick Marshall abt 1843 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley, Gloucestershire
John Marshall abt 1845 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Marshall abt 1847 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Huntley, Gloucestershire
James Marshall abt 1849 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley, Gloucestershire
1871 Dursley Cross, Longhope
John Marshall 70
Ann Marshall 35
Frederick Marshall 30
James Marshall 20
Year: 1875
Month: Nov
Day: 22
Surname: MARSHALL
Forenames: John
Residence: Longhope
Age_at_death: yrs 75
Officiating_Minister: Henry Miles Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: 0
Register_Reference: 18416
Page_No: 80
Parish_Chapel: Huntley
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
Charles MARSHALL 1814 - 1890 Huntley
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, February 21, 2013, 17:40 (4288 days ago) @ slowhands
possible siblings and parents:-1797 MARSHALL Elizabeth James Elizabeth Huntley
1800 MARSHAL John James Elizabeth Huntley
1802 MARSHALL Richard James Elizabeth Taynton
1805 MARSHAL William James Elizabeth Taynton
1808 MARSHAL Ann James Eliz[abeth] Huntley
1814 MARSHALL Charles James Elizabeth Huntley labourer HuntleyYear: 1793
Month: Nov
Day: 13
Grooms_Surname: MARSHALL
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: GITTENS
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: Oct 27 Nov 3 & 10
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: John Smith
Witness_2: Sarah Blewet
Other_Witnesses: Ann Baylis
Officiating_Minister: John Evans Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P184 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 20
Parish_Chapel: Huntley
1841
Elizabeth Marshall abt 1771 Gloucestershire, England Huntley, Gloucestershire
Charles Marshall abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Huntley, Gloucestershire
1851
Charles Marshall abt 1815 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Head Huntley, Gloucestershire
Mary Marshall abt 1815 Linton, Herefordshire, England Wife Huntley, Gloucestershire
1861
Elizabeth Marshall abt 1771 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Head Huntley, Gloucestershire
Charles Marshall abt 1815 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley, Gloucestershire
Year: 1867
Month: Aug
Day: 1
Surname: MARSHALL
Forenames: Elizabeth
Residence: Huntley Hill
Age_at_death: 96
Officiating_Minister: Henry Miles Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: 18416
Page_No: 70
Parish_Chapel: Huntley
1871 Huntley,
Charles Marshall 56
Mary Marshall 56
Ellen Green 5
1881 White Hall
Charles Marshall abt 1815 Huntly, Gloucestershire, England Head Taynton, Gloucestershire
Mary Marshall abt 1819 Linton, Hereford, England Wife Taynton, Gloucestershire
Ellen Green abt 1864 Ross, Hereford, England Boarder Taynton, Gloucestershire
Jonathan Barns abt 1858 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Taynton, Gloucestershire
Alfred Jones abt 1875 Gloucestershire, England Boarder Taynton, Gloucestershire
William Hobe Bristol Boarder Taynton, Gloucestershire
Year: 1890
Month: Jun
Day: 18
Surname: MARSHALL
Forenames: Charles
Residence: Taynton
Age_at_death: 76
Officiating_Minister: Reginald Peacock Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: 18416
Page_No: 97
Parish_Chapel: Huntley
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
Robert Marshall - Huntley
by Griffin-lady , Thursday, February 21, 2013, 21:52 (4288 days ago) @ slowhands
MARSHALL :
All males have died young or have no issue. This is what I have so far:
JONAS MARSHALL - registered as the Grooms father in ROBERT MARSHALL'S (The Shoe Maker B-1812) second Marriage: - I cannot find any details of this man and therefor assume this name maybe wrong. It could be JAMES or JOHN ?
First Marriage.
ROBERT MARSHALL (B - 1812 D - 1899) - M - ANNE EVANS( B ? D-1858) MARRIED in 1833.
Robert's occupation is recorded as Master shoe maker. He appears as this on the Slater's 1868 Directory of Newent - Huntley and on marriage records for his and his children's marriages.
Robert and Anne had 3 children I can trace:
ROBERT MARSHALL (B - 1837) (D - 1857) Age 20 yrs.
MATILDA MARSHALL (B - 1839) (D- 1858) Age 19yrs.
WILLIAM EVANS MARSHALL (B-1841 - D?
Roberts first wife ANNE died in 1858 the same year as Matilda their daughter and only a year after Robert their first son.
Q - I would love to find out how and why they all died so close to each other and what happened to young William? Did he survive grow up and have children???? He appears as a 9 yr old on the 1851 Census.
Second Marriage
ROBERT MARSHALL (B-1812) -M- ELIZA HARPER ( B-1836 D-1915) in 1860
They had 8 children. - This is where it gets complicated. Their first girl and boy were named Robert and Matilda. There was only 2 boys:
Matilda (B-1861)
Emily (B-1862)
Rosa (B-1865)
Robert (B-1867)
Charles (B-1869)
Caroline (B-1872)
Ada (B-1876)
Alice (B-1878)
There are marriages registered for both of the boys in 1895.
CHARLES MARSHALL (B- 1869) married Edith Francis SMITH
I can only find one child a girl from this union -
MURIAL ROSE MARSHALL
CHARLES Married a second time in 1937
This time to MARY ROSE SMITH. There is no record of a child born to them
And they were both past child bearing years.
ROBERT MARSHALL (B-1867) -M- MATILDA NASH in 1895
They had 13 Yes THIRTEEN children between 1895 and 1916.
5 of these children were boys.
ROBERT GEORGE MARSHALL(B- 1895 D-1918 WW1 Age 23yrs) No children
CHRISTOPHER MARSHALL (B-1897 D-1917 WW1 Age 19yrs) No children.
Rose Evelyn (B-1898)
Jessie Lilian (B-1901)
Florence Hester (B-1903)
Un-Named female (I call her Elizabeth B-1905 D-1905)
Beatrice (B-1905 D-1905)TWINS Died at or shortly after birth.
Emily Eliza (B-1906)
Clarice MAtilda (B-1907)
ALBERT EDWARD MARSHALL (B-1910 D-1910)
LIONAL CHARLES MARSHALL (B-1910 D-1910) Twins died age 6 weeks.
Doreen Adelaide (B-1914)
REGINALD VERDUN PHILIP MARSHALL (B-1916 D-1942 WW2 Age 26yrs.)
REGINALD V P MARSAHLL- M- AGNES ELEANOR GRIFFITHS Abt 1936?
He died in 1942 leaving 2 children one of which was male.
CHRISTOPHER S J MARSHALL born in the 1930s
He had two sons only one of which married and had a son who also had a young son but sadly this child died recently bringing an end to this male line.
Q) I would like help to find out Who "Jonas" the father of Robert the Shoe Maker was, did he have Bothers?, and did Robert the shoe maker have brothers? If so:(Another MARSHALL LINE?) Why did Robert the shoe makers first wife Anne, son Robert and daughter Matilda die so close to each other. Was there an accident? Disease? What happened to young WILLIAM EVAN MARSHALL? Did he survive, grow up to marry and have children-? (Another possible MARSHALL line?)
Q) Robert the shoe maker and his second wife Eliza had two sons Robert and Charles, Why didn't they become Master shoe makers like their father? Did Charles have any boys from either of his marriages to Edith or Mary Rose Smith? ( Could there be a live MARSHALL line from Charles?)
Q) Robert and ELiza's Son Robert had 13 children with Matilda NASH.
Most of them appear on the 1911 Census. MATILDA was educated as she filled in the census. She listed all her children at the time as 11. 7 living and 4 dead. The dead included 2 sets of twins. Girls born in 1905 and the twin boys Albert and Lionel born in 1910. The last 2 children did not appear on the census as they were born in 1914 and 1916.
Does anyone know anything more about the shoe maker in Huntley the family were there a long time.
Thanks
Griffin-lady
Marshall => Martial ??
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Thursday, February 21, 2013, 22:22 (4288 days ago) @ Griffin-lady
Hi Griffin-Lady,
welcome back to the forum, thanks for your detailed / helpfull post, you have clearly been very busy already ! :-).
Re Jonas Marshall c late 1700s I also tried searching via the LatterDay Saints site and this has thrownup an unusual spelling variant that you may not have considered thus far, I know I wouldn't have. It does appear within this site's FoD PRs but is not flagged using Soundex, namely MARTIAL etc.
Searching these variations may help extend your lines ?
The relevant PRs within this site's database are:
1714 MARTIALL Elizabeth Baptism Westbury on Severn More detail
1717 MARTIALL Zachariah Baptism Westbury on Severn More detail
1718 MARTIALL Mary Baptism Westbury on Severn More detail
1720 MARTIALL Elizabeth Baptism Westbury on Severn More detail
1722 MARTIALL John Baptism Westbury on Severn More detail
1722 MARTIALL Thomas Baptism Westbury on Severn More detail
1726 MARTIALL Thomas Baptism Westbury on Severn More detail
1733 MARTIALL not stated Baptism Westbury on Severn More detail
1737 MARTIALL Sarah Baptism Westbury on Severn More detail
1720 MARTIAL Mary Burial Westbury on Severn More detail
1724 MARTIAL Thomas Burial Westbury on Severn More detail
1728 MARTIAL Anne Burial Westbury on Severn More detail
1731 MARTIAL Elizabeth Burial Westbury on Severn More detail
1737 MARTIAL Rebecka Burial Westbury on Severn More detail
1682 MARTEAL William Burial Lydney More detail
1720 MARTIALL Joseph Marriage Westbury on Severn More detail
1726 MARTIALL William Marriage Westbury on Severn More detail
1733 MARTIALL John Marriage Westbury on Severn More detail
1750 MARTIAL Mary Marriage Dymock More detail
Admittedly a little out of the Huntley locality but it may perhaps help a little ?
Robert Marshall - Huntley
by m p griffiths , Thursday, February 21, 2013, 22:29 (4288 days ago) @ Griffin-lady
There are a number of Public Members Trees on Ancestry
re: Jonas MARSHALL
The father's name on 'trees' is James MARSHALL - 1770-1836 and Betty (Elizabeth) GITTENS - 1771-1867 (copy of register entries on trees) James buried at Huntley 8 February 1836
Robert MARSHAL's (just one L) baptism given as 5 May 1811 and is on FOD records for Huntley
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James MARSHALL's Copy Will is also on this Public Members Tree and mentions family names including his son Robert. whom he left £5. James left houses, land etc.
Wife: Elizabeth
Sons: Thomas, John, Charles, Richard
Daughter: Elizabeth GIDDINGS, wife of John GIDDINGS
Grandson: James MARSHALL
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1841 Census, Huntley
Elizabeth MARSHALL - 70 Independent
Charles - 45
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This particular tree has many copy documentation/photographs of graves ... etc and goes back to Thomas MARSHALL 1648 - 1716 (Longhope) and Mary ROW (1653-1724)
Robert Marshall - Huntley b1811
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Thursday, February 21, 2013, 22:35 (4288 days ago) @ m p griffiths
In addition to this FoD website, what looks like your Robert's Christening is on LDS as:
Robt. Marshal, "England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
name: Robt. Marshal
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 05 May 1811
baptism/christening place: Huntley, Gloucester, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: James Marshal
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Elizth.
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I01879-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 991288
reference number: yr 1776-1812
So I suspect his father was indeed James and Jonas is perhaps a transcript error.
Altho sometimes a laborious website to search, it is very good at throwing up spelling variations and near-miss=>possible-hits, and free too.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NYQM-7J1
Robert Marshall - Huntley
by Griffin-lady , Saturday, June 08, 2013, 18:39 (4181 days ago) @ Griffin-lady
MARSHALL
I am hoping that someone will have an answer to my question. Robert Marshall was a master shoemaker. Not a cobbler; in Huntley.
Record_ID: 90021
Entry_Number: 777
What I want to find out is did he own the business or work in it? And what happened to it??? Why did he not leave the business or hs skill to his sons???? As would have been the usual thing in those days??? It would seem that the next generation down did not work in that field at all? In fact it would seem that thay were quite poor even though his occupation would seem to be one that would have indicated a relitively good standard of living for that time?
Griffin-lady
Robert Marshall - Huntley
by ChrisW , Saturday, June 08, 2013, 19:29 (4181 days ago) @ Griffin-lady
Hi
The Shoemakers & Cordwainers that I have come across all worked from home.
If Robert was poor he couldn't have been making much money out of it, so perhaps not surprising his sons sought employment elsewhere?
Robert Marshall - Huntley
by Griffin-lady , Saturday, June 08, 2013, 20:38 (4181 days ago) @ ChrisW
I am not sure if he was poor himself I presumed he was well off because of his skills but I think his son was just a Labourer so the skills did not pass down. I also thought Cordwainers worked on better shoe leather and did work for gentry etc quality workmanship? And so I presumed would have earned more than a cobbler?
Robert Marshall - Huntley
by ChrisW , Sunday, June 09, 2013, 12:07 (4180 days ago) @ Griffin-lady
I suppose it depended on how many customers he had? Perhaps his son was cack-handed and couldn't sew (like me!)
Robert Marshall - Huntley
by Griffin-lady , Sunday, June 09, 2013, 20:17 (4180 days ago) @ ChrisW
Very funny - but it is no help to me to know your no good at shoe making!
I was hoping for someone to tell me what happened ot that business and why it didn't pass down in the way other trades did?
Robert Marshall - Huntley shoemaker
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Sunday, June 09, 2013, 23:15 (4180 days ago) @ Griffin-lady
Hi again, welcome back.
After some searching I found the PR you mention, Robert's Baptism from 1867. Now I'm sure you've seen other related PRs or Census' saying otherwise, but this just states Robert's father Robert is a "shoemaker"...
Do you know Huntley ?. I have family there, even nowadays with considerable 1970s housing expansion it's still a small, quiet, one pub/one shop village.
http://www.francisfrith.com/huntley/photos/
In Robert's time apart from the local Manor House the vast majority of the relatively few inhabitants were relatively poor land workers spread over a large area. On that basis I see no reason to imagine it was capable of supporting a fulltime maker of high class shoes. Regardless of what Robert perhaps claimed to be, or indeed what his skills were, I think the vast bulk of his work was making & repairing working people's footwear, fairly simple work (for him) so not particularly well paying within a relatively poor area. He would perform this job long into old age, so not much scope for his son to also work locally in the same business. If he had called himself a cordwainer a few centuries earlier then yes he may well have been a top shoemaker
http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb910410/8c0af07e-3deb-45e7-9bf7-830a964ac76e-9.html
However by his time I suspect despite his skillset his Huntley setting meant he was "just" a fairly typical shoemaker/cobbler. I've seen plenty of examples of all sorts of workers claiming via a Census form to be higher up the social ladder than they were, including bottom-rung agricultural labourers claiming to be farmers and so on; many shoemakers called themselves cordwainer long after the true meaning of the word was irrelevant. Indeed, in modern times we find "bin-men" sometimes called "refuge collection engineers", for example. As someone who devoted eight years hard- studying while completing a shop-floor apprenticeship to qualify as an engineer I find this mis-use of a word annoying, and that's not in any way denigrating the important and unpleasant work the bin-men do.
I've spent years since childhood building increasingly complex & intricate engineering models & still have those skillsets now. Sadly, and in spite of my long efforts teaching him and his real enthusiasm trying to learn, my own son is indeed "cack-handed" and lacks the required dexterity, care, patience, co-ordination etc to produce hand-made work like mine. Sometimes such "skills" cannot be taught & don't run in the veins despite a father's best efforts at nurturing it.
Finally, you ask why the work wasn't passed down. I surmise that by his time, the late Victorian age, everything including shoes and working boots was available from factories, no doubt far cheaper mass-produced than individually handcrafted. I don't know when mail-order buying was available but I suspect that was possible in Huntley in Robert's day, with the close proximity of the GWR railway etc etc. If not, only a few miles away towns like Newent and Cinderford had more shoe & boot shops particularly for the colliers within the Forest, so maybe the occasional people in Huntley who needed new shoes shopped further afield, there were daily road carriers to Gloster even in those days. For a working man a pair of boots was a major investment, and once bought would be expected to last years, helped by covering the sole in hob nails; so yes Huntley might need one shoe repairer, but I cannot believe the village c1880 could support more than one at a time and just making topclass shoes even if he could. Many traditional old village jobs like this have been stopped by mass-production & fast transport links.
This photo of just one of the shoe shops in Cinderford, for example, shows a range of presumably factory-produced boots available c1900. In my youth in the 1970s Cinderford was a shopper's paradise compared to "little" Huntley, 100 years before the difference was greater still.
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/cinderford/pages/page_71.html
Of course, it's also possible your Robert's son just didnt want to spend his life cooped-up in a one-man workshop, maybe he yearned for fresh air and company, we just don't know ??.
I do hope this helps.
All the very best to you and yours, keep researching, Jeff.
ps sorry for not replying to your last email,
You asked what "Biddy" was short for; if you havent already Googled it then Biddy is apparently short for Bridget, does that fit ?.
Robert Marshall - Huntley
by Paul Andrews , Shropshire, England, Sunday, June 09, 2013, 22:38 (4180 days ago) @ Griffin-lady
Source: Gloucester Citizen Friday 10th February 1893
NEWENT
PETTY SESSIONS, THURSDAY.-Before Mr Andrew Knowles (in the chair), Major Thackwell and Mr F Ricardo.-Robert Marshall, Huntley, was charged with stealing a tame rabbit, value 2s., the property of Mrs Dobbs, of Huntley. Fined 10s, and costs, altogether 30s.
Source: Gloucester Journal Saturday 23 June 1888
COUNTY PETTY SESSIONS, SATURDAY.-Before Mr D Ancrum (in the chair), Capt. de Winton, Messers. T. Gambier Parry and J.D. Birchall.
Robert Marshall, of Huntley, was charged with stealing at the parish of Churcham, [and found guilty] on the 13th inst., one collar and a front and one collar and a pocket handkerchief, the property of Robert Hooper. Sent to hard labour for ten days.
The above may refer to Robert Marshall born c1868 the son of Robert Marshall 1812-1899 and Eliza Harper.
For information:
Record_ID: 28967
Entry_Number: 68
Year: 1860
Month: Mar
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: MARSHALL
Grooms_Forenames: Robert
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: widower
Grooms_Occupation: shoemaker
Grooms_Residence: Huntley
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: MARSHALL
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Jonas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: labourer
Brides_Surname: HARPER
Brides_Forenames: Eliza
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Huntley
Brides_Fathers_Surname: HARPER
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: carpenter
Licence_or_Banns: [not stated]
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Job Wilkes
Witness_2: Mary Ann Wilks
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Daniel Capper rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P184 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 35
Parish_Chapel: Huntley
Christopher MARSHALL 1896 - 1917 Huntley R I P
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MARSHALL, C
Rank:Private
Service No:31455
Date of Death:27/07/1917
Regiment/Service:Worcestershire Regiment 3rd Bn.
Grave Reference IV. A. 42.
Cemetery BOULOGNE EASTERN CEMETERY
1901
Robert Marshall abt 1868 Hontley, Gloucestershire, England Head Newent, Gloucestershire
Matilda Marshall abt 1874 Tibberton, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newent, Gloucestershire
Robert Geo Marshall abt 1895 Tibberton, Gloucestershire, England Son Newent, Gloucestershire
Cristopher Marshall abt 1897 Honley, Gloucestershire, England Son Newent, Gloucestershire
Rose Evelyn Marshall abt 1898 Honley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newent, Gloucestershire
Jessie Lilian Marshall abt 1900 Tibberton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newent, Gloucestershire
Year: 1896
Month: Nov
Day: 22
Parents_Surname: MARSHALL
Child_Forenames: Christopher
Fathers_Forenames: Robert
Mothers_Forenames: Matilda
Mothers_Surname: [not stated]
Residence: Huntley
Occupation: labourer
Officiating_Minister: R C Jenner curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P184 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 52
Parish_Chapel: Huntley
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Robert George MARSHALL 1895 - 1918 Tibberton R I P
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MARSHALL, R G
Rank:GunnerService No:253737
Date of Death: 09/10/1918
Regiment/Service:Royal Field Artillery "C" Bty. 317th Bde.
Grave ReferenceI. B. 36.
Cemetery BEAULENCOURT BRITISH CEMETERY, LIGNY-THILLOY
1901
Robert Marshall abt 1868 Hontley, Gloucestershire, England Head Newent, Gloucestershire
Matilda Marshall abt 1874 Tibberton, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newent, Gloucestershire
Robert Geo Marshall abt 1895 Tibberton, Gloucestershire, England Son Newent, Gloucestershire
Cristopher Marshall abt 1897 Honley, Gloucestershire, England Son Newent, Gloucestershire
Rose Evelyn Marshall abt 1898 Honley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newent, Gloucestershire
Jessie Lilian Marshall abt 1900 Tibberton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newent, Gloucestershire
Year: 1895
Month: Mar
Day: 31
Parents_Surname: MARSHALL
Child_Forenames: Robert Large
Fathers_Forenames: Robert
Mothers_Forenames: Matilda
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Huntley
Occupation: labourer
Officiating_Minister: W S Naylor curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: In this record a forename was not clear so the best guess was given
Register_Reference: P184 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 50
Parish_Chapel: Huntley
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James MARSHALL 1814 - 1885 Huntley
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Year: 1814
Month: May
Day: 22
Parents_Surname: MARSHALL
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Huntley
Occupation: mason
Officiating_Minister: W Beale cur of Newent
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P184 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 2
Parish_Chapel: Huntley
1841
Thomas Marshal abt 1766 Gloucestershire, England Huntley, Gloucestershire
James Marshal abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Huntley, Gloucestershire
Ester Marshal abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Huntley, Gloucestershire
Year: 1843
Month: Feb
Day: 5
Grooms_Surname: MARSHALL
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: farmer
Grooms_Residence: Huntley
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: MARSHALL
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: farmer
Brides_Surname: MORSE
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation: servant
Brides_Residence: Huntley
Brides_Fathers_Surname: PHILLIPS
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: blacksmith
Licence_or_Banns: [not stated]
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Charles Marshall
Witness_2: Mary Marshall x
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Daniel Capper rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P184 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 10
Parish_Chapel: Huntley
1851
Ames Marshall abt 1815 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Head Huntley, Gloucestershire
Ann Marshall abt 1824 Blaisdon, Gloucestershire, England Wife Huntley, Gloucestershire
Sarah Marshall abt 1846 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Huntley, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Marshall abt 1847 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Huntley, Gloucestershire
James Marshall abt 1850 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley, Gloucestershire
1861
James Marshall abt 1815 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Head Huntley, Gloucestershire
Ann Marshall abt 1824 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Huntley, Gloucestershire
Sarah Marshall Jabt 1846 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Huntley, Gloucestershire
James Marshall Jabt 1850 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley, Gloucestershire
Charles Marshall abt 1855 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley, Gloucestershire
Hester Marshall abt 1858 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Huntley, Gloucestershire
1871
James Marshall 57
Ann Marshall 48
James Marshall 21
Charles Marshall 16
Ester Marshall 13
Helen Marshall 7
1881
James Marshall abt 1815 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Head Huntley, Gloucestershire
Ann Marshall abt 1824 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Huntley, Gloucestershire
James Marshall abt 1850 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley, Gloucestershire
Charles Marshall abt 1855 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley, Gloucestershire
Ester Marshall abt 1858 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Huntley, Gloucestershire
Ellen Marshall abt 1864 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Huntley, Gloucestershire
Year: 1885
Month: Jan
Day: 30
Surname: MARSHALL
Forenames: James
Residence: Huntley Hill
Age_at_death: 70
Officiating_Minister: Henry Miles Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: 18416
Page_No: 90
Parish_Chapel: Huntley
1891
James Marshall abt 1851 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Head Longhope, Gloucestershire
Sarah Marshall abt 1852 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Longhope, Gloucestershire
Henry James Marshall abt 1888 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Son Longhope, Gloucestershire
Martha Ellen Marshall abt 1890 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Longhope, Gloucestershire
1901
James Marshall abt 1851 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Head Blaisden, Gloucestershire
Sarah A Marshall abt 1851 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Wife Blaisden, Gloucestershire
Henry J Marshall abt 1888 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Son Blaisden, Gloucestershire
Martha E Marshall abt 1891 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Blaisden, Gloucestershire
1911 Nottwood Hill, Blaisdon, Longhope, Glos
James Marshall 61
Sarah Marshall 62
James Marshall 23
Ellen Marshall 20
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