Mary Ann Brain d 1853 (or 1865) (General)

by moad @, Thursday, February 28, 2013, 11:04 (4281 days ago)

I have noticed a possible inconsistency between the memorial inscriptions section and the parish records section of the site.

Ruardean Congregational Memorial Inscriptions

http://www.forest-of-dean.net/ruardean-congregational/

BRAIN Mary Ann 1865 36 View Image
BRAIN Thomas 1867 57 Interrred in Mitcheldean View Image

The image transcription is consistent with this but the image itself is not decipherable.

The only Mary Ann Brain in the "parish register" (Information obtained from gravestone) is.

Record_ID: 302821
Entry_Number:
Year: 1853
Month: Feb
Day: 5
Surname: BRAIN
Forenames: Mary Ann
Residence:
Age_at_death: 36
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Information obtained from gravestone
Register_Reference:
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean Congregational
Soundex: B650

The entry for Thomas is consistent with the inscription.

Record_ID: 302833
Entry_Number:
Year: 1865
Month: Sep
Day: 15
Surname: BRAIN
Forenames: Thomas
Residence:
Age_at_death: 57
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Information obtained from gravestone
Register_Reference:
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean Congregational
Soundex: B650

I believe Mary Ann to be my wife's 4G Aunt Mary Anne nee Bennett christened 4 Jul 1817 Drybrook daughter of James Bennett and Anne Toomey.

Does any one have knowledge of this Thomas Brain's (b ca 1810) parents?

BRAIN/BENNETT

by m p griffiths @, Thursday, February 28, 2013, 11:21 (4281 days ago) @ moad

Gloucestershirebdm

BRAIN - mother's maiden name BENNETT

Birtha Hannah Sophia - 1846, Forest of Dean, Westbury on Severn **
Elizabeth - 1849 - ditto
Elizabeth Ann - 1868 - ditto
Ernest Bennett - 1871 - ditto
Jane - 1866 - ditto
Noah Joseph - 1849 - ditto **
Rhoda Lucinda - 1863 - ditto
Tom - 1862 - ditto
William - Cheltenham
William Blanch - 1843 - Forest of Dean, Westbury on Severn

1851 Census, Herefordshire, Hope Mansell

Crown Inn

BRAIN

Thomas - 46 - Coal Proprietor, born Gloucestershire Ruardean
Mary Ann - 35, born ditto
Alfred James - 17 - born Herefordshire, Hope Mansell
Ann Tommy - 15 - born ditto
William Edward - 17 - born ditto
Bertha Hannah Sophia - 6 **
Martha Hannah Sophia - 6 - born Gloucestershire East Dean
John David- 3 - born Herefordshire, Hope Mansell
Noale Joseph - 2 - born Gloucestershire East Dean **
Arthur Blanch - 9 months, born Herefordshire Hope Mansell
James BRAIN - BROTHER - unmarried - 55 - Farmer, born Gloucestershire, Ruardean
Mary Ann MARFELL - Servant - 15 - born Glos. East Dean

BRAIN/BENNETT

by moad @, Thursday, February 28, 2013, 11:44 (4281 days ago) @ m p griffiths

Thanks for that. I guess James could then be


Record_ID: 55694
Entry_Number:
Year: 1795
Month: May
Day: 26
Parents_Surname: BRAIN
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: J H BEESTON - minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: BTs have Hanah
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 25
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
Soundex: B650


Which would mean that Thomas is:


Record_ID: 58735
Entry_Number: 31
Year: 1806
Month: Jun
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: BRAIN
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Jn HORLICK
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean Congregational
Soundex: B650

Thomas BRAIN 1806 Ruardean

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, February 28, 2013, 11:49 (4281 days ago) @ moad

Thanks for that. I guess James could then be


Record_ID: 55694
Entry_Number:
Year: 1795
Month: May
Day: 26
Parents_Surname: BRAIN
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: J H BEESTON - minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: BTs have Hanah
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 25
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
Soundex: B650


Which would mean that Thomas is:


Record_ID: 58735
Entry_Number: 31
Year: 1806
Month: Jun
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: BRAIN
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Jn HORLICK
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean Congregational
Soundex: B650

remarries after Mary Ann's death


Neither PR matches the transcription of the headstone :-(


Year: 1865
Month: Sep
Day: 15
Surname: BRAIN
Forenames: Thomas
Residence:
Age_at_death: 57
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Information obtained from gravestone
Register_Reference:
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean Congregational

1861 Crown at Hawthorns
Thomas Brain abt 1808 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
Sarah Ann Brain abt 1820 Withington, Herefordshire, England Wife Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
James Albert Brain abt 1840 Hope Mansell, Herefordshire, England Son Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
Charles Cornelius Brain T abt 1844 Hope Mansell, Herefordshire, England Son Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
Bertha Hannah Brain abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
John Davis Brain abt 1848 Hope Mansell, Herefordshire, England Son Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
Noah Joseph Brain abt 1849 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
Arthur Blanch Brain abt 1850 Hope Mansell, Herefordshire, England Son Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
Joseph Paul Brain Tabt 1852 Hope Mansell, Herefordshire, England Son Hope Mansell, Herefordshire


Year: 1858
Month: Dec
Day: 18
Grooms_Surname: BRAIN
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: Full
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Farmer
Grooms_Residence: Hope Mansell Herefordshire
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Brain
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Farmer
Brides_Surname: TYLER
Brides_Forenames: Sarah Ann
Brides_Age: Full
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: 3 Rotunda Strand Cheltenham
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Smith
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Ruzh
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Sadler
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Alfred James Brain
Witness_2: Rebekah Finley[?]
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William J Pollock Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P78/1 IN 1/39
Page_Number: 47
Parish_Chapel: Cheltenham

Year: 1853
Month: Feb
Day: 5
Surname: BRAIN
Forenames: Mary Ann
Residence:
Age_at_death: 36
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Information obtained from gravestone
Register_Reference:
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean Congregational

1851
Thomas Brain abt 1807 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
Mary Ann Brain abt 1816 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Hope Mansell, Herefordshire

--
Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

BRAIN/BENNETT (off Ancestry Public Members Tree)

by m p griffiths @, Thursday, February 28, 2013, 11:55 (4281 days ago) @ moad

1841 Census, Hope Mansell

Hawthorns

BRAIN

Thos - 30
Mary - 25
A J - 7
Ann T - 6
Wm E - 4
Jas Albert - 15
James BRAIN - 48 - Farmer

Mary Ann Brain d 1853 (or 1865)

by jimashton @, Friday, March 01, 2013, 16:22 (4280 days ago) @ moad

Hi Moad

I think your question regarding the parents of Thomas Brain 1806 has been answered, it is as shown James Brain baptised 1 Jan 1769 & Hannah Blanch 1774. They were married 10 Nov 1794 Drybrook. Her parents being Samuel Blanch 1744 & Esther, married 30 Sep 1766 Newland, he being the son of William Blanch & Mary. My interest here is that Hannah Blanch 1774 had a sister Elizabeth Blanch 1788 who married my GGGG Uncle James Marfell 1794.

James Brain 1769 was my 1st cousin 6 times removed, one of the 14 children of Christopher Brain 1725/1799 & Ruth 1728/1796. Christopher Brain 1725/1799 was the one of the 9 children of my GGGGGG Grandparents Giles Brain 1686/1749 & Joan Mutlow 1691/1761 married 9 Feb 1714 Hope Mansell. I have little detail for Giles Brain 1686 except that his parents were "probably" Giles Brain & Elinor.

Joan Mutlow was the daughter of Richard Mutlow & Mary. Amongst her 6 siblings she had a brother James 1689. If you examine the Lych Gate at Ruardean Church there is a stone endorsed .......May Ye 10th 1743 James Mutlow & Hendry Heane Churchwardens. I have tried to establish if this is the same James Mutlow in my Famiuly Tree without success.

You will note from the census data provided in this thread that Thomas Brain & Mary Ann nee Bennett had a daughter Anne Tommey Brain (which links nicely to your mention of "Aunt Mary Anne nee Bennett christened 4 Jul 1817 Drybrook daughter of James Bennett and Anne Toomey" Anne Tommey Brain born 20 Dec 1835 baptised 1 Jan 1836 married Cornelius Brain 1830 on 6 Feb 1855 Hope Mansell, they had a son Francis William Thomas Brain (later "Sir" Francis)

See thread :
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=12804#p37216
including :
An extract from some of my notes for this obviously very clever man :

Francis William Thomas (Frank) Brain had been associated with the use of electric floodlights on the Severn Bridge in 1879 where they had been used to enable construction work to continue at night to make the best use of the tides. After use on the bridge, the apparatus, consisting of a couple of powerful lamps supplied by a Gramme machine, was re-erected at Trafalgar on the surface to light the colliery yard, and a football match was even played at night! Frank Brain was also connected with the Electric Blasting Apparatus Company who made fuses for simultaneous shot firing underground, and had buildings close to Trafalgar Colliery.
Electricity was also used at Trafalgar when the first underground pumping plant was installed in December 1882. The installation at Trafalgar was the first recorded use of electric power in mines. The equipment consisted of a Gramme machine on the surface driven by a steam engine and a Siemens dynamo used as a 11/2 horse power motor belted to a pump underground. The Gramme machine still exists today, preserved in the National Museum of Wales in Cardiff. It attained such success that three additional plants were erected in May 1887 and these did the larger part of the pumping.

Now perhaps you can help me. I have 263 Bennett's in my Family Tree, including 22 James Bennett. Can you provide more details regarding the James Bennett & Anne Toomey who you say are the parents of Mary Ann Bennet 1817.

Jim Ashton

Mary Ann Brain d 1853 (or 1865)

by moad @, Saturday, March 02, 2013, 10:11 (4279 days ago) @ jimashton

My wife is descended from Elizabeth Bennett (1819) sister of Mary Ann (1817) and another Elizabeth (1818-1819)

details of the Bennett sisters as follows

Record_ID: 12547
Entry_Number: 1
Year: 1817
Month: Jul
Day: 4
Parents_Surname: BENNETT
Child_Forenames: Mary Anne
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Quabbs
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: [illegible]
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: Not sure place of residence
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 1
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: B530

Record_ID: 12589
Entry_Number: 43
Year: 1818
Month: Aug
Day: 30
Parents_Surname: BENNETT
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Quabbs
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: H. Berkin
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 6
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: B530

Record_ID: 69083
Entry_Number: 16
Year: 1819
Month: Aug
Day: 22
Surname: BENNETT
Forenames: Elizabeth
Residence: Quabbs
Age_at_death: 2 Months
Officiating_Minister: H.Berkin
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Burial details 2nd row. Any abbreviated forenames have been expanded to the full name.
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/11
Page_No: 2
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: B530

Record_ID: 12745
Entry_Number: 199
Year: 1820
Month: Dec
Day: 31
Parents_Surname: BENNETT
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Quabbs
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: R. Strong
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 25
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: B530

Elizabeth Bennett married Matthew Stephens - Llanfihangel Tor-Y-Mynydd, Monmouthshire - 4 Apr 1836

They immigrated to Australia in 1853.

Further deails of Matthew and Elizabeth are on my web site

http://graememoad.com/web/Matthew_Stephens/Matthew_Stephens.html

Elizabeth Stephens (nee Bennett) death certificate (2 Jul 1876, Warrnambool, Vic) gives her parents as James Bennett and Ann nee Toomey

We believe the marriage of james Bennett and Ann Toomey to be

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NL3X-9YK

name: James Bennett
birth date:
birthplace:
age:
spouse's name: Ann Tommy
spouse's birth date:
spouse's birthplace:
spouse's age:
event date: 05 Oct 1815
event place: Bridstow,Hereford,England
father's name:
mother's name:
spouse's father's name:
spouse's mother's name:
race:
marital status:
previous wife's name:
spouse's race:
spouse's marital status:
spouse's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M13862-1
system origin: England-ODM
gs film number: 992638

We have not seen this record but this suggests James Bennet was a widower at the time of his marriage to Ann Toomey.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BENNETT-UK/2001-02/0982194210

From: Cathie Bennett <cbennett@key.net.au>
Subject: [BENNETT-UK] James BENNETT/Forest of Dean
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:43:30 +1100


Hi Everyone

My James BENNETT is from the parish of Ruardean in the Forest of Dean,
Gloucestershire. His marriage entry stated that he was a widower when he
married Ann TOOMEY/TOMMY at Bridstow, Herefordshire, 5th October 1815. I
only know of one child, Elizabeth, christened 31st December 1820, Holy
Trinity, Drybrook, Gloucestershire. Elizabeth married Matthew STEPHENS
of Clearwell, Glos. I have no information on who James' parents were,
nor do I know who his first wife was (still delving into the parish
registers).

Best wishes
Cathie Bennett (surname acquired by marriage :)

The marriage date above is constant with the death date of his first wife Sarah earlier in 2015.
We have come across the following on this James Bennett

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/20115/pages/1784/page.pdf


PURSUANT to a Decree of the High Court of Chan-
eery, made in a cause Jones against Brain, the creditors
of James Bennett, late of Ruardean, in the county of Glou-
cester, Coal Proprietor, deceased (who died on or about the
28th day of March 1841), are forthwith to come in and
prove their debts before Andrew Henry Lynch, Esq.
one of the Masters of the said Court, at his chambers,
in Southampton-buildings, Chancery-lane, London, or in
default thereof they will be excluded the benefit of the said Decree.

and are wondering whether the will of James Bennett might be accessed somewhere

We also found an obiuary of James Bennett

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=lGQdAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA555&img=1&zoom=3&...

At Drybrook, in the Forest of Dean,
aged 57, Mr. James Bennett. As an ex-
tensive proprietor of collieries and other
works in the forest, which, commencing
at the early period of twelve years of age,
be carried on with considerable enterprise
and perseverance, be provided empioy-
ment for several hundred men and boys.
He Was attended to his last home in the
family vault at Mitcheldean church by
upwards of700 foresters.

We have not found the death of Ann Bennett (nee Toomey) but think she may have predeceased james.

Is there a transcription of the Bennett vault in Mitcheldean?

Mary Ann Brain d 1853 (or 1865)

by jimashton @, Saturday, March 02, 2013, 14:22 (4279 days ago) @ moad

Hi Again Moad

I note from your posting that the James Bennett that married Ann Toomey died in March 1841 aged 57 - i.e. born 1784.

Amongst my James Bennett's is James Bennett baptised 4 Jul 1783 Mitcheldean, son of Thomas Bennett 1747/1822 & Jane Cowles 1756/1822.

This James Bennet married Sarah Marfell baptised 6 Oct 1780 Weston under Penyard. They had 3 children, the last of whom Sophia Bennett was born 1812. I know nothing of this child after her baptism, although I do have details of the marriage and descendants of James Bennet & Sarah Marfells other 2 children - Timothy 1803 who married Beata Hale 1805/1837, one child Jane 1834 & Jane Bennett 1806 who married George Jones 1807/1859.

1841 Census Mitcheldean
Timothy Bennett abt 1804 Gloucestershire, Malster ( Widow of Beata)
Thomas Bennett abt 1781 Gloucestershire, Uncle
Jane Bennett abt 1834 Gloucestershire,


1851 Census
Timothy Bernett 47 Widower
Jane Bernett 16
Thomas Bernett 70 Uncle
Hannah Davis 57
Elizabeth Moles 22
Sarah Noice 19

1841 Census Hope Mansell
George Jones abt 1811 Herefordshire,
Jane Jones abt 1811 Herefordshire,

1851 Census Hope Mansell
George Jones abt 1808 Mitcheldean, Head
Jane Jones abt 1806 Mitcheldean, Wife
James Charles Jones abt 1838 Hope Mansell, Son
William Bennett Jones abt 1836 Hope Mansell,Son

I have details of their descendants, including the fact that George Jones & Jane nee Bennett's great grand daughter Violet Dorothy Florence Jones 1901/1990 married back into the Marfell family marrying Jonathon Marfell 1904/1935 and as members of the Marfell Family, I have a copy of the marriage certificate and gravestone image.

Now we come to the more interesting bit for you. "A" Sarah Bennett died 6 Jul 1814 so this could be the Sarah that James marriewd before marrying Ann Toomey :

Record_ID: 310971
Entry_Number:
Year: 1814
Month: Jul
Day: 6
Surname: BENNETT
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: The Morse
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: MF1255
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean Congregational

Perhaps the clincher - albeit from my own records - I have recorded James Bennett as being buried 31 March 1841 Mitheldean.

James Bennett baptised 4 Jul 1783 Mitcheldean, son of Thomas Bennett 1747/1822 & Jane Cowles 1756/1822, had a brother Thomas Bennett baptised 24 Sept 1780 Mitcheldean, buried 21 Oct 1781. His will has further interesting info - note the reference to Quabbs House:

BENNETT Thomas - 18 January 1862
The Will with two Codicils of Thomas BENNETT late of the Parish of Hope Mansell in the County of Hereford Landowner and Coal Proprietor deceased who died 16 October 1861 at Hope Mansell aforesaid was proved at Hereford by the oaths of Francis Hamp ADAMS of the Town of Ross in the said County Banker and Cornelius BRAIN of the Quabbs House near Dryrook in the Forest of Dean in the County of Gloucester Coal Proprietor for the Executors. Effects under £1,000

Whilst my main area of interest is the Marfell family, I follow the siblings and parents of spouses, sometimes I go too far, but in most cases this additional information proves invaluable, with the degree of inter-marrying in the Forest. In this case I can tell you that The parents of Thomas Bennett 1747 (see above) were James Bennett 1718/1747 and Elizabeth Hazel 1711/1778. They married 24 Apr 1740 and had 5 children, one of whom James 1742 married Elizabeth Annetts 16 Jun 1758 and they had 5 children, including Jane 1771/1810 who married one of my GGGG Grandfathers John Marfell 1762/1829.

I am 95% sure that the James Bennett 1783 who married Sarah Marfell went on to marry Ann Toomey. Luckily my Family Tree software has the ability to merge entire families and their descendants,so quoting from Star Trek - in my Family Tree - "I have made it so"

Jim Ashton

Sarah Bennet nee Marfell (1st wife of James)

by moad @, Saturday, March 02, 2013, 22:12 (4278 days ago) @ jimashton

re Sarah Bennett.

There seem at least two contenders which meet our criteria.

The one you mention

Record_ID: 310971
Entry_Number:
Year: 1814
Month: Jul
Day: 6
Surname: BENNETT
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: The Morse
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: MF1255
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean Congregational
Soundex: B530

The other, which I currently favour is.

Record_ID: 29552
Entry_Number: 32
Year: 1815
Month: Apr
Day: 19
Surname: BENNETT
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: Forest of Dean
Age_at_death: 34
Officiating_Minister: John Newport Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [not sta
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 220 in 1/9
Page_No: 4
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean
Soundex: B530

One notes that James was buried in the Bennett vault in Mitcheldean. It is possible that Sarah would also have been buried there. The age at death is more or less consistent.

Hannah Blanch (1774)

by moad @, Saturday, March 02, 2013, 22:29 (4278 days ago) @ jimashton

Jim,

The Hannah Blanch, daughter of Samuel and Esther, was baptised 1782

Record_ID: 55197
Entry_Number:
Year: 1782
Month: Oct
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: BLANCH
Child_Forenames: Hannah
Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Mothers_Forenames: Esther
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: J H BEESTON - minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 66
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
Soundex: B452

She could have been baptised at age 8, but given the progression of children baptised by Samuel and Esther I am not sure this is likely.

There is also a Hannah Blanch baptised Newland 1781 (Blanch rather than Blance in BT)

Record_ID: 247052
Entry_Number:
Year: 1781
Month: Aug
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: BLANCE
Child_Forenames: Hannah
Fathers_Forenames: Tho[ma]s
Mothers_Forenames: Eliz
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Coleford
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: BT's Blanch
Register_Reference: P227 IN 4/1
Page_Number: 368
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: B452

She also seems too young if baptised at birth. The one we are interested in, married in 1794 as was bearing children by 1795.

Record_ID: 61870
Entry_Number: 492
Year: 1794
Month: Nov
Day: 10
Grooms_Surname: BRAINE
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: BLANCH
Brides_Forenames: Hannah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Elizabeth Mathews
Witness_2: Thos Bond
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Thos Thomas curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 715
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: B650
Soundex_Bride: B452

Is their other data to give the birth date of Hannah as 1774 and which indicates her parents?

Hannah Blanch (1774)

by jimashton @, Sunday, March 03, 2013, 13:33 (4278 days ago) @ moad

Hi Again Moad

Regarding your first posting and the 2 Sarah Bennett's burials. I think on reflection the latter burial is the most likeky as it was in Mitcheldean, the same as James Bennett.

Regarding Esther Blanch, see the information I obtained from the LDS :

FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles
Family Group Record
Search Results | Download
Husband
James Brain
Birth: About 1771 Ruardean, Gloucester, England
Wife
Hannah Brain
Birth: 09 JAN 1774 Ruardean, Gloucester, England
Children
1. James Brain
Christening: 26 MAY 1795 Ruardean, Gloucester, England
2. Joseph Brain
Christening: 07 AUG 1796 Ruardean, Gloucester, England
3. John Brain
Christening: 24 DEC 1797 Ruardean, Gloucester, England
4. Christopher Brain
Christening: 07 APR 1799 Ruardean, Gloucester, England
5. Ephrain Brain
Christening: 01 FEB 1801 Ruardean, Gloucester, England
6. William Brain
Christening: 23 JAN 1803 Ruardean, Gloucester, England
7. Camilus Brain
Christening: 22 NOV 1804 Ruardean, Gloucester, England
8. Thomas Brain
Christening: 29 JUN 1806 Ruardean, Gloucester, England
9. George Brain
Christening: 10 APR 1808 Ruardean, Gloucester, England
10. Ann Brain
Christening: 31 DEC 1809 Ruardean, Gloucester, England
11. Lydia Brain
Christening: 08 SEP 1811 Ruardean, Gloucester, England
12. Hannah Brain
Christening: 11 APR 1813 Ruardean, Gloucester, England
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Jim Ashton

Hannah Blanch (1774)

by moad @, Monday, March 04, 2013, 10:46 (4277 days ago) @ jimashton

Thanks Jim,

The 1774 date makes a lot more sense than 1782. I have now found the same data in the current IGI.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/MGS2-K67

but I don't see how we now decide who her parents were. I still think Samuel and Esther seem unlikely.

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