Good evening.

I have just joined - although I've been following family history elsewhere around the country. I'm now trying to follow a thread that my late father had started on, based upon memoirs from my grandmother. But she had delusions of grandeur so of course the records and the memoirs don't always match!

In c1927 she went to stay with relatives THOMAS WILLIAM GREENWAY and ANNICE BLANCHE GREENWAY in Drybrook.

Annice was a midwife - and that's how she shows up on the censuses - though my grandmother claimed she was a matron, and describes her as some sort of local hero, well-known in the area. She died in Nov 1929 and my grandmother talked of some sort of memorial or commemoration at Hope Mansel church or hospital. I've found the parish burial record on this for Annie (sic) Greenway on 7 Nov, so that fits - but is there really a memorial, I wonder. Does anyone know?

And I'd love some insight into the address, as I'm finding it hard to track the places online (I'm in Scotland.)
In 1911 their address is just 'The Hawthorns, Drybrook'
In 1927 when my grandmother stayed, she said their address was Holly Cottage
In 1929, on the burial record, the address is 'Star Beach, Drybrook'

Can anyone help me unpick how close these places are, and what sort of homes they would have been at the time. I notice there's a Greenway Farm campsite at Drybrook - coincidence?

Any local insight would be very gratefully received.

Kind regards

cloviscat

Looking at Public Members Tree on Ancestry: Annice Blanche was nee CALE

? FoD records

Is this Thomas GREENWAY age 73 - burial at Hope Mansel 25 April 1935

residence: Berrington Hospital Cross Houses, Salop

Hi there - she is Annice Blanche Cale - I've got her nailed on Ancestry and through a few family documents.

That death record seems the most likely, but all my grandmother could say was that he survived his wife and 'moved to the Midlands'. I have his approx year of birth as 1862, so the age would fit...

Cheers

cloviscat

And I'd love some insight into the address, as I'm finding it hard to track the places online (I'm in Scotland.)

This Drybrook is the one between Mitcheldean and Ruardean

In 1911 their address is just 'The Hawthorns, Drybrook'

The Hawthorns is an area just to the north of the village centre, on the way to the Euroclydon and Hope Mansell

In 1927 when my grandmother stayed, she said their address was Holly Cottage

Holly Cottage, Hope Mansell , on Star Beech Hill on Ruardean to Howle Hill Road

here's how it is referred to today
Holly Cottage, Starve Beech, Drybrook, GL17 9BJ
the third property heading south east from the (A) marker
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en-GB&rlz=1T4GGHP_en-GBGB464GB465&q=GL17+9BJ&a...

In 1929, on the burial record, the address is 'Star Beach, Drybrook'

Name: Annice Greenway
Birth Date: abt 1865
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1929
Age at Death: 64
Registration district: Ross
Inferred County: Herefordshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 493

Year: 1929
Month: Nov
Day: 7
Surname: GREENWAY
Forenames: Annie
Residence: Star Beach Hope Mansell
Age_at_death: 64
Officiating_Minister: Montageu Scott B A Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: 0
Notes:
Register_Reference: CK25/2
Page_No: 81
Parish_Chapel: Hope Mansel

near Cinderberry Wood
Star Beech, Hope Mansell
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26149273@N04/5333535613/
http://www.geograph.org.uk/showmap.php?gridref=SO6218

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Hi there - she is Annice Blanche Cale - I've got her nailed on Ancestry and through a few family documents.

That death record seems the most likely, but all my grandmother could say was that he survived his wife and 'moved to the Midlands'. I have his approx year of birth as 1862, so the age would fit...

Cheers

cloviscat

1851
William Greenaway a abt 1811 Curbridge, Oxfordshire, England Head Witney, Oxfordshire
Martha Greenaway abt 1813 Leafield, Oxfordshire, England Wife Witney, Oxfordshire
Mary Ann Greenaway abt 1834 Curbridge, Oxfordshire, England Daughter Witney, Oxfordshire
Elizabeth Greenaway abt 1836 Curbridge, Oxfordshire, England Daughter Witney, Oxfordshire
John Greenaway abt 1839 Curbridge, Oxfordshire, England Son Witney, Oxfordshire
Levia Greenaway abt 1842 Curbridge, Oxfordshire, England Daughter Witney, Oxfordshire
James Greenaway abt 1844 Brize Norton, Oxfordshire, England Son Witney, Oxfordshire
David Greenaway abt 1846 Curbridge, Oxfordshire, England Son Witney, Oxfordshire
Emanuel Greenaway abt 1849 Curbridge, Oxfordshire, England Son Witney, Oxfordshire
Jane Greenaway abt 1850 Curbridge, Oxfordshire, England Daughter Witney, Oxfordshire

1861
William Greenaway abt 1811 Corbridge, Oxfordshire, England Head Witney, Oxfordshire
Martha Greenaway abt 1815 Corbridge, Oxfordshire, England Wife Witney, Oxfordshire
James Greenaway abt 1843 Corbridge, Oxfordshire, England Son Witney, Oxfordshire
David Greenaway abt 1846 Corbridge, Oxfordshire, England Son Witney, Oxfordshire
Emanuel Greenaway abt 1849 Corbridge, Oxfordshire, England Son Witney, Oxfordshire
Levia Beachum abt 1841 Corbridge, Oxfordshire, England Lodger Witney, Oxfordshire
Joseph Beachum Levia abt 1861 Corbridge, Oxfordshire, England Son Witney, Oxfordshire

Name: Thomas William Greenaway
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1861
Registration district: Witney
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 586

1881
Emanuel Greenway abt 1848 Curbridge, Oxfordshire, England Head Brockworth, Gloucestershire
Emma Greenway abt 1844 Ross, Hereford, England Wife Brockworth, Gloucestershire
James Henry Phillips abt 1868 Gloucestershire, England Step Son Brockworth, Gloucestershire
Emily Maria Phillips abt 1871 Gloucestershire, England Brockworth, Gloucestershire
William Greenway abt 1877 Allensmore, Hereford, England Son Brockworth, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Greenway abt 1880 Bridstow, Hereford, England Daughter Brockworth, Gloucestershire
Thomas Greenway abt 1862 Brize Norton, Oxfordshire, England Nephew Brockworth, Gloucestershire

Name: Annice Blanch Cale & Thomas William Greenway
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1887
Registration district: Ross
Inferred County: Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 931

1891 Barton House Monmouth
Thomas Greewny abt 1861 Oxfordshire, England Head Monmouth, Monmouthshire Gen Labourer
Annie Greewny abt 1865 Staffordshire, England Wife Monmouth, Monmouthshire Nurse ?
George Greewny abt 1889 Herefordshire, England Son Monmouth, Monmouthshire

1901 To the North of Drybrook village centre
Thomas Greenway abt 1862 Bridgenorth Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Annie Greenway abt 1865 Blackheath, Staffordshire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Greenway abt 1889 S Wales, Llanarth, Monmouthshire Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Earnest Greenway abt 1892 S Wales, Llanarth, Monmouthshire Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1911 The Hawthorns, Drybrook, Glos
Thomas Greenaway 42 Oxfordshire Coal Miner
Annie Greenaway 45 Blackheath Staffs Nurse Midwife
Thomas Day 32
Ada Amy Smith 24

Name: Thomas Greenway
Birth Date: abt 1862
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1935
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Atcham
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 688

Cross Houses Hospital
Previous name(s) Berrington Hospital; County Council Hospital
Address Cross Houses Atcham Shrewsbury SY5 6JN

Year: 1935
Month: Apr
Day: 25
Surname: GREENWAY
Forenames: Thomas
Residence: Berrington Hospital Cross Houses Salop.{Shropshire}
Age_at_death: 73
Officiating_Minister: W Gandy Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: CK25/2
Page_No: 84
Parish_Chapel: Hope Mansel

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Thank you so much for the prompt replies!

Check on all those records - but it's always nice to get a second opinion. The 'Levia Greenway' in one of those gives a tenuous link to the fabulously rich Beecham's pharmecautical empire, but no money for us, alas...

And special thanks for the geography info. Is it possible to say at this remove: how 'posh' was it? It looks pretty idyllic for a miner...

And can anyone tell me about the hospital?

Thanks again

cloviscat

And can anyone tell me about the hospital?

In Hope Mansell / Drybrook ?? no.

Possibly the Workhouse / hospital in Ross ?

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=18248

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And can anyone tell me about the hospital?
In Hope Mansell / Drybrook ?? no.
Possibly the Workhouse / hospital in Ross ?
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=18248

I've found the piece of paper with my father's notes from the conversation.

"Died in Drybrook - possible Hope Mansel Hospital - outskirts of Forest of Dean. Had been a Governor of Hospital (possible plaque)... Was Hospital Matron."

But you've kundly been able to confirm for me that there is no Hope Mansel Hospital - I'd suspected that. But the workhouse in Ross seems to have been still a workhouse proper until in closed in 1930. Certainly on the 1911 census its residents are inmates - elderly 'imbeciles', etc. And on the 1911 census Annice is described as a midwife working at home on her own account - It seems a big leap from being a middle-aged home midwife to a hospital governor of a hospital I can't find for certain.

So at the moment I'm not inclined to give much weight to the governor/matron/plaque business without a bit more proof. If it is true, I would imagine there would have been some sort of notice in the local paper? And a grave with an extant stone, perhaps...

cloviscat

The Drybrook "GP" not too far away was :-
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=29931

So the nearest Hospital might have been the Dilke- which was founded about the right time for Annice to have had an impact....

I have an L H BOLTON down as Matron in 1926.

Following the death of the Forest's Member of Parliament Sir Charles Dilke in 1911, fund raising commenced to establish a local community hospital. The need for such a facility within the Forest had long been recognised as, prior to its completion, injured miners or other members of the public were taken to Gloucester Infirmary for hospital treatment, often with fatal results en route.

The Dilke Memorial Hospital was built as a permanent memorial to the popular M.P. on a site near to the old Lightmoor Colliery close to Cinderford.

The hospital first opened its doors in 1923 and was run for many years from funds raised by public subscription paid by local people.

"The Dilke", as it is popularly known, now nestles in the heart of the Forest of Dean, and provides a range of traditional community hospital services to the local communities.

http://www.e-radiography.net/history/dilke_bangara.htm

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If you search the Inquests section Louisa Helen is mention many times as the Matron at the Dilke from about 1924

Name: Louisa H Bolton
Birth Date: abt 1873
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1960
Age at Death: 87
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 342

1901
Louisa H Bolton abt 1873 Handsworth, Lancashire, England Boarder Islington, London Hospital Nurse

1891
Herbert H Bolton abt 1844 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Aston, Warwickshire
Jane Bolton abt 1848 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Aston, Warwickshire
Eveline J Bolton abt 1869 Aston, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston, Warwickshire
Louisa H Bolton abt 1873 Aston, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston, Warwickshire
Lizzie K Bolton abt 1875 Aston, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston, Warwickshire
Nellie F Bolton abt 1885 Aston, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston, Warwickshire
Bertha E Bolton abt 1889 Aston, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston, Warwickshire
Rowland C Bolton abt 1888 Aston, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston, Warwickshire

Name: Louisa Helen Bolton
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1873
Registration district: Aston
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 372

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Ooo-ooh!

That does sound promising!

Local know-how is always worth seeking out - thank you!

:-)

cloviscat

Hi CC, welcome to the Forum !
You may have already found them by now, but there are a few websites offering old photos of the Forest, usually from period postcards.
This site is a commercial one if you wish to buy prints, their Old Photos may be found within this "Bygone Forest" Index among their various webpages.
http://www.forestprints.co.uk/bygone_forest_of_dean.htm

From that index under Drybrook there are a few showing the Hawthorns part of Drybrook.
http://www.forestprints.co.uk/drybrook_the_hawthorns_v2.htm

Oops, should have looked on this site first, here's a clearer image of this same area albeit from a different vantage point, and a few more too of course.
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/drybrook/pages/page_35.html

Hope this helps a little.

I had a look around Hope Mansell churchyard this morning, it is small. There was no grave memorial to be seen for Thomas William and Annice Blanche GREENWAY. There is no visible memorial in the church dedicated to Annice Blanche GREENWAY. However there is a memorial stained glass window dedicated to "Nurse Edith 12th May 1936".
I have uploaded a photo of it to the Photo Gallery. There is no indication as to Nurse Edith's surname.

Thank you so much for doing this for me. I really appreciate it. I'm sanguine about the lack of a stone - been doing family history for long enough! And I did wonder who might have arranged it - all the children had moved away and lost track, one had actually absconded overseas...
And no-one in the family with Edith as a name, but clealry a community which appreciates its mainstays.
Thanks again
cloviscat

'However, there is a memorial stained glass window dedicated to Nurse Edith - 12 May 1936'

Think this is Edith GEE

FoD records

Baptism at Mitcheldean - 3 July 1864

Edith GEE

father: Thomas (Gentleman)

mother: Agnes

residence: Hope Mansell

Burial at Hope Mansel - 18 May 1936

Edith GEE

residence: 158 Queen Alexandria Mansions Street, Pancras, London age 72

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England & Wales, National probate Calendar

GEE Edith of 158 Queen Alexandra Mansions St. Pancras, Middlesex, Spinster - died 12 May 1936
Probate YORK 26 June to Henry CAYLEY architect and Charles Irwin COCKIN, Solicitor.

Effects £8,845 15s. 9d.

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1911 Census, 24 South Morrison Buildings, Commercial Road, London S

Edith GEE - age 46 - Single, Parish Nurse, Parish Church Worker - born Hope Mansel, Herefordshire

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Not sure about the 1901 census. There is an Edith GEE - age 36 - born Horsley, Northumberland - listed working as a Nurse in Cambridgeshire at the Addenbrooke's Hospital. Above her is listed, Constance Mary ROWE - age 26, born Mitcheldean, Glos (where Edith was christened) - is this a mix-up??

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1891 Census, Herefordshire, Hope Mansel

Beechwood

GEE

Thomas - 79 - Living on own means, born London St Martins (buried at HM - 8 June 1905 aged 93) ****
Agnes - 66 - born Surrey, Godalming
Edith - 26 - born Herefordshire, Hope Mansel
Mary A - 24 - ditto

1881 Census, Herefordshire, Hope Mansel

Beechwood

GEE

Thomas - 69 - Annuitant, born Middx. London
Agnes - 57 - born Surrey, Godalming
Dora - 27 - all born Hope Mansel
Constancy - 25
Claud V - 19 - Scholar at Oxford : on 1901 Census in Durham Hylton with family, Clergyman - Church of Clergy England
Edith - 16
Mary A - 14

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Probate Ancestry

GEE Thomas of "Beechwood" Hope Mansel Herefordshire, died 4 June 1905. Probate, LONDON 5 July to Frederick Arthur Scott, Solicitor, Hermann Anderson Haines, Gentleman and Constance Alma GEE spinster. Effects £26,101 19s 5d.
Resworn £27,909 9d. 5d.