I have William Morgan (abt 1797-1887) and Hannah Trigg (abt 1794-1879). I do not have their marriage date and I am uncertain about their children, except these:

Louisa Mary Morgan, 11 May 1826 (Bap. 15 May 1826) in Mitcheldean
Fanny Eleanor Morgan, Apr 1838 (Bap. 16 Apr 1838 in Ross on Wye.

On the 1841 Census at Brook House, Clifford (Hay), I have:
William age 40, Hannah age 40, Mary & Thomas age 10 and John age 4.

BUT there are also William & Hannah Morgan living with James (67) and Ann (72) Trigg and Robert Trigg (40). This may be the correct William and Hannah?

Also on the 1841 Census but at Church Street, Monmouth (Town) I have the two Morgan sisters, Louisa age 15 and Fanny age 3. With them are John Parsons 20 and Eliza Jones 15. (John later appears as a witness at Louisa's marriage.)

On the 1851 Census, Fanny, age 13, is with William and Hannah Morgan at Broad Street, Ross.
By this time, Louisa is married to Thomas Davey and they live at Brook Cottage, Ross, with their first three children: Emily, William & Charles.

I would appreciate finding more decisive data. Perhaps another descendant could help?

Fanny Eleanor Morgan eventually married Robert Michael Card and my husband was a descendant of theirs.

Here is census info for the benefit of Forum Members without access to census returns.

1861 Census, Hereford, Ross
Ducew Street

William MORGAN - 62, Farmer & Grocer, born Hereford, Ross **
Anna MORGAN - 66 - born Glos. Mitcheldean
John HART - 54, Lodger, Slaughterman, Hereford, Ross

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FoD Records - Baptism at Ross on Wye - 3 March 1799 - William MORGAN, parents William & Eleanor

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1851 Census, Broad Street, Ross

William MORGAN - 50 - born Ross, Herefordshire
Hannah MORGAN - 51 - born Mitcheldean
Fanny MORGAN, daughter - 13 - born Ross
John HART - 43 - Butcher, born Ross
Richard BAILEY - 72 - Ostler, born Ross
Joseph BICKERTON - 43 - born Linton, Herefordshire
John PARSONS - 32 - married ** Relieving Officer - born Gloucester (c1819) = with the two MORGAN sisters Louisa age 15 and Fanny aged 3 on the 1841 census at Church Street, Monmouth)

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On Gloucestershire Baptism Index = there is ...

baptism at St Catherine's Workhouse, Glos St. Catherine

John PARSONS, ils - Hannah (Servant) - 10 January 1819 (see John PARSONS' marriage below - father given as : William MORGAN)

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1841 Census, Church Street, Monmouth

John PARSONS - 20 - not born in County
Louisa MORGAN - 15 - ditto
Fanny MORGAN - 3 - ditto

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Gloucestershire Marriage Index does have

a William MORGAN (of Littleworth) marrying a Hannah PARSONS at Hempsted - 8 August 1821 by banns

Mary PARSONS married Nathaniel VOYCE - 25 February 1819 at Hempsted (not sure of the VOYCE/ALLEN connection??

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There is information of Gloucestershire Rootsweb 15 April 2000- and I quote

'Hempsted Marriages - there is something odd about this parish. It was Brian Frith who told me (Alan Merryweather) that Hempstead was unusual - probably some kind of centre for clandestine type marriages as he often found people coming from far away to marry there. This was why he did a complete transcript (1812-1837 from memory) incl witnesses. This was/is in the GLS RO. There are pecularities such as few family witnesses; and a couple marrying standing in as witnesses for the next pair to marry etc etc'

?

Baptism at Thornbury St Mary - 3 July 1822

Eliza, parents : William (labourer) & Hannah

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FoD records - have PARSONS baptisms at Mitcheldean

Hannah - 18 May 1794 - parents William & Hannah
Hannah - 12 November 1797 - parents William & Hannah

(there doesn't appear to be any more children of this couple)

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Looking at the 1871 Census when Hannah MORGAN aged 76, born Mitcheldean, is living with her daughter, Eleanor CARD - a Charles PARSON unmarried aged 21, Accountant, born Town of Monmouth

1861 Census, Herefordshire, Upton Bishop

PARSONS

John - 42, Relieving Officer & Reg. of B & D. born Gloucester
Sarah - 49 - born Monmouth
Fanny - 19 - Drapers Assistant
George - 17 - Pupil Teacher
John Wm - 13
Charles - 12
Jane ALLEN - adopted - 4 born Glos. Mitcheldean ****

Baptisms on Fod Records - at Monmouth, parents John (Gunsmith) & Hannah

Fanny - 5 June 1842
George - 27 October 1843
John William - 30 May 1847
Thomas & Charles - 7 April 1849

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and here we have.....

Marriage at Monmouth - 27 July 1841

John PARSONS, - Bachelor, Gunsmith of this Parish

father: William MORGAN, Gardener

married

Sarah HARRIS

Spinster, Milliner of this Parish

father: William HARRIS, shoemaker

by licence.

Witnesses: Susannah HARRIS, (illegible) BURGHOPE

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Baptism at Mitcheldean - 30 November 1856

Jane ALLEN, parents : Joseph (labourer) & Marrianne (GlosBDM - mother's maiden name: JONES)

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1871 Census, Herefordshire, Ross

Wolverhampton Terrace

William MORGAN - 73 - retired farmer, born Herefordshire, Ross
Jane ALLEN - 14, General Domestic Servant, born Glos. Mitcheldean

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Joseph ALLEN married Mary Ann JONES, Glos. St Michael - 1843

ALLEN - mother's maiden name : JONES - Westbury on Severn, Newnham

William John - 1855 *
Jane - 1856
Fanny - 1860 (buried 7 April 1861 - aged 6 months, Mitcheldean)

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There are burials at Mitcheldean of Mary Ann ALLEN - aged 39 - 28 November 1860

and a

Joseph ALLEN - 12 June 1863 aged 41

and 1861 Census, High Street, Mitcheldean

Joseph ALLEN - 38 - Widower, Miner, born Newent
Mary L VOICE - 23, Housekeeper, born Glos.
Mary A ALLEN - daughter - 8 - born Mon. Tredgar
William J ALLEN - son - 7 - born Glos. Mitcheldean

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On the 1911 census, there is a William John ALLEN aged 56, born Mitcheldean, Glos working in Southall, Middx, with wife Charlotte - aged 59, born St. Johns Wood, Middx - married 33 years - 3 children born alive, 3 living.

On the 1871 Census, there is a William ALLEN born Mitcheldean, on Devon Vessels

If, as suggested, from previous reply, Hempsted was a Parish for enlopements/clandestine type marriages etc. These are other marriages from people outside the area from Glos Marriage Index

Jeremiah HOPKINS of Tirley married Mary STAIGHT - 18 April 1807

John BARNES of Tirley married Susannah WHEELER - 13 July 1809

Thomas ADAMS of Newnham married Mary JENKINS - 20 February 1811

Samuel EDWARDS of Dursley married Elizabeth ROE - 22 June 1822

Cornelius MARFELL of Hope Mansell married Abia WILCE - 7 August 1833

George KNOWLES of Newnham married Elizabeth BRYAN (Wid) - 27 July 1836

Wikipedia : Clandestine Marriages

http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_Act_1753

Oh my!! Thank you so much, M P Griffiths, for your rapid and data-filled reply.

It is obvious, at a quick glance, that these people led complicated and intertwined lives. I have some of the facts but will now work on all you have told me.

If I have the right William Morgan, he spend several years in the Army. I came across his discharge papers on the National Archives, which seem to apply to "our" William:

"William Morgan born Ross, Herefordshire. Served in 95th Foot Regiment, 3rd Foot Guards. Discharged aged 40."

The actual papers show his birthplace as "St John's, in or near the Town of Hereford"
and his service as from 1791 to 1802 in the 2nd Dragoon Guards, and 1803 to 1813 in the 3rd Foot Guards. He was discharged (papers signed) 20 January 1813 as "Old and Worn Out". Since he served his King, George III, it would be interesting to find where he served - - but first I must sort out all these people!

My connection is through Fanny Eleanor Morgan who married Robert Michael Card. The Card descendants have been well-researched and we are now in touch with English, Canadian, New Zealand and Uruguayan branches.

I think I need to draw up a time-line to better understand the Morgans!!

Thanks again - these on-line Forums are so very helpful. Janice

To M P Griffiths:

As I work my way through the various relationships of William Morgan I am beginning to think that the Hannah I have as his wife (Hannah Trigg, daughter of James and Ann Trigg) could be wrong!

On the 1841 Census, William (40) and Hannah (47) Morgan are living with James (67) and Ann Trigg (72) and Robert Trigg (40).

I know that the earlier Census records can be somewhat inaccurate in both spelling and ages recorded, but the above was what I based my Morgan/Trigg relationship on.

I am getting totally confused now!! Perhaps it was Hannah PARSONS, not Hannah TRIGG, who was William's wife!! I would be grateful if you could work through this with me!

I am wondering now about the military record of a William Morgan - he was supposed to be 40 when he was discharged in 1813. But again, he could hardly have been 40 again in 1841, so he might not be "our" William! Maybe his father???

Sincerely - Janice

William MORGAN of Ross, Herefordshire.

1871 Census age 73
1861 Census age 62
1851 Census age 50

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FoD records

Baptism at Ross on Wye 3 March 1799

parents: William & Eleanor

(can't see any other baptisms for children of this couple)

Marriage at Ross on Wye - 24 May 1790

William MORGAN married Eleanor GEORGE

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The birth certificate of Fanny Eleanor MORGAN - born April 1838 at Ross on Wye - could obviously give the correct mother's maiden name, although Fanny does carry the middle name of Eleanor which is promising.

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Birth: March Qtr 1838
MORGAN Fanny Eleanor
District: Ross
Volume: 26
Page: 195

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Fod Record

Burial at Ross on Wye - 21 April 1824

Eleanor MORGAN of Aulton brook in this Parish, age 58 years c1766

wife of William MORGAN

and ?

Fod Records

Burial at Ross on Wye 10 October 1842

William MORGAN age 78 c1763

residence: Alton Street

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Therefore if the William MORGAN discharged in 1813 was aged 40 - birth date = 1773

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1841 Census, Herefordshire, Ross on Wye
Alton Street

William MORGAN - 75, Gardener*- born in County
James MORGAN - 30 - Gardener
Hannah MORGAN - 30
William HARRIS -15

(William MORGAN c1799 was also a Gardener)